Is it ok to laugh at this

Ken.

Just seen this story and my first reaction was to laugh but then I felt bad for laughing.

http://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/head-of-romes-jewish-community-gets-trapped-in-auschwitz-before-being-arrested-trying-to-escape-30947431.html

THE Head of Rome’s Jewish community got trapped in Auschwitz – before being arrested as he tried to make his way out.

Riccardo Pacifici was doing a TV interview after a ceremony to mark the 70th anniversary of the camp’s liberation.

When he went to leave, he realised that the camp’s gates were closed.

Mr Pacifici’s grandparents were murdered in the camp, and he was giving an interview to Portuguese TV.

The group was moved to a local police station and released at around 6am after several hours of questioning through an interpreter.

DoYouEvenLift

That's gas! :pac:

The Diabolical Monocle

lol.

sorry guys bit of bad news :eek:

Turtwig

That's horrifying anne frankly also a bit funny.

Omackeral

I bet he did Nazi that coming.

Strumms

Funny ? It's dog damn heilarious

FluffyAngel

the only thing funny about this ,is watching the bigots crawl out from the rocks and attemtp to hide under the cloak of humor ...

ireland.man

FluffyAngel wrote: »

the only thing funny about this ,is watching the bigots crawl out from the rocks and attemtp to hide under the cloak of humor ...

Are they bigots because of the jokes they've made here or things they've said in past posts?

blinding

Jewish comedians will have a field day with this.

There have been many top class Jewish comedians.

jamesbere

DoYouEvenLift wrote: »

That's gas! :pac:

That's goering too far

Desolation Of Smug

Was there no-one in the watch-tower to make sure all the guests were safe and secure? Or some sort of List of who was supposed to be in and then coming back out? The people running the event mustn't have been concentrating at all, which is ridiculous. Poor form. No way to treat guests. Has anything like this happened there in the past?

mad muffin

No, no. I understand the humour here… since the Irish collaborated with the Nazis.

Cheese Wagstaff

This thread is really out of Mein Kampfert zone.

biko

You just have to laugh at it, what a crazy thing to happen

Timberrrrrrrr

As temperatures plunged, the group tripped an alarm as they tried to get out.

Should have lit a fire.

cloud493

mad muffin wrote: »

No, no. I understand the humour here… since the Irish collaborated with the Nazis.

Got any evidence of that?

The Backwards Man

I think it depends whether you are laughing at the situation or laughing at the Jews.

One is pretty funny, the other is bigoted.

Duggy747

That's like something that would happen right out of a show like Curb Your Enthusiasm

mad muffin

cloud493 wrote: »

Got any evidence of that?

http://bit.ly/1BxVto6

bpmurray

FluffyAngel wrote: »

the only thing funny about this ,is watching the bigots crawl out from the rocks and attemtp to hide under the cloak of humor ...

What an odd thing to claim. In fact, the Irish collaboration with the Allies is well-documented - plenty of their guys were repatriated while the Germans were interned. The Cranborne report stated (from wikipedia):

• They agreed to our use of Lough Foyle for naval and air purposes. The ownership of the Lough is disputed, but the Southern Irish authorities are tacitly not pressing their claim in present conditions and are also ignoring any flying by our aircraft over the Donegal shore of the Lough, which is necessary in certain wind conditions to enable flying boats to take off the Lough.
• They have agreed to use by our aircraft based on Lough Erne of a corridor over Southern Irish territory and territorial waters for the purpose of flying out to the Atlantic.
• They have arranged for the immediate transmission to the United Kingdom Representative's Office in Dublin of reports of submarine activity received from their coast watching service.
• They arranged for the broadening of reports by their Air observation Corps of aircraft sighted over or approaching Southern Irish territory. (This does not include our aircraft using the corridor referred to in (b) above.)
• They arranged for the extinction of trade and business lighting in coastal towns where such lighting was alleged to afford a useful landmark for German aircraft.
• They have continued to supply us with meteorological reports.
• They have agreed to the use by our ships and aircraft of two wireless direction-finding stations at Malin Head.
• They have supplied particulars of German crashed aircraft and personnel crashed or washed ashore or arrested on land.
• They arranged for staff talks on the question of co-operation against a possible German invasion of Southern Ireland, and close contact has since been maintained between the respective military authorities.
• They continue to intern all German fighting personnel reaching Southern Ireland. On the other hand, though after protracted negotiations, Allied service personnel are now allowed to depart freely and full assistance is given in recovering damaged aircraft.
• Recently, in connection with the establishment of prisoner of war camps in Northern Ireland, they have agreed to return or at least intern any German prisoners who may escape from Northern Ireland across the border to Southern Ireland.
• They have throughout offered no objection to the departure from Southern Ireland of persons wishing to serve in the United Kingdom Forces nor to the journey on leave of such persons to and from Southern Ireland (in plain clothes).
• They have continued to exchange information with our security authorities regarding all aliens (including Germans) in Southern Ireland.
• They have (within the last few days) agreed to our establishing a Radar station in Southern Ireland for use against the latest form of submarine activity.

There were also substantial numbers of Irish who enlisted in the British armed forces.

So the question is - why did you make such a claim? Trolling?

ChunkyLover54

bpmurray wrote: »

What an odd thing to claim. ....
There were also substantial numbers of Irish who enlisted in the British armed forces.

So the question is - why did you make such a claim? Trolling?

You were to responding mad muffin's mad statement of Irish-Nazi collaboration ??

paulbok

on a similiar topic, did everyone see the poor advert placement inthe Examiner this week?
Link

I would suspect that was done on purpose (in a "this would be funny" mentality rather than an anti-semetic way).

Uriel.

The Backwards Man wrote: »

I think it depends whether you are laughing at the situation or laughing at the Jews.

One is pretty funny, the other is bigoted.

most would presumably be "laughing" at the irony

ChunkyLover54

paulbok wrote: »

on a similiar topic, did everyone see the poor advert placement inthe Examiner this week?
Link

I would suspect that was done on purpose (in a "this would be funny" mentality rather than an anti-semetic way).

Oh sh*t, thats unfortunate. A coincidence in my opinion.

Lovely Bloke

ChunkyLover54 wrote: »

Oh sh*t, thats unfortunate. A coincidence in my opinion.

what? How anyone could assume it is anything other than co-incidence is bizarre to me - like there's no way they purposely locked a Jew into Auschwitz.

paulbok

Baldy Conscience wrote: »

what? How anyone could assume it is anything other than co-incidence is bizarre to me - like there's no way they purposely locked a Jew into Auschwitz.

I think Chuncy was referring to my hijack post.

ChunkyLover54

Baldy Conscience wrote: »

what? How anyone could assume it is anything other than co-incidence is bizarre to me - like there's no way they purposely locked a Jew into Auschwitz.

Yip, thats what I wrote - I think its a coincidence...(The gas advertisement in the examiner).

kingchess

I find the attempts at humour to be in bad taste,my wife is GERMAN and one of her relatives died in the camps,and she is very touchy about jokes etc being made at his demise,and it is rather sad-he got drunk one night while on duty and fell out of the watchtower.

o1s1n

FluffyAngel wrote: »

the only thing funny about this ,is watching the bigots crawl out from the rocks and attemtp to hide under the cloak of humor ...

Absurd, crazy situations like this one result in humour. It doesn't matter how much of a sacred cow the source material is. People find humour in unlikely coincidences.

Making that out to be some form of bigotry is almost as absurd as the story in the OP.

RayM

I've reported this thread. And if nothing is done about it, I promise I'll take this matter führer.

Omackeral

kingchess wrote: »

I find the attempts at humour to be in bad taste,my wife is GERMAN and one of her relatives died in the camps,and she is very touchy about jokes etc being made at his demise,and it is rather sad-he got drunk one night while on duty and fell out of the watchtower.

RayM wrote: »

I've reported this thread. And if nothing is done about it, I promise I'll take this matter führer.

Both of you bast*rds got me good there. I was there thinking ah ffs here's the buzzkill brigade and then the punchlines were just phenomenal.

Nein/Ten, would read again.

Grayson

FluffyAngel wrote: »

the only thing funny about this ,is watching the bigots crawl out from the rocks and attemtp to hide under the cloak of humor ...

Humour is dependant upon certain mental connections being made (or not made). Jokes are generally funny when the punchline is unexpected. that's why weird, absurd and obtuse punchlines are funny.

In this case there is a certain amount of irony. A jewish person got trapped in a concentration camp and was arrested whilst attempting to leave because they were suspected of breaking into the concentration camp.

It's possible to find humour in the above. It doesn't mean that you aren't slightly horrified at the same time and it doesn't mean you hate jewish people or anything like that.

See what you've done. You've made me explain a joke. Now it's definitely not funny.

ChunkyLover54

Grayson wrote: »

Humour is dependant upon certain mental connections being made (or not made). Jokes are generally funny when the punchline is unexpected. that's why weird, absurd and obtuse punchlines are funny.

In this case there is a certain amount of irony. A jewish person got trapped in a concentration camp and was arrested whilst attempting to leave because they were suspected of breaking into the concentration camp.

It's possible to find humour in the above. It doesn't mean that you aren't slightly horrified at the same time and it doesn't mean you hate jewish people or anything like that.

See what you've done. You've made me explain a joke. Now it's definitely not funny.

Analysing humour is like dissecting a frog - they both die in the process.

Grayson

Omackeral wrote: »

Both of you bast*rds got me good there. I was there thinking ah ffs here's the buzzkill brigade and then the punchlines were just phenomenal.

Nein/Ten, would read again.

jew would say that.

floggg

ChunkyLover54 wrote: »

Analysing humour is like dissecting a frog - they both die in the process.

That would be vivisection.

mad muffin

WTF am I reading in this thread? Are you people totaly mentally deficient?

One of the darkest moments in human history and all you guys can do is joke about it?

A place where people died in the most horrific ways.

Mothers had to decide which child to save or they both died.

A place where they experimented on children.

And all you people can do is make stupid jokes?

This man was there to commemorate the 70th anniversary of the liberation of the camp. A place where his grand parents died. He unfortunately got locked in. At night in the cold. A horrific place. The last place anyone would want to get locked in to. I hightly doubt he thought it was funny.

I know AH is a bit lackadaisical. But this thread is just beyond the pale.

Cop the fûck on and look back at your own history. A history filled with operation by a stronger power that thought nothing of the Irish but a bunch of vermin. Not fit even to feed.

mad muffin

mad muffin wrote: »

One of the darkest moments in human history and all you guys can do is joke about it?

We are human and gifted with the faculty of humour - and humour is actually one of the ways our species deals with horrific events. If this irks you then I suggest you join another species - with attributes more fitting the ones you desire.

You will find however - as soon as you put your indignation back in the drawer - that those who seek the humour in this life are no less moved by the plight and horror of the events in question than you are.

And the vagaries of happenstance can be ironic and funny at times. Yes it is unfortunate that some people got locked in the cold and dark - I wish it had never happened - but I can laugh too at the comedy of fate that would have that particular person get locked in that particular place - and then be apprehended by german authorities attempting to escape.

And I would be surprised if - having gotten over the ordeal - the people in question did not see the funny side too - as many of us do when bad things happen to us and we view them then in retrospect.

The human condition has elements that make it horrific and ludicrous at times. I am happy to embrace both with reason AND humour AND heart.

mad muffin wrote: »

I hightly doubt he thought it was funny.

By all means ask him in a couple of weeks. I highly doubt anyone with an appreciation for the ludicrous nature of life - the twists of fate - and irony - would fail to find it funny.

mad muffin wrote: »

I know AH is a bit lackadaisical. But this thread is just beyond the pale.

Would you like to be informed of the location of the exit? Unless there is some data I am missing - I assume you are under no compunction to be here?

mad muffin

You can spin it anyway you want. This thread is wrong and any right minded person knows it.

ChunkyLover54

mad muffin wrote: »

WTF am I reading in this thread? Are you people totaly mentally deficient?
.

Once you made your statement that the Irish collaborated with the Nazis, you lost a good deal of credibility.

Omackeral

mad muffin wrote: »

You can spin it anyway you want. This thread is wrong and any right minded person knows it.

It's gas.

Duggy747

mad muffin wrote: »

You can spin it anyway you want. This thread is wrong and any right minded person knows it.

You're the only one offended here, others know the difference of context, black humour and the irony of the situation.

mad muffin

mad muffin wrote: »

You can spin it anyway you want. This thread is wrong and any right minded person knows it.

Ah the old "I can not argue my point - so I will just pretend right minded people agree with me" card. You forgot to declare it "common sense" while you were at it

I see nothing offensive on this thread at all - except perhaps Omackeral making a joke that was already made - keep up dude!

mad muffin

ChunkyLover54 wrote: »

Once you made your statement that the Irish collaborated with the Nazis, you lost a good deal of credibility.

What part of what I said was false?

ireland.man

How many potatoes does it take to kill an Irishman?

None.

Is the Holocaust eternally off-limits for humour or is it a matter of waiting some more time? Is it off-limits because of the scale? Is it because of the nature of the jokes here, the fact that people are using puns, that make them insensitive?

The fact is the Irish and the Jews are famous for sharing a particular type of gallows humour. There's a multitude of jokes from Jewish comedians about the Holocaust and it's obviously a way of coming to terms with an almost unimaginable evil. I wonder would those objecting to the humour in this thread also berate Mel Brooks for penning the song, 'Springtime for Hitler'?

crockholm

mad muffin wrote: »

What part of what I said was false?

If only my grand-uncle, who fought in Tobruk alongside many of your fellow countrymen,knew he was a crypto-nazi or nazi sympathizer

mad muffin

crockholm wrote: »

If only my grand-uncle, who fought in Tobruk alongside many of your fellow countrymen,knew he was a crypto-nazi or nazi sympathizer

You can be as facetious as you want. But you know exactly what I mean.

How long did it take for the Irish to aknowadge his sacrifice? I fought he was treated like a hero in his return.

NachoBusiness

cloud493 wrote: »

Got any evidence of that?

Always surprises me when people are shocked by the very suggestion of this. Would have thought it was pretty much common knowledge at this stage. The statue of Sean Russell has been vandalized quite a bit over the years because of some of his actions. The council even had to lower the right arm of it as many said it was much too close to being a Nazi'esque salute. I remember a few years back driving by it one day and someone had painted large swastikas either side of the monument on which the statue stands.

Balmed Out

NachoBusiness wrote: »

Always surprises me when people are shocked by the very suggestion of this. Would have thought it was pretty much common knowledge at this stage. The statue of Sean Russell has been vandalized quite a bit over the years because of some of his actions. The council even had to lower the right arm of it as many said it was much too close to being a Nazi'esque salute. I remember a few years back driving by it one day and someone had painted large swastikas either side of the monument on which the statue stands.

If someone says "the Irish collaborated with the NAZI's" one would assume they were referring to the Irish state and not a few republican malcontents. By that yardstick the British, American's, Russians, Polish etc. all collaborated with the NAZI's.

crockholm

mad muffin wrote: »

You can be as facetious as you want. But you know exactly what I mean.

How long did it take for the Irish to aknowadge his sacrifice? I fought he was treated like a hero in his return.

Nothing facetious at all- after the war he settled back in Australia,His sister (my grandmother) joined the land army and moved back to Ireland in 1947-without repercussion. (she got a medal posthumously in 1995)

These are Irish people in my immediate family who were not sympathetic to the nazis in any way.There are others in my family tree who did likewise,yet the sacrifices that they made mean nothing as you have a Point to prove.

mad muffin

Balmed Out wrote: »

If someone says "the Irish collaborated with the NAZI's" one would assume they were referring to the Irish state and not a few republican malcontents. By that yardstick the British, American's, Russians, Polish etc. all collaborated with the NAZI's.

The state certainly doesn't have a problem erecting a statue to commemorate such collaborations.

Arsemageddon

mad muffin wrote: »

The state certainly doesn't have a problem erecting a statue to commemorate such collaborations.

What statues?

What the fcuk are you talking about?

Are you actually going to give any actual examples of this 'collaboration' or are you just going to keep posting the same nonsense over and over again?