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‘People think I’m the devil for having an abortion, but it’s the only option that&

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  • #962
    Potatoeman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,544 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    I dont think anyone should have parenthood forced on them but most prochoice people use prolife arguements when it comes to men. The most common being 'he made his choice when he had sex' but doesnt this apply to women too?


  • #963
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    Potatoeman wrote: »
    I dont think anyone should have parenthood forced on them but most prochoice people use prolife arguements when it comes to men. The most common being 'he made his choice when he had sex' but doesnt this apply to women too?

    To an extent but its not parenthood - you don't have to raise the child, you can place it for adoption.

    Most women who have abortions don't want to be pregnant in the first place.


  • #964
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    Potatoeman wrote: »
    I dont think anyone should have parenthood forced on them but most prochoice people use prolife arguements when it comes to men. The most common being 'he made his choice when he had sex' but doesnt this apply to women too?

    Why would the pro choice side use that argument against men? Please explain...


  • #965
    sunshine and showers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,027 ✭✭✭sunshine and showers


    People bringing up the girl's road trip plans are really píssing me off.

    Let's be clear: she didn't need to give any reason at all because it's none of our business.


  • #966
    liam24
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 369 ✭✭liam24


    sunshine and showers wrote: »
    People bringing up the girl's road trip plans are really píssing me off.

    Let's be clear: she didn't need to give any reason at all because it's none of our business.

    She obviously didn't feel that way when she revealed it in a documentary likely to be watched by millions of people.


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  • #967
    sunshine and showers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,027 ✭✭✭sunshine and showers


    liam24 wrote: »
    She obviously didn't feel that way when she revealed it in a documentary likely to be watched by millions of people.

    She was being honest and trying to show there are many reasons women get abortions.

    She doesn't owe you or anyone else a reason, though. And yet people think they have to right to evaluate her reasonings to see if they're "good enough".


  • #968
    liam24
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 369 ✭✭liam24


    sunshine and showers wrote: »
    She was being honest and trying to show there are many reasons women get abortions.

    She doesn't owe you or anyone else a reason, though. And yet people think they have to right to evaluate her reasonings to see if they're "good enough".

    If it's none of our business, she shouldn't have said it. If she said it, she feels it is our business.


  • #969
    kylith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,739 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    I just want to say 'so what' about her road trip in the US? Even if she had no plans at all but to sit at home for the next 2 years and scratch her arse she is entitled to terminate a pregnancy if she wants to. Funnily enough, having no plans but not wanting to have a baby would probably be seen by some people as a better reason than having plans and not wanting to have a baby.


  • #970
    sunshine and showers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,027 ✭✭✭sunshine and showers


    liam24 wrote: »
    If it's none of our business, she shouldn't have said it. If she said it, she feels it is our business.

    It can be your business to know why, but not to judge. It's her body. She did nothing illegal.


  • #971
    Frito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 769 ✭✭✭Frito


    sunshine and showers wrote: »
    People bringing up the girl's road trip plans are really píssing me off.

    Let's be clear: she didn't need to give any reason at all because it's none of our business.

    I think people are getting reasons and examples mixed up, probably because of the narration. To me the reason is clear; she wasn't ready. The road trip is an example/descriptor of how she knows she's not ready ie she has aspirations she wants to fulfil first and buying the apartment relates to providing a stable base to start a family.


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  • #972
    liam24
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 369 ✭✭liam24


    sunshine and showers wrote: »
    It can be your business to know why, but not to judge. It's her body. She did nothing illegal.

    Well there are a lot of idiots in the world.


  • #973
    sunshine and showers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,027 ✭✭✭sunshine and showers


    liam24 wrote: »
    Well there are a lot of idiots in the world.

    ^ Oh I would definitely have to agree.


  • #974
    bjork
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,554 ✭✭✭bjork


    sunshine and showers wrote: »
    ^ Oh I would definitely have to agree.

    I agree too! Too many people unable to use contraception properly!


  • #975
    sunshine and showers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,027 ✭✭✭sunshine and showers


    bjork wrote: »
    I agree too! Too many people unable to use contraception properly!

    Yes, because contraception is always 100% effective and if it fails, it's your fault so you should have to have a baby as punishment for having sex for non-reproductive purposes.

    /sarcasm meter explodes


  • #976
    jimgoose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,201 ✭✭✭✭jimgoose


    bjork wrote: »
    I agree too! Too many people unable to use contraception properly!

    Awful lot of folk who don't keep out of people's personal space, insist on hitting people over the head with their storybooks and don't mind their own goddamned business as well.


  • #977
    Potatoeman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,544 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    smash wrote: »
    Why would the pro choice side use that argument against men? Please explain...

    Well if the mother decides to keep the child against the fathers wishes he is still financially liable. Many people believe a mans choice ends at conception.


  • #978
    bjork
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,554 ✭✭✭bjork


    sunshine and showers wrote: »
    Yes, because contraception is always 100% effective and if it fails, it's your fault so you should have to have a baby as punishment for having sex for non-reproductive purposes.

    /sarcasm meter explodes

    More like, you can't fix stupid, better to exterminate them when possible to save future generations


  • #979
    sunshine and showers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,027 ✭✭✭sunshine and showers


    bjork wrote: »
    More like, you can't fix stupid, better to exterminate them when possible to save future generations

    Do you have a basic understanding of how contraception works?


  • #980
    liam24
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 369 ✭✭liam24


    Potatoeman wrote: »
    Well if the mother decides to keep the child against the fathers wishes he is still financially liable. Many people believe a mans choice ends at conception.
    That's definitely a law that needs to change.


  • #981
    bjork
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,554 ✭✭✭bjork


    sunshine and showers wrote: »
    Do you have a basic understanding of how contraception works?

    I do, that's why I'm not in the queue for an abortion!!
    Do you?


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  • #982
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    Potatoeman wrote: »
    Well if the mother decides to keep the child against the fathers wishes he is still financially liable. Many people believe a mans choice ends at conception.

    This is a separate argument than a woman's right to an abortion. And not one that I'd hear a lot of pro-choicers throw out there either.


  • #983
    bodice ripper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,681 ✭✭✭bodice ripper


    bjork wrote: »
    I do, that's why I'm not in the queue for an abortion!!
    Do you?



    make sure you insist any would be rapists use a condom, otherwise you might lose the moral high ground.


  • #984
    Frito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 769 ✭✭✭Frito


    Potatoeman wrote: »
    Well if the mother decides to keep the child against the fathers wishes he is still financially liable. Many people believe a mans choice ends at conception.

    Yes and if she chose to have the child because the father wanted it, hand it over to him to raise then she would also be financially liable.


  • #985
    Shrap
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,163 ✭✭✭Shrap


    bjork wrote: »
    I do, that's why I'm not in the queue for an abortion!!
    Do you?

    Congratulations. You win the internets for the most facile post of the day.


  • #986
    Potatoeman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,544 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    smash wrote: »
    This is a separate argument than a woman's right to an abortion. And not one that I'd hear a lot of pro-choicers throw out there either.

    It came up in the last abortion thread. Its more common than you realise as it has far reaching implications.


  • #987
    sunshine and showers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,027 ✭✭✭sunshine and showers


    bjork wrote: »
    I do, that's why I'm not in the queue for an abortion!!
    Do you?

    Oh clearly you don't. Dear god.


  • #988
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    Potatoeman wrote: »
    It came up in the last abortion thread. Its more common than you realise as it has far reaching implications.

    I know what the implications are but it's a different discussion. Having sex with someone doesn't give a man the right to say how he wants a woman to treat her body, whether it be "get an abortion" or "keep the baby". The laws need to change, but I don't think the man should be granted that say just because he had sex with her.


  • #989
    liam24
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 369 ✭✭liam24


    smash wrote: »
    I know what the implications are but it's a different discussion. Having sex with someone doesn't give a man the right to say how he wants a woman to treat her body, whether it be "get an abortion" or "keep the baby". The laws need to change, but I don't think the man should be granted that say just because he had sex with her.

    But if a man wants a woman to get an abortion and she refuses, he shouldn't have to support the child financially.


  • #990
    bjork
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,554 ✭✭✭bjork


    sunshine and showers wrote: »
    Oh clearly you don't. Dear god.

    I don't follow your logic, but as you seem to be a hardline religious person, I'm not suprised I don't follow your logic


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  • #991
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    liam24 wrote: »
    But if a man wants a woman to get an abortion and she refuses, he shouldn't have to support the child financially.

    That's why I said the laws need to change. Much like abortion, there should be a time frame in which a man can waiver his rights to be the parent.


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