British dad smacks perv; perv dies

liam24 · 10-02-2015 03:33PM

Kiwi in IE wrote: »

According to reports he was not 'beaten to death' at all. It was one unfortunately ill placed, well earned punch which went horribly wrong.

Translation: he was beaten to death.

liam24 · 10-02-2015 03:34PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

People understand a fathers reaction resulting in accidentally death. That doesn't mean they will think it is within the remit of the state to execute its citizens.

They should try to control their emotions and wonder what society would be like if their passions were put into practice.

Hoop66 · 10-02-2015 03:34PM

Take the iPad from him and call the police.

That's all that needed to be done. I understand that the guy doesn't want someone taking pictures of his daughter, but he's got himself into all sorts of trouble now. And his daughter has had to witness her father a) behaving violently, in fact killing someone and b) being arrested.

Larbre34 · 10-02-2015 03:37PM

Unfortunately this guy is bang to rights for Manslaughter. The offenders previous history has no bearing on the prosecution. Hopefully a Spanish jury will just refuse to convict.

Kiwi in IE · 10-02-2015 03:39PM

liam24 wrote: »

Translation: he was beaten to death.

Wrong!

Look up the definition of 'beat' and 'beaten'. All online dictionaries define it as repetitive physical strikes. He was punched once according to reports. So if the reports are correct he was not beaten to death.

suicide_circus · 10-02-2015 03:40PM

liam24 wrote: »

They should try to control their emotions and wonder what society would be like if their passions were put into practice.

Go and wash your blue sticky-up hair

liam24 · 10-02-2015 03:41PM

Hoop66 wrote: »

Take the iPad from him and call the police.

That's all that needed to be done. I understand that the guy doesn't want someone taking pictures of his daughter, but he's got himself into all sorts of trouble now. And his daughter has had to witness her father a) behaving violently, in fact killing someone and b) being arrested.

This is the point which all the Neanderthals seem to miss - his daughter watched her father killing a man with his bare hands, and will probably be without a father for a few years. Even if she'd been raped it couldn't have been more psychologically damaging to her than this.

liam24 · 10-02-2015 03:42PM

Kiwi in IE wrote: »

Wrong!

Look up the definition of 'beat' and 'beaten'. All online dictionaries define it as repetitive physical strikes. He was punched once according to reports. So if the reports are correct he was not beaten to death.

Blah blah blah.

FTA69 · 10-02-2015 03:45PM

liam24 wrote: »

Blah blah blah.

Pretty much summarises your contribution to this thread alright.

liam24 · 10-02-2015 03:46PM

FTA69 wrote: »

Pretty much summarises your contribution to this thread alright.

No mention of the idiot who's playing childish semantics on a discussion of somebody's murder.

Kiwi in IE · 10-02-2015 03:47PM

liam24 wrote: »

This is the point which all the Neanderthals seem to miss - his daughter watched her father killing a man with his bare hands

Emotive waffle. Would it have been better if he had done it with a knife or a gun? Then it would really be murder rather than the extremely unfortunate manslaughter in highly provoked circumstances that it is!

Chemical Byrne · 10-02-2015 03:48PM

Will people stop banging on about murder. It's nothing of the sort,

It's a case of manslaughter without a doubt. Unless it can be proven that he had intent to kill.

liam24 · 10-02-2015 03:49PM

Kiwi in IE wrote: »

Emotive waffle. Would it have been better if he had done it with a knife or a gun? Then it would really be murder rather than the extremely unfortunate manslaughter in highly provoked circumstances that it is!

Is a child likely to be less traumatised by it because it wasn't done with a gun? Do you think it would have been better for the child if she didn't have to witness it?

Chemical Byrne · 10-02-2015 03:55PM

liam24 wrote: »

Is a child likely to be less traumatised by it because it wasn't done with a gun? Do you think it would have been better for the child if she didn't have to witness it?

What difference does it make what method was used. He killed a man in front of his daughter, that will have an effect on that basis. It wouldn't matter if he quietly smothered him with a pillow, it's the same thing.

Kiwi in IE · 10-02-2015 03:55PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

Go and wash your blue sticky-up hair

liam24 wrote: »

Is a child likely to be less traumatised by it because it wasn't done with a gun? Do you think it would have been better for the child if she didn't have to witness it?

Of course it would be better for the child if the whole sorry incident hadn't occurred at all. Unfortunately though it did and sometimes it has to be taken into account that people are human and will not usually respond in a calm, mannerly and appropriate fashion when someone is found to be stalking and photographing their young child.

In no way I am condoning killing such a person but the punch was not outside the realms of expected human response under the circumstances and unfortunately the punch accidently killed the 'photographer'.

FTA69 · 10-02-2015 03:56PM

liam24 wrote: »

No mention of the idiot who's playing childish semantics on a discussion of somebody's murder.

I suspect you're on a wind up because nobody could be this pompous in real life. "Murder" would be if he went and hit this man for no reason with the intention to kill. Reacting with a single blow to a paedophile filming your young daughter after repeatedly telling him to stop is not murder, it's manslaughter and given the situation, an entirely understandable occurrence.

jmayo · 10-02-2015 03:57PM

efb wrote: »

He can't be convicted of murder of there was no intent. Manslaughter with a plea bargain I reckon

One of the guys that was in the gang that beat up and killed British tourist in Spanish village a few years ago got three years for manslaughter.

Chemical Byrne wrote: »

I wonder what the father's socioeceonomic background is...

Ehh the polite way of asking if he was a bit of a **acker or one of the lower classes. :rolleyes:

liam24 wrote: »

It's amazing how people who are probably totally opposed to the death penalty, even for serial killers, thinks it's perfectly acceptable to live in a society where a man is beaten to death in a restaurant. I guess it's getting to the point where anybody can get away with murder as long as they put some child porn on the victim's computer.

It wasn't murder and it wasn't some continous beatening as you are hinting.
He was punched once and he died.

Of course we all know how amazing it is that some are only to glad to defend even sc**bags.

eamonnq · 10-02-2015 04:00PM

liam24 wrote: »

. Even if she'd been raped it couldn't have been more psychologically damaging to her than this.

??? FFS, I think I would rather my child watch me doing what that father did.

jmayo · 10-02-2015 04:03PM

liam24 wrote: »

This is the point which all the Neanderthals seem to miss - his daughter watched her father killing a man with his bare hands, and will probably be without a father for a few years. Even if she'd been raped it couldn't have been more psychologically damaging to her than this.

Now you are an expert in traumatic child physcology. :rolleyes:

Why not go off and find end of the road.
You two could have quiet the circle jerk.

liam24 · 10-02-2015 04:10PM

Kiwi in IE wrote: »

Of course it would be better for the child if the whole sorry incident hadn't occurred at all. Unfortunately though it did and sometimes it has to be taken into account that people are human and will not usually respond in a calm, mannerly and appropriate fashion when someone is found to be stalking and photographing their young child.

In no way I am condoning killing such a person but the punch was not outside the realms of expected human response under the circumstances and unfortunately the punch accidently killed the 'photographer'.

But the argument that 'it's an expected human response under the circumstances' cannot and must not be used as an extenuating factor, any more than a wife who murders her husband for cheating on her should be in any way excused. You can't go around killing people.

liam24 · 10-02-2015 04:11PM

eamonnq wrote: »

??? FFS, I think I would rather my child watch me doing what that father did.

But that's because you're clearly deranged. You're living in the modern media driven cloud cuckoo land where rape is supposed to be worse than murder.

eamonnq · 10-02-2015 04:13PM

liam24 wrote: »

But that's because you're clearly deranged. You're living in the modern media driven cloud cuckoo land where rape is supposed to be worse than murder.

Clearly.

I think someone here is clearly deranged, but I am quite certain it is not me.

runawaybishop · 10-02-2015 04:18PM

liam24 wrote: »

No mention of the idiot who's playing childish semantics on a discussion of somebody's murder.

Semantics? Its entirely germane to the discussion and will dictate completely the degree of sentences that can be carried out, if any. Massive difference between murder and manslaughter, just as there is a huge difference between punching someone once and issuing a beating.

liam24 · 10-02-2015 04:20PM

runawaybishop wrote: »

Semantics? Its entirely germane to the discussion and will dictate completely the degree of sentences that can be carried out, if any. Massive difference between murder and manslaughter, just as there is a huge difference between punching someone once and issuing a beating.

But I'm guessing they're not going to city my post on boards.ie as evidence in the trial.

Kiwi in IE · 10-02-2015 04:20PM

liam24 wrote: »

But the argument that 'it's an expected human response under the circumstances' cannot and must not be used as an extenuating factor, any more than a wife who murders her husband for cheating on her should be in any way excused. You can't go around killing people.

No of course you can't go around killing people but not everything is black and white either. What about if wife kills husband who is about to beat/rape her? Battered spouses have been aquitted under circumstances of having been repeatedly abused and rightly so, but because they were acquitted under a particular set of circumstances dosn't mean that it's now ok for everyone to go around killing each other. Sometimes circumstance has to be considered and the circumstances in this case add up to an understandable and expected human response. I don't mean the death of course, I mean the punch. Unfortunately for everyone concerned the punch accidently resulted in death.

If the father had given the man back his iPad, done nothing and then followed him and actually beaten him to death intentionally the next day I would agree with you.

runawaybishop · 10-02-2015 04:22PM

liam24 wrote: »

But I'm guessing they're not going to city my post on boards.ie as evidence in the trial.

What are you sh1teing on about? This thread is about a man who punched someone once with fatal consequences, they did not issue a beating with the intent to kill someone.

Flibbles · 10-02-2015 04:22PM

My gut reaction is that I'd want to punch too. My reasoned out reaction is it's a public place, and unfortunately the guy can take all the photos he wants. I'm sure if the father had spoken to the waiter/waitress, the iPad guy would have been asked to leave the premises.

HoratiJoe · 10-02-2015 04:26PM

Kainith from Chewin the Fat couldn't be 40

Holsten · 10-02-2015 04:28PM

I read the guy was taking pictures of everyone? They are both pretty stupid in my eyes, the guy if he was actually taking photos of his daughter and the father for his reaction.

A reaction that will now cause severe damage to his daughter and wife and have him locked away for a few years.

A reaction like his helps no one.

Kiwi in IE · 10-02-2015 04:38PM

Holsten wrote: »

I read the guy was taking pictures of everyone? They are both pretty stupid in my eyes, the guy if he was actually taking photos of his daughter and the father for his reaction.

A reaction that will now cause severe damage to his daughter and wife and have him locked away for a few years.

A reaction like his helps no one.

I do agree with you but if it had just been a punch and the man had ended up with a black eye, bleeding nose or cut lip, the father might have got the legal equivelant of a slap on the wrist and Mr 'Enthusiastic Photographer' might have learned a lesson (how to become more sneaky and less high profile most likely). However this all went terribly wrong and the punch accidently killed this person, everyone knows it can happen I suppose, but it's one of those one in a million events, and it was completely a case of unintended death. In no way is this equivelant to murder.

British dad smacks perv; perv dies

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