British dad smacks perv; perv dies

Roger Hassenforder · 10-02-2015 12:35PM #1

Don't know how I'd react to finding pictures of my kids on a strangers ipad.
A beatdown would certainly be considered. This perv died as a result of one.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11401310/British-man-arrested-in-Spain-for-killing-paedophile-he-caught-filming-his-daughter.html

Deserved?
I'm not too upset by it TBH

jimgoose · 10-02-2015 12:38PM

I'd say all is well under Heaven. :cool:

MarkR · 10-02-2015 12:44PM

Article isn't very clear on whether the images of the child were innocent, or like the pervy ones he'd been arrested for previously. If it's pervy ones, give him a medal.

jungleman · 10-02-2015 12:46PM

MarkR wrote: »

Article isn't very clear on whether the images of the child were innocent, or like the pervy ones he'd been arrested for previously. If it's pervy ones, give him a medal.

Can a guy who was found to have indecent images of children ever take an "innocent" photo of a child? I doubt it.

FTA69 · 10-02-2015 12:49PM

Read this on the train this morning, it's a tragedy to be honest. The guy apparently was continually and brazenly recording a young child and refused to do so when asked. When the father saw he had amassed videos of his daughter he flipped out and punched the paedophile once.

I don't think anyone could safely say they weren't capable of doing the same had their young daughter been the child in question.

anncoates · 10-02-2015 12:49PM

Too few facts to be applauding anybody from the looks of it. His previous conviction probably means he was up to no good though. Bit unfortunate for the guy to face murder charges now for a punch

jelenka · 10-02-2015 12:59PM

For someone who was arrested for indecent images recently that perv obviously wouldn't stop and learn his lesson by continuing to take pictures of other children at a restaurant.
It was probably only a matter of time when this sick photography would not be enough and he would go further down the paedophilia route.
I don't believe that the father wanted to kill him, but he was right to stand up to the perv. I am sure any other father who loves their kids would do the same.
Now I don't defend killing the perv,but he deserved a punch in my opinion.

Little CuChulainn · 10-02-2015 01:02PM

The thing about it is, the father didn't know the guy had been arrested for indecent images. So he hit him solely on the basis he had recorded his daughter in a restaurant.

FTA69 · 10-02-2015 01:06PM

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

The thing about it is, the father didn't know the guy had been arrested for indecent images. So he hit him solely on the basis he had recorded his daughter in a restaurant.

Sounds fair. If I was out in a restaurant and some lad was recording my young daughter I'd get the hump as well. If I continually asked him to desist and he refused I'd be proper annoyed and if I later saw he had loads of images of my child on his iPad I'd be in a rage.

suicide_circus · 10-02-2015 01:10PM

Good night, sweet prince

jelenka · 10-02-2015 01:11PM

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

The thing about it is, the father didn't know the guy had been arrested for indecent images. So he hit him solely on the basis he had recorded his daughter in a restaurant.

Obviously we don't know the full story, but what if, while flicking through the photos he did see some indecent pictures.. Only a suggestion, but also 1 accidental photo is ok, but the guy was obviously noticed by the father and had continued to take pictures of his child. Father didn't just get up and punch him, he checked that he was indeed taking pictures of his daughter. Also it was only one punch, he didn't beat him up, just one punch that was fatal to the perv.

Fratton Fred · 10-02-2015 01:13PM

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

The thing about it is, the father didn't know the guy had been arrested for indecent images. So he hit him solely on the basis he had recorded his daughter in a restaurant.

He asked him to stop, which he didn't. The father then took his iPad, saw the videos and photos then turned and punched the guy.

I'm not sure I'd do anything different to be honest.

wes · 10-02-2015 01:26PM

Sounds like something any father would do, and it seems pretty clear that the intent was not to kill the guy. The father was just protecting his daughter.

jamesbere · 10-02-2015 01:31PM

Any father would of done what that man did, it was just unfortunate that the man died. He'll see jail time for it alright but any judge and jury should see common sense here and give a mild sentence. It must be very hard for the daughter

Roger Hassenforder · 10-02-2015 01:34PM

jamesbere wrote: »

Any father would of done what that man did, it was just unfortunate that the man died. He'll see jail time for it alright but any judge and jury should see common sense here and give a mild sentence. It must be very hard for the daughter

20 hours community service hopefully

crybaby · 10-02-2015 01:37PM

God the naivety of the restaurant owner thinking that someone taking pictures of random people at restaurants is normal behaviour

Be interesting to see how the case pans out, can't say I have an ounce of sympathy for the guy who died

Kiwi in IE · 10-02-2015 01:42PM

It is hugely unfortunate for the father that the man died. I certainly don't condone killing anyone, but is is perfectly clear that wasn't the father's intention, more of an unfortunate accident. He can't be deemed a risk to the public on the basis of this incident (except those who are sexually exploiting his young children), he does not need rehabilitation of any sort so what will a jail sentence achieve?

Oink · 10-02-2015 01:48PM

I will not rejoice in a man's death.

Having said that, can you imagine how many hands the father will have to shake on his way to jail? He will have purged his sentence before he even gets there...

Egginacup · 10-02-2015 01:50PM

jelenka wrote: »

Obviously we don't know the full story, but what if, while flicking through the photos he did see some indecent pictures.. Only a suggestion, but also 1 accidental photo is ok, but the guy was obviously noticed by the father and had continued to take pictures of his child. Father didn't just get up and punch him, he checked that he was indeed taking pictures of his daughter. Also it was only one punch, he didn't beat him up, just one punch that was fatal to the perv.

Well he killed somebody. In the process of being a protective father his daughter is now going to grow up without a father if he gets convicted of murder.
People are way too quick to take the law into their own hands and others are way too quick to gleefully cheer them on.

Yakult · 10-02-2015 01:56PM

Any time you punch someone in the face, you could kill them. This is very unfortunate for the father, but can't say I would not do the same in his position, might have smashed his iPad first tho.

animaal · 10-02-2015 02:56PM

Punching the guy was understandable, but wasn't going to achieve anything. What's the point in leaving the guy with a bloody nose and an iPad with a broken screen, from which he can probably still copy the pictures?

A better resolution would have been to spend the energy destroying the iPad fully, rather than hitting the guy. It also has the benefit that if the law comes after you, you're only on the hook for an a piece of equipment.

Little CuChulainn · 10-02-2015 03:00PM

animaal wrote: »

Punching the guy was understandable, but wasn't going to achieve anything. What's the point in leaving the guy with a bloody nose and an iPad with a broken screen, from which he can probably still copy the pictures?

A better resolution would have been to spend the energy destroying the iPad fully, rather than hitting the guy. It also has the benefit that if the law comes after you, you're only on the hook for an a piece of equipment.

Or just call the police.

spiralism · 10-02-2015 03:03PM

jamesbere wrote: »

Any father would of done what that man did, it was just unfortunate that the man died. He'll see jail time for it alright but any judge and jury should see common sense here and give a mild sentence. It must be very hard for the daughter

Murder though or manslaughter at the very least, likely the latter.. General principle of law is that if you deck someone and accidentally kill them, the law obviously takes it on the face of it: you killed somebody. Not sure what the law is on mandatory sentencing in Spain re: murder/manslaughter though.

efb · 10-02-2015 03:06PM

He can't be convicted of murder if there was no intent. Manslaughter with a plea bargain I reckon

Chemical Byrne · 10-02-2015 03:15PM

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

20 hours community service hopefully

I would consider his dispatch of a pedo creep to be an enormous service to the community.
The man should be given a medal.

In seriousness though, he handled it totally wrong. Get angry yes, but he should have called the Police. Violence solves nothing and in addition he presumably did it in from of his child - not exactly setting a good example for her is it?

Kiwi in IE wrote: »

It is hugely unfortunate for the father that the man died. I certainly don't condone killing anyone, but is is perfectly clear that wasn't the father's intention, more of an unfortunate accident. He can't be deemed a risk to the public on the basis of this incident (except those who are sexually exploiting his young children), he does not need rehabilitation of any sort so what will a jail sentence achieve?

I think he could do with an anger management programme. As I said, violence solves nothing and only leads to even more trouble. He should also be able to control his temper, especially in front of his child. It must have been very scary for her.
I wonder what the father's socioeceonomic background is...

animaal wrote: »

Punching the guy was understandable, but wasn't going to achieve anything. What's the point in leaving the guy with a bloody nose and an iPad with a broken screen, from which he can probably still copy the pictures?

A better resolution would have been to spend the energy destroying the iPad fully, rather than hitting the guy. It also has the benefit that if the law comes after you, you're only on the hook for an a piece of equipment.

Yeah, and what would that achieve either? Piss the perv off and, more importantly, it would DESTROY THE EVIDENCE. He should have had control over his temper and called the police who could prosecute him for perving.

Mesrine65 · 10-02-2015 03:19PM

Chemical Byrne wrote: »

I wonder what the father's socioeceonomic background is...

FFS :rolleyes:

zuber · 10-02-2015 03:19PM

Give him a medal

liam24 · 10-02-2015 03:26PM

It's amazing how people who are probably totally opposed to the death penalty, even for serial killers, thinks it's perfectly acceptable to live in a society where a man is beaten to death in a restaurant. I guess it's getting to the point where anybody can get away with murder as long as they put some child porn on the victim's computer.

Kiwi in IE · 10-02-2015 03:29PM

Chemical Byrne wrote: »

I think he could do with an anger management programme. As I said, violence solves nothing and only leads to even more trouble. He should also be able to control his temper, especially in front of his child. It must have been very scary for her.
I wonder what the father's socioeceonomic background is...

Yeah, and what would that achieve either? Piss the perv off and, more importantly, it would DESTROY THE EVIDENCE. He should have had control over his temper and called the police who could prosecute him for perving.

The unnecessary use of such vulgar language makes me wonder what your socioeconomic background is.

In all seriousness the top paragraph is one of the most pompous, patronising things I have read in a while! I don't know if your a parent or not, but maybe wait until are in this man's position before you prescribe him an anger management course.

suicide_circus · 10-02-2015 03:31PM

liam24 wrote: »

It's amazing how people who are probably totally opposed to the death penalty, even for serial killers, thinks it's perfectly acceptable to live in a society where a man is beaten to death in a restaurant. I guess it's getting to the point where anybody can get away with murder as long as they put some child porn on the victim's computer.

People understand a fathers reaction resulting in accidentally death. That doesn't mean they will think it is within the remit of the state to execute its citizens.

Kiwi in IE · 10-02-2015 03:32PM

liam24 wrote: »

It's amazing how people who are probably totally opposed to the death penalty, even for serial killers, thinks it's perfectly acceptable to live in a society where a man is beaten to death in a restaurant. I guess it's getting to the point where anybody can get away with murder as long as they put some child porn on the victim's computer.

According to reports he was not 'beaten to death' at all. It was one unfortunately ill placed, well earned punch which went horribly wrong.

British dad smacks perv; perv dies

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