British dad smacks perv; perv dies

Roger Hassenforder · 10-02-2015 11:35am #1

Don't know how I'd react to finding pictures of my kids on a strangers ipad.
A beatdown would certainly be considered. This perv died as a result of one.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11401310/British-man-arrested-in-Spain-for-killing-paedophile-he-caught-filming-his-daughter.html

Deserved?
I'm not too upset by it TBH

jimgoose · 10-02-2015 11:38am

I'd say all is well under Heaven. :cool:

MarkR · 10-02-2015 11:44am

Article isn't very clear on whether the images of the child were innocent, or like the pervy ones he'd been arrested for previously. If it's pervy ones, give him a medal.

jungleman · 10-02-2015 11:46am

MarkR wrote: »

Article isn't very clear on whether the images of the child were innocent, or like the pervy ones he'd been arrested for previously. If it's pervy ones, give him a medal.

Can a guy who was found to have indecent images of children ever take an "innocent" photo of a child? I doubt it.

FTA69 · 10-02-2015 11:49am

Read this on the train this morning, it's a tragedy to be honest. The guy apparently was continually and brazenly recording a young child and refused to do so when asked. When the father saw he had amassed videos of his daughter he flipped out and punched the paedophile once.

I don't think anyone could safely say they weren't capable of doing the same had their young daughter been the child in question.

anncoates · 10-02-2015 11:49am

Too few facts to be applauding anybody from the looks of it. His previous conviction probably means he was up to no good though. Bit unfortunate for the guy to face murder charges now for a punch

jelenka · 10-02-2015 11:59am

For someone who was arrested for indecent images recently that perv obviously wouldn't stop and learn his lesson by continuing to take pictures of other children at a restaurant.
It was probably only a matter of time when this sick photography would not be enough and he would go further down the paedophilia route.
I don't believe that the father wanted to kill him, but he was right to stand up to the perv. I am sure any other father who loves their kids would do the same.
Now I don't defend killing the perv,but he deserved a punch in my opinion.

Little CuChulainn · 10-02-2015 12:02pm

The thing about it is, the father didn't know the guy had been arrested for indecent images. So he hit him solely on the basis he had recorded his daughter in a restaurant.

FTA69 · 10-02-2015 12:06pm

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

The thing about it is, the father didn't know the guy had been arrested for indecent images. So he hit him solely on the basis he had recorded his daughter in a restaurant.

Sounds fair. If I was out in a restaurant and some lad was recording my young daughter I'd get the hump as well. If I continually asked him to desist and he refused I'd be proper annoyed and if I later saw he had loads of images of my child on his iPad I'd be in a rage.

suicide_circus · 10-02-2015 12:10pm

Good night, sweet prince

jelenka · 10-02-2015 12:11pm

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

The thing about it is, the father didn't know the guy had been arrested for indecent images. So he hit him solely on the basis he had recorded his daughter in a restaurant.

Obviously we don't know the full story, but what if, while flicking through the photos he did see some indecent pictures.. Only a suggestion, but also 1 accidental photo is ok, but the guy was obviously noticed by the father and had continued to take pictures of his child. Father didn't just get up and punch him, he checked that he was indeed taking pictures of his daughter. Also it was only one punch, he didn't beat him up, just one punch that was fatal to the perv.

Fratton Fred · 10-02-2015 12:13pm

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

The thing about it is, the father didn't know the guy had been arrested for indecent images. So he hit him solely on the basis he had recorded his daughter in a restaurant.

He asked him to stop, which he didn't. The father then took his iPad, saw the videos and photos then turned and punched the guy.

I'm not sure I'd do anything different to be honest.

wes · 10-02-2015 12:26pm

Sounds like something any father would do, and it seems pretty clear that the intent was not to kill the guy. The father was just protecting his daughter.

jamesbere · 10-02-2015 12:31pm

Any father would of done what that man did, it was just unfortunate that the man died. He'll see jail time for it alright but any judge and jury should see common sense here and give a mild sentence. It must be very hard for the daughter

Roger Hassenforder · 10-02-2015 12:34pm

jamesbere wrote: »

Any father would of done what that man did, it was just unfortunate that the man died. He'll see jail time for it alright but any judge and jury should see common sense here and give a mild sentence. It must be very hard for the daughter

20 hours community service hopefully

crybaby · 10-02-2015 12:37pm

God the naivety of the restaurant owner thinking that someone taking pictures of random people at restaurants is normal behaviour

Be interesting to see how the case pans out, can't say I have an ounce of sympathy for the guy who died

Kiwi in IE · 10-02-2015 12:42pm

It is hugely unfortunate for the father that the man died. I certainly don't condone killing anyone, but is is perfectly clear that wasn't the father's intention, more of an unfortunate accident. He can't be deemed a risk to the public on the basis of this incident (except those who are sexually exploiting his young children), he does not need rehabilitation of any sort so what will a jail sentence achieve?

Oink · 10-02-2015 12:48pm

I will not rejoice in a man's death.

Having said that, can you imagine how many hands the father will have to shake on his way to jail? He will have purged his sentence before he even gets there...

Egginacup · 10-02-2015 12:50pm

jelenka wrote: »

Obviously we don't know the full story, but what if, while flicking through the photos he did see some indecent pictures.. Only a suggestion, but also 1 accidental photo is ok, but the guy was obviously noticed by the father and had continued to take pictures of his child. Father didn't just get up and punch him, he checked that he was indeed taking pictures of his daughter. Also it was only one punch, he didn't beat him up, just one punch that was fatal to the perv.

Well he killed somebody. In the process of being a protective father his daughter is now going to grow up without a father if he gets convicted of murder.
People are way too quick to take the law into their own hands and others are way too quick to gleefully cheer them on.

Yakult · 10-02-2015 12:56pm

Any time you punch someone in the face, you could kill them. This is very unfortunate for the father, but can't say I would not do the same in his position, might have smashed his iPad first tho.

animaal · 10-02-2015 1:56pm

Punching the guy was understandable, but wasn't going to achieve anything. What's the point in leaving the guy with a bloody nose and an iPad with a broken screen, from which he can probably still copy the pictures?

A better resolution would have been to spend the energy destroying the iPad fully, rather than hitting the guy. It also has the benefit that if the law comes after you, you're only on the hook for an a piece of equipment.

Little CuChulainn · 10-02-2015 2:00pm

animaal wrote: »

Punching the guy was understandable, but wasn't going to achieve anything. What's the point in leaving the guy with a bloody nose and an iPad with a broken screen, from which he can probably still copy the pictures?

A better resolution would have been to spend the energy destroying the iPad fully, rather than hitting the guy. It also has the benefit that if the law comes after you, you're only on the hook for an a piece of equipment.

Or just call the police.

spiralism · 10-02-2015 2:03pm

jamesbere wrote: »

Any father would of done what that man did, it was just unfortunate that the man died. He'll see jail time for it alright but any judge and jury should see common sense here and give a mild sentence. It must be very hard for the daughter

Murder though or manslaughter at the very least, likely the latter.. General principle of law is that if you deck someone and accidentally kill them, the law obviously takes it on the face of it: you killed somebody. Not sure what the law is on mandatory sentencing in Spain re: murder/manslaughter though.

efb · 10-02-2015 2:06pm

He can't be convicted of murder if there was no intent. Manslaughter with a plea bargain I reckon

Chemical Byrne · 10-02-2015 2:15pm

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

20 hours community service hopefully

I would consider his dispatch of a pedo creep to be an enormous service to the community.
The man should be given a medal.

In seriousness though, he handled it totally wrong. Get angry yes, but he should have called the Police. Violence solves nothing and in addition he presumably did it in from of his child - not exactly setting a good example for her is it?

Kiwi in IE wrote: »

It is hugely unfortunate for the father that the man died. I certainly don't condone killing anyone, but is is perfectly clear that wasn't the father's intention, more of an unfortunate accident. He can't be deemed a risk to the public on the basis of this incident (except those who are sexually exploiting his young children), he does not need rehabilitation of any sort so what will a jail sentence achieve?

I think he could do with an anger management programme. As I said, violence solves nothing and only leads to even more trouble. He should also be able to control his temper, especially in front of his child. It must have been very scary for her.
I wonder what the father's socioeceonomic background is...

animaal wrote: »

Punching the guy was understandable, but wasn't going to achieve anything. What's the point in leaving the guy with a bloody nose and an iPad with a broken screen, from which he can probably still copy the pictures?

A better resolution would have been to spend the energy destroying the iPad fully, rather than hitting the guy. It also has the benefit that if the law comes after you, you're only on the hook for an a piece of equipment.

Yeah, and what would that achieve either? Piss the perv off and, more importantly, it would DESTROY THE EVIDENCE. He should have had control over his temper and called the police who could prosecute him for perving.

Mesrine65 · 10-02-2015 2:19pm

Chemical Byrne wrote: »

I wonder what the father's socioeceonomic background is...

FFS :rolleyes:

zuber · 10-02-2015 2:19pm

Give him a medal

liam24 · 10-02-2015 2:26pm

It's amazing how people who are probably totally opposed to the death penalty, even for serial killers, thinks it's perfectly acceptable to live in a society where a man is beaten to death in a restaurant. I guess it's getting to the point where anybody can get away with murder as long as they put some child porn on the victim's computer.

Kiwi in IE · 10-02-2015 2:29pm

Chemical Byrne wrote: »

I think he could do with an anger management programme. As I said, violence solves nothing and only leads to even more trouble. He should also be able to control his temper, especially in front of his child. It must have been very scary for her.
I wonder what the father's socioeceonomic background is...

Yeah, and what would that achieve either? Piss the perv off and, more importantly, it would DESTROY THE EVIDENCE. He should have had control over his temper and called the police who could prosecute him for perving.

The unnecessary use of such vulgar language makes me wonder what your socioeconomic background is.

In all seriousness the top paragraph is one of the most pompous, patronising things I have read in a while! I don't know if your a parent or not, but maybe wait until are in this man's position before you prescribe him an anger management course.

suicide_circus · 10-02-2015 2:31pm

liam24 wrote: »

It's amazing how people who are probably totally opposed to the death penalty, even for serial killers, thinks it's perfectly acceptable to live in a society where a man is beaten to death in a restaurant. I guess it's getting to the point where anybody can get away with murder as long as they put some child porn on the victim's computer.

People understand a fathers reaction resulting in accidentally death. That doesn't mean they will think it is within the remit of the state to execute its citizens.

Kiwi in IE · 10-02-2015 2:32pm

liam24 wrote: »

It's amazing how people who are probably totally opposed to the death penalty, even for serial killers, thinks it's perfectly acceptable to live in a society where a man is beaten to death in a restaurant. I guess it's getting to the point where anybody can get away with murder as long as they put some child porn on the victim's computer.

According to reports he was not 'beaten to death' at all. It was one unfortunately ill placed, well earned punch which went horribly wrong.

liam24 · 10-02-2015 2:33pm

Kiwi in IE wrote: »

According to reports he was not 'beaten to death' at all. It was one unfortunately ill placed, well earned punch which went horribly wrong.

Translation: he was beaten to death.

liam24 · 10-02-2015 2:34pm

suicide_circus wrote: »

People understand a fathers reaction resulting in accidentally death. That doesn't mean they will think it is within the remit of the state to execute its citizens.

They should try to control their emotions and wonder what society would be like if their passions were put into practice.

Hoop66 · 10-02-2015 2:34pm

Take the iPad from him and call the police.

That's all that needed to be done. I understand that the guy doesn't want someone taking pictures of his daughter, but he's got himself into all sorts of trouble now. And his daughter has had to witness her father a) behaving violently, in fact killing someone and b) being arrested.

Larbre34 · 10-02-2015 2:37pm

Unfortunately this guy is bang to rights for Manslaughter. The offenders previous history has no bearing on the prosecution. Hopefully a Spanish jury will just refuse to convict.

Kiwi in IE · 10-02-2015 2:39pm

liam24 wrote: »

Translation: he was beaten to death.

Wrong!

Look up the definition of 'beat' and 'beaten'. All online dictionaries define it as repetitive physical strikes. He was punched once according to reports. So if the reports are correct he was not beaten to death.

suicide_circus · 10-02-2015 2:40pm

liam24 wrote: »

They should try to control their emotions and wonder what society would be like if their passions were put into practice.

Go and wash your blue sticky-up hair

liam24 · 10-02-2015 2:41pm

Hoop66 wrote: »

Take the iPad from him and call the police.

That's all that needed to be done. I understand that the guy doesn't want someone taking pictures of his daughter, but he's got himself into all sorts of trouble now. And his daughter has had to witness her father a) behaving violently, in fact killing someone and b) being arrested.

This is the point which all the Neanderthals seem to miss - his daughter watched her father killing a man with his bare hands, and will probably be without a father for a few years. Even if she'd been raped it couldn't have been more psychologically damaging to her than this.

liam24 · 10-02-2015 2:42pm

Kiwi in IE wrote: »

Wrong!

Look up the definition of 'beat' and 'beaten'. All online dictionaries define it as repetitive physical strikes. He was punched once according to reports. So if the reports are correct he was not beaten to death.

Blah blah blah.

FTA69 · 10-02-2015 2:45pm

liam24 wrote: »

Blah blah blah.

Pretty much summarises your contribution to this thread alright.

liam24 · 10-02-2015 2:46pm

FTA69 wrote: »

Pretty much summarises your contribution to this thread alright.

No mention of the idiot who's playing childish semantics on a discussion of somebody's murder.

Kiwi in IE · 10-02-2015 2:47pm

liam24 wrote: »

This is the point which all the Neanderthals seem to miss - his daughter watched her father killing a man with his bare hands

Emotive waffle. Would it have been better if he had done it with a knife or a gun? Then it would really be murder rather than the extremely unfortunate manslaughter in highly provoked circumstances that it is!

Chemical Byrne · 10-02-2015 2:48pm

Will people stop banging on about murder. It's nothing of the sort,

It's a case of manslaughter without a doubt. Unless it can be proven that he had intent to kill.

liam24 · 10-02-2015 2:49pm

Kiwi in IE wrote: »

Emotive waffle. Would it have been better if he had done it with a knife or a gun? Then it would really be murder rather than the extremely unfortunate manslaughter in highly provoked circumstances that it is!

Is a child likely to be less traumatised by it because it wasn't done with a gun? Do you think it would have been better for the child if she didn't have to witness it?

Chemical Byrne · 10-02-2015 2:55pm

liam24 wrote: »

Is a child likely to be less traumatised by it because it wasn't done with a gun? Do you think it would have been better for the child if she didn't have to witness it?

What difference does it make what method was used. He killed a man in front of his daughter, that will have an effect on that basis. It wouldn't matter if he quietly smothered him with a pillow, it's the same thing.

Kiwi in IE · 10-02-2015 2:55pm

suicide_circus wrote: »

Go and wash your blue sticky-up hair

liam24 wrote: »

Is a child likely to be less traumatised by it because it wasn't done with a gun? Do you think it would have been better for the child if she didn't have to witness it?

Of course it would be better for the child if the whole sorry incident hadn't occurred at all. Unfortunately though it did and sometimes it has to be taken into account that people are human and will not usually respond in a calm, mannerly and appropriate fashion when someone is found to be stalking and photographing their young child.

In no way I am condoning killing such a person but the punch was not outside the realms of expected human response under the circumstances and unfortunately the punch accidently killed the 'photographer'.

FTA69 · 10-02-2015 2:56pm

liam24 wrote: »

No mention of the idiot who's playing childish semantics on a discussion of somebody's murder.

I suspect you're on a wind up because nobody could be this pompous in real life. "Murder" would be if he went and hit this man for no reason with the intention to kill. Reacting with a single blow to a paedophile filming your young daughter after repeatedly telling him to stop is not murder, it's manslaughter and given the situation, an entirely understandable occurrence.

jmayo · 10-02-2015 2:57pm

efb wrote: »

He can't be convicted of murder of there was no intent. Manslaughter with a plea bargain I reckon

One of the guys that was in the gang that beat up and killed British tourist in Spanish village a few years ago got three years for manslaughter.

Chemical Byrne wrote: »

I wonder what the father's socioeceonomic background is...

Ehh the polite way of asking if he was a bit of a **acker or one of the lower classes. :rolleyes:

liam24 wrote: »

It's amazing how people who are probably totally opposed to the death penalty, even for serial killers, thinks it's perfectly acceptable to live in a society where a man is beaten to death in a restaurant. I guess it's getting to the point where anybody can get away with murder as long as they put some child porn on the victim's computer.

It wasn't murder and it wasn't some continous beatening as you are hinting.
He was punched once and he died.

Of course we all know how amazing it is that some are only to glad to defend even sc**bags.

eamonnq · 10-02-2015 3:00pm

liam24 wrote: »

. Even if she'd been raped it couldn't have been more psychologically damaging to her than this.

??? FFS, I think I would rather my child watch me doing what that father did.

jmayo · 10-02-2015 3:03pm

liam24 wrote: »

This is the point which all the Neanderthals seem to miss - his daughter watched her father killing a man with his bare hands, and will probably be without a father for a few years. Even if she'd been raped it couldn't have been more psychologically damaging to her than this.

Now you are an expert in traumatic child physcology. :rolleyes:

Why not go off and find end of the road.
You two could have quiet the circle jerk.

liam24 · 10-02-2015 3:10pm

Kiwi in IE wrote: »

Of course it would be better for the child if the whole sorry incident hadn't occurred at all. Unfortunately though it did and sometimes it has to be taken into account that people are human and will not usually respond in a calm, mannerly and appropriate fashion when someone is found to be stalking and photographing their young child.

In no way I am condoning killing such a person but the punch was not outside the realms of expected human response under the circumstances and unfortunately the punch accidently killed the 'photographer'.

But the argument that 'it's an expected human response under the circumstances' cannot and must not be used as an extenuating factor, any more than a wife who murders her husband for cheating on her should be in any way excused. You can't go around killing people.

British dad smacks perv; perv dies

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