Sinn Fein to block bid to honour journalist Veronica at N7 flyover

Mr.McLovin · 13-02-2015 11:46am #1

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/sinn-fein-to-block-bid-to-honour-journalist-veronica-at-n7-flyover-30988391.html

Sinn Féin representatives on South Dublin County Council have objected to the proposal, with one party councillor warning that the move would "create a hierarchy of victims" of gangland crime.

There had been hopes that the new N7 flyover at Newlands Cross would be named after the murdered mother-of-one in time for her 20-year anniversary on June 26 next year.

Opinions?

Nodin · 13-02-2015 11:48am

Mr.McLovin wrote: »

Opinions?

This will turn into a Shinner bashing festival.

anncoates · 13-02-2015 11:49am

Hierarchy of Victims is a phrase that was just born to be enunciated in a squeaky, nasal Belfast accent.

Guy:Incognito · 13-02-2015 11:49am

Mr.McLovin wrote: »

Opinions?

This will turn in to a shinner "how dare you say anything against the party" love in.

Mitch Connor · 13-02-2015 11:50am

There is already a momement to her in the grounds of Dublin Castle and her name is also added to the Freedom Forum Journalists Memorial.

I think naming a bridge at the location of her murder would be both unneeded and crass.

Son Of A Vidic · 13-02-2015 11:51am

Nodin wrote: »

This will turn into a Shinner bashing festival.

AH has been overdue one lately.

Nodin · 13-02-2015 11:52am

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

AH has been overdue one lately.

I suppose the muslims deserve a day off.

godtabh · 13-02-2015 11:52am

Mitch Connor wrote: »

I think naming a bridge at the location of her murder would be both unneeded and crass.

Her family are ok with it. What's the harm?

Grayson · 13-02-2015 11:53am

Mr.McLovin wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/sinn-fein-to-block-bid-to-honour-journalist-veronica-at-n7-flyover-30988391.html

Opinions?

It's a kind of bollocks answer. It's saying that you can't honour someone who was killed by a criminal because other people were killed by criminals. As tragic as every life lost is I doubt most of the others were journalists who had dedicated their lives to unearthing the illegal activities of criminals.

What's the real reason they want to stop it? Did the IRA take care of a number of journalists in the north?

reprise · 13-02-2015 11:54am

Mr.McLovin wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/sinn-fein-to-block-bid-to-honour-journalist-veronica-at-n7-flyover-30988391.html

Opinions?

Shinnerbots to the rescue.

Nodin · 13-02-2015 11:54am

Grayson wrote: »

What's the real reason they want to stop it? Did the IRA take care of a number of journalists in the north?

Ne'er a one.

Sociopath2 · 13-02-2015 11:55am

Nodin wrote: »

This will turn into a Shinner bashing festival.

Sometimes they deserve to be bashed. They aren't above criticism in everyone's eyes.

eamonnq · 13-02-2015 11:56am

I would have no objection to it being named after her, but I can see where the objection is coming from.

Before long we could have friends and relations of every 'innocent' victim looking to have something named after them.

RomanKnows · 13-02-2015 11:57am

Gerry Adams recently made a 'joke' about holding at gunpoint the editor of the Sindo, the same paper that Veronica Guerin worked for.
So we know the calibre of people we are dealing with it here. A party that has a complete lack of moral compass from its leader.

RomanKnows · 13-02-2015 11:57am

Gerry Adams recently made a 'joke' about holding at gunpoint the editor of the Sindo, the same paper that Veronica Guerin worked for.
So we know the calibre of people we are dealing with it here. A party that has a complete lack of moral compass from its leader.

reprise · 13-02-2015 11:58am

Sociopath2 wrote: »

Sometimes they deserve to be bashed. They aren't above criticism in everyone's eyes.

There aren't enough bridges in the country to name all Sinn Feins victims.

anncoates · 13-02-2015 11:58am

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

This will turn in to a shinner "how dare you say anything against the party" love in.

It definitely seems to be guerin up to that alright.

Nodin · 13-02-2015 11:58am

RomanKnows wrote: »

Gerry Adams recently made a 'joke' about holding at gunpoint the editor of the Sindo, the same paper that Veronica Guerin worked for.
So we know the calibre of people we are dealing with it here. A party that has a complete lack of moral compass from its leader.

And we're off.....

BoJack Horseman · 13-02-2015 11:59am

RomanKnows wrote: »

Gerry Adams recently made a 'joke' about holding at gunpoint the editor of the Sindo, the same paper that Veronica Guerin worked for.
So we know the calibre of people we are dealing with it here. A party that has a complete lack of moral compass from its leader.

If you dare question the 'cult of Jurry' again, Nodin will kick you square in the balls!

shruikan2553 · 13-02-2015 11:59am

Shinnerbots and blueshirts, ASSEMBLE!

In terms of the actualy topic instead of my polictical party daddy can bet up yours, I see no real reason to name it after someone or to be against it, if people want to do it then go for it, Im sure theres plenty of other things that can be named after people if they want.

Viper_JB · 13-02-2015 12:00pm

Nodin wrote: »

This will turn into a Shinner bashing festival.

Ah in fairness for this they deserve it, along with the abstaining in the fatal fetal abnormalities bill...turning out to be as bad as FF and FG and they haven't gotten any power yet.

The Backwards Man · 13-02-2015 12:00pm

I don't see why it shouldn't be named after her, and I'm no SF lover, but I find the way the paper is using her name in this article a wee bit distasteful.

RomanKnows · 13-02-2015 12:00pm

Nodin wrote: »

And we're off.....

Well he did say it. I'd take any threat from a man like Adams with absolute seriousness.

Sociopath2 · 13-02-2015 12:01pm

Nodin wrote: »

I suppose the muslims deserve a day off.

How about you give an opinion on the actual topic of the thread, rather than racing to defend insults that haven't been made or chasing phantom Islamophobes?

Nodin · 13-02-2015 12:02pm

RomanKnows wrote: »

Well he did say it. I'd take any threat from a man like Adams with absolute seriousness.

Course, they've only put down arms over a decade ago and what better way to carry out a sly hit than announce it at a dinner.

Sociopath2 · 13-02-2015 12:03pm

Considering the service she rendered the country and the price she paid for it, it would be appropriate I feel.

Dr. Mantis Toboggan · 13-02-2015 12:09pm

anncoates wrote: »

Hierarchy of Victims is a phrase that was just born to be enunciated in a squeaky, nasal Belfast accent.

With sitchy-ation thrown in for good measure too.

RomanKnows · 13-02-2015 12:09pm

Nodin wrote: »

Course, they've only put down arms over a decade ago and what better way to carry out a sly hit than announce it at a dinner.

He made a joke about holding a gun to the head of the editor of Ireland's biggest selling newspaper. This is the leader of a party who aspire to being in government. We need to shine a very bright torch into the darkened corners of SF. No other party leader in Europe would make such a joke at their own party fundraiser. It's disgraceful.

Dr. Mantis Toboggan · 13-02-2015 12:11pm

Nodin wrote: »

This will turn into a Shinner bashing festival.

Yes, obviously paid government shills doing all the bashing in a futile attempt to discredit the Great Leader.

Sociopath2 · 13-02-2015 12:13pm

Nodin wrote: »

Course, they've only put down arms over a decade ago and what better way to carry out a sly hit than announce it at a dinner.

If any other party leader had made it, it would have been in bad taste.

When you have a history of being involved in murder, it doesn't even approach being funny.

Chips Lovell · 13-02-2015 12:13pm

They should name the bridge after poor, oppressed Sinn Fein.

Nodin · 13-02-2015 12:13pm

RomanKnows wrote: »

He made a joke about holding a gun to the head of the editor of Ireland's biggest selling newspaper. This is the leader of a party who aspire to being in government. We need to shine a very bright torch into the darkened corners of SF. No other party leader in Europe would make such a joke at their own party fundraiser. It's disgraceful.

*yawn.

Ye know, it really is disappointing when, considering all the controversial things SF have been associated with over the years (the killing, the bombing) they go on about non-events.

I could say its disappointing people don't just discuss the actual current SF topic, but as stated in post 2, that wasn't going to happen.

Yamanoto · 13-02-2015 12:16pm

Nodin wrote: »

This will turn into a Shinner bashing festival.

You got in quick

Dr. Mantis Toboggan · 13-02-2015 12:17pm

Nodin wrote: »

*yawn.

Ye know, it really is disappointing when, considering all the controversial things SF have been associated with over the years (the killing, the bombing) they go on about non-events.

I could say its disappointing people don't just discuss the actual current SF topic, but as stated in post 2, that wasn't going to happen.

It's actually very relevant. Shows a lack of any sensitivity towards the families of the people that Sinn Fein/IRA murdered over the years. A disgusting remark.

Sociopath2 · 13-02-2015 12:17pm

Nodin wrote: »

*yawn.

Ye know, it really is disappointing when, considering all the controversial things SF have been associated with over the years (the killing, the bombing) they go on about non-events.

I could say its disappointing people don't just discuss the actual current SF topic, but as stated in post 2, that wasn't going to happen.

You won't discuss it yourself. You were the second post and you were straight in on the offensive, attacking posts that hadn't been made yet. It's almost like you want to derail the discussion.

I asked you several posts back for your opinion on the topic of the thread and you haven't replied. Care to give us your view? Or do you only engage to defend SF and Muslims from insults that haven't been given?

Son Of A Vidic · 13-02-2015 12:18pm

Sociopath2 wrote: »

How about you give an opinion on the actual topic of the thread, rather than racing to defend insults that haven't been made or chasing phantom Islamophobes?

Phantom Islamophobes? At one point, you couldn't step into the AH forum without falling over one.

Nodin · 13-02-2015 12:20pm

Sociopath2 wrote: »

You won't discuss it yourself. You were the second post and you were straight in on the offensive, attacking posts that hadn't been made yet.

But sure enough arrived all the same....its almost as if I'd seen that kind of thing before....spooky.

Sociopath2 wrote: »

I asked you several posts back for your opinion on the topic of the thread and you haven't replied. Care to give us your view?

I see his point about the hierarchy of victims but personally have no problem with the bridge being named after her.

Nodin · 13-02-2015 12:21pm

Yamanoto wrote: »

You got in quick

I was on standby till 12.

Sociopath2 · 13-02-2015 12:23pm

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

Phantom Islamophobes? At one point, you couldn't step into the AH forum without falling over one.

Nothing about it in this thread. Nodins first two posts had no relevance to the thread, just an instant attack on any of who would dare criticise SF and some pointless dig about Muslims.

Nodin · 13-02-2015 12:24pm

Sociopath2 wrote: »

Nothing about it in this thread. Nodins first two posts had no relevance to the thread, just an instant attack on any of who would dare criticise SF and some pointless dig about Muslims.

Jaysu yer very angry today. How many coffees have ye had?

Dr. Mantis Toboggan · 13-02-2015 12:26pm

Sociopath2 wrote: »

Nothing about it in this thread. Nodins first two posts had no relevance to the thread, just an instant attack on any of who would dare criticise SF and some pointless dig about Muslims.

They are above criticism, mainly because if you do criticize their policies, eg Mary Lou on the radio lately, they don't have an answer for you, so it's for the best if we don't critique.

Pie in the sky policy.

Sociopath2 · 13-02-2015 12:27pm

Nodin wrote: »

But sure enough arrived all the same....its almost as if I'd seen that kind of thing before....spooky.

I see his point about the hierarchy of victims but personally have no problem with the bridge being named after her.

In a thread about SF, especially on where posters disagree with their stance, there will be criticism of SF. It's the same with any party. It doesn't equal shinner bashing to anyone except those who blindly defend them at all costs.

To try to dismiss it as that is to show you're unable or unwilling to refute arguments you disagree with. Lazy frankly.

Dr. Mantis Toboggan · 13-02-2015 12:28pm

Sociopath2 wrote: »

In a thread about SF, especially on where posters disagree with their stance, there will be criticism of SF. It's the same with any party. It doesn't equal shinner bashing to anyone except those who blindly defend them at all costs.

To try to dismiss it as that is to show you're unable or unwilling to refute arguments you disagree with. Lazy frankly.

Dissent is not allowed.

Sociopath2 · 13-02-2015 12:30pm

Nodin wrote: »

Jaysu yer very angry today. How many coffees have ye had?

Like I said, unable or unwilling to refute what posters are saying so you have to resort to that.

I suppose you had to be badgered into giving an opinion on the topic of the thread so I shouldn't expect any better.

anncoates · 13-02-2015 12:31pm

Yamanoto wrote: »

You got in quick

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-clDgxKvdvcM/UFeokr9xlzI/AAAAAAAAHqo/uqLTO9GT83Q/s1600/323910_o.gif

:pac:

Nodin · 13-02-2015 12:31pm

Viper_JB wrote: »

Ah in fairness for this they deserve it, along with the abstaining in the fatal fetal abnormalities bill...turning out to be as bad as FF and FG and they haven't gotten any power yet.

That would be fair enough, tbh. Instead we usually get guff about 30 years ago, Gerrys stand up career and social snobbery.

Nodin · 13-02-2015 12:33pm

Sociopath2 wrote: »

Like I (.....................)better.

Must be that French stuff. It'll tear the bowels out of ye later.

Son Of A Vidic · 13-02-2015 12:34pm

Sociopath2 wrote: »

Nothing about it in this thread. Nodins first two posts had no relevance to the thread, just an instant attack on any of who would dare criticise SF and some pointless dig about Muslims.

No relevance to the thread? Nodin's initial post, was a simple observational comment about where this thread will likely end up. Since he's a long time member of Boards.ie, I assume he's likely seen it all before around here and is therefore well qualified and perfectly entitled to predict the likely outcome of this thread.

hmmm · 13-02-2015 12:36pm

It shows that SF in power will have to make decisions that not everyone will like. They've gotten away upto now with waiting and seeing which way the bandwagon is heading before jumping on it.

In saying that, the Patsy Gillespie bridge has a ring to it.

RomanKnows · 13-02-2015 12:37pm

This type of thing really doesn't surprise me. This is the same party who had one of their TD's drive to a prison to pick up the murderers of Jerry McCabe. The only people they commemorate after death are their comrades who died for the cause. Some of them killed while planting bombs designed to murder and maim civilians.

Dr. Mantis Toboggan · 13-02-2015 12:37pm

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

No relevance to the thread? Nodin's initial post, was a simple observational comment about where this thread will likely end up. Since he's a long time member of Boards.ie, I assume he's likely seen it all before round here and is therefore well qualified and perfectly entitled to predict the likely outcome of this thread.

Or is it because of a perceived persecution complex supporters of Sinn Fein have, because they are always under fire from people with coherent arguments about their policies and actions?

This ridiculous objection to the naming of a bridge being a gold plated case in point.

Very sensitive nipples.

Sinn Fein to block bid to honour journalist Veronica at N7 flyover

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