Is it ok to laugh at this

Grayson · 30-01-2015 11:43AM

FluffyAngel wrote: »

the only thing funny about this ,is watching the bigots crawl out from the rocks and attemtp to hide under the cloak of humor ...

Humour is dependant upon certain mental connections being made (or not made). Jokes are generally funny when the punchline is unexpected. that's why weird, absurd and obtuse punchlines are funny.

In this case there is a certain amount of irony. A jewish person got trapped in a concentration camp and was arrested whilst attempting to leave because they were suspected of breaking into the concentration camp.

It's possible to find humour in the above. It doesn't mean that you aren't slightly horrified at the same time and it doesn't mean you hate jewish people or anything like that.

See what you've done. You've made me explain a joke. Now it's definitely not funny.

ChunkyLover54 · 30-01-2015 11:53AM

Grayson wrote: »

Humour is dependant upon certain mental connections being made (or not made). Jokes are generally funny when the punchline is unexpected. that's why weird, absurd and obtuse punchlines are funny.

In this case there is a certain amount of irony. A jewish person got trapped in a concentration camp and was arrested whilst attempting to leave because they were suspected of breaking into the concentration camp.

It's possible to find humour in the above. It doesn't mean that you aren't slightly horrified at the same time and it doesn't mean you hate jewish people or anything like that.

See what you've done. You've made me explain a joke. Now it's definitely not funny.

Analysing humour is like dissecting a frog - they both die in the process.

Grayson · 30-01-2015 11:56AM

Omackeral wrote: »

Both of you bast*rds got me good there. I was there thinking ah ffs here's the buzzkill brigade and then the punchlines were just phenomenal.

Nein/Ten, would read again.

jew would say that.

floggg · 30-01-2015 12:01PM

ChunkyLover54 wrote: »

Analysing humour is like dissecting a frog - they both die in the process.

That would be vivisection.

mad muffin · 30-01-2015 01:24PM

WTF am I reading in this thread? Are you people totaly mentally deficient?

One of the darkest moments in human history and all you guys can do is joke about it?

A place where people died in the most horrific ways.

Mothers had to decide which child to save or they both died.

A place where they experimented on children.

And all you people can do is make stupid jokes?

This man was there to commemorate the 70th anniversary of the liberation of the camp. A place where his grand parents died. He unfortunately got locked in. At night in the cold. A horrific place. The last place anyone would want to get locked in to. I hightly doubt he thought it was funny.

I know AH is a bit lackadaisical. But this thread is just beyond the pale.

Cop the fûck on and look back at your own history. A history filled with operation by a stronger power that thought nothing of the Irish but a bunch of vermin. Not fit even to feed.

30-01-2015 01:33PM

mad muffin wrote: »

One of the darkest moments in human history and all you guys can do is joke about it?

We are human and gifted with the faculty of humour - and humour is actually one of the ways our species deals with horrific events. If this irks you then I suggest you join another species - with attributes more fitting the ones you desire.

You will find however - as soon as you put your indignation back in the drawer - that those who seek the humour in this life are no less moved by the plight and horror of the events in question than you are.

And the vagaries of happenstance can be ironic and funny at times. Yes it is unfortunate that some people got locked in the cold and dark - I wish it had never happened - but I can laugh too at the comedy of fate that would have that particular person get locked in that particular place - and then be apprehended by german authorities attempting to escape.

And I would be surprised if - having gotten over the ordeal - the people in question did not see the funny side too - as many of us do when bad things happen to us and we view them then in retrospect.

The human condition has elements that make it horrific and ludicrous at times. I am happy to embrace both with reason AND humour AND heart.

mad muffin wrote: »

I hightly doubt he thought it was funny.

By all means ask him in a couple of weeks. I highly doubt anyone with an appreciation for the ludicrous nature of life - the twists of fate - and irony - would fail to find it funny.

mad muffin wrote: »

I know AH is a bit lackadaisical. But this thread is just beyond the pale.

Would you like to be informed of the location of the exit? Unless there is some data I am missing - I assume you are under no compunction to be here?

mad muffin · 30-01-2015 01:37PM

You can spin it anyway you want. This thread is wrong and any right minded person knows it.

ChunkyLover54 · 30-01-2015 01:40PM

mad muffin wrote: »

WTF am I reading in this thread? Are you people totaly mentally deficient?
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Once you made your statement that the Irish collaborated with the Nazis, you lost a good deal of credibility.

30-01-2015 01:41PM

mad muffin wrote: »

You can spin it anyway you want. This thread is wrong and any right minded person knows it.

It's gas.

Duggy747 · 30-01-2015 01:41PM

mad muffin wrote: »

You can spin it anyway you want. This thread is wrong and any right minded person knows it.

You're the only one offended here, others know the difference of context, black humour and the irony of the situation.

30-01-2015 01:41PM

mad muffin wrote: »

You can spin it anyway you want. This thread is wrong and any right minded person knows it.

Ah the old "I can not argue my point - so I will just pretend right minded people agree with me" card. You forgot to declare it "common sense" while you were at it

I see nothing offensive on this thread at all - except perhaps Omackeral making a joke that was already made - keep up dude!

mad muffin · 30-01-2015 01:46PM

ChunkyLover54 wrote: »

Once you made your statement that the Irish collaborated with the Nazis, you lost a good deal of credibility.

What part of what I said was false?

ireland.man · 30-01-2015 01:50PM

How many potatoes does it take to kill an Irishman?

None.

Is the Holocaust eternally off-limits for humour or is it a matter of waiting some more time? Is it off-limits because of the scale? Is it because of the nature of the jokes here, the fact that people are using puns, that make them insensitive?

The fact is the Irish and the Jews are famous for sharing a particular type of gallows humour. There's a multitude of jokes from Jewish comedians about the Holocaust and it's obviously a way of coming to terms with an almost unimaginable evil. I wonder would those objecting to the humour in this thread also berate Mel Brooks for penning the song, 'Springtime for Hitler'?

crockholm · 30-01-2015 01:53PM

mad muffin wrote: »

What part of what I said was false?

If only my grand-uncle, who fought in Tobruk alongside many of your fellow countrymen,knew he was a crypto-nazi or nazi sympathizer

mad muffin · 30-01-2015 01:58PM

crockholm wrote: »

If only my grand-uncle, who fought in Tobruk alongside many of your fellow countrymen,knew he was a crypto-nazi or nazi sympathizer

You can be as facetious as you want. But you know exactly what I mean.

How long did it take for the Irish to aknowadge his sacrifice? I fought he was treated like a hero in his return.

NachoBusiness · 30-01-2015 02:01PM

cloud493 wrote: »

Got any evidence of that?

Always surprises me when people are shocked by the very suggestion of this. Would have thought it was pretty much common knowledge at this stage. The statue of Sean Russell has been vandalized quite a bit over the years because of some of his actions. The council even had to lower the right arm of it as many said it was much too close to being a Nazi'esque salute. I remember a few years back driving by it one day and someone had painted large swastikas either side of the monument on which the statue stands.

Balmed Out · 30-01-2015 02:04PM

NachoBusiness wrote: »

Always surprises me when people are shocked by the very suggestion of this. Would have thought it was pretty much common knowledge at this stage. The statue of Sean Russell has been vandalized quite a bit over the years because of some of his actions. The council even had to lower the right arm of it as many said it was much too close to being a Nazi'esque salute. I remember a few years back driving by it one day and someone had painted large swastikas either side of the monument on which the statue stands.

If someone says "the Irish collaborated with the NAZI's" one would assume they were referring to the Irish state and not a few republican malcontents. By that yardstick the British, American's, Russians, Polish etc. all collaborated with the NAZI's.

crockholm · 30-01-2015 02:10PM

mad muffin wrote: »

You can be as facetious as you want. But you know exactly what I mean.

How long did it take for the Irish to aknowadge his sacrifice? I fought he was treated like a hero in his return.

Nothing facetious at all- after the war he settled back in Australia,His sister (my grandmother) joined the land army and moved back to Ireland in 1947-without repercussion. (she got a medal posthumously in 1995)

These are Irish people in my immediate family who were not sympathetic to the nazis in any way.There are others in my family tree who did likewise,yet the sacrifices that they made mean nothing as you have a Point to prove.

mad muffin · 30-01-2015 02:12PM

Balmed Out wrote: »

If someone says "the Irish collaborated with the NAZI's" one would assume they were referring to the Irish state and not a few republican malcontents. By that yardstick the British, American's, Russians, Polish etc. all collaborated with the NAZI's.

The state certainly doesn't have a problem erecting a statue to commemorate such collaborations.

Arsemageddon · 30-01-2015 02:15PM

mad muffin wrote: »

The state certainly doesn't have a problem erecting a statue to commemorate such collaborations.

What statues?

What the fcuk are you talking about?

Are you actually going to give any actual examples of this 'collaboration' or are you just going to keep posting the same nonsense over and over again?

mad muffin · 30-01-2015 02:22PM

Arsemageddon wrote: »

What statues?

What the fcuk are you talking about?

Are you actually going to give any actual examples of this 'collaboration' or are you just going to keep posting the same nonsense over and over again?

I'm sure they taught you history in school. I don't see a need to give you a history lesson.

Mesrine65 · 30-01-2015 02:23PM

mad muffin wrote: »

I'm sure they taught you history in school. I don't see a need to give you a history lesson.

Enlighten us just the same please...

mad muffin · 30-01-2015 02:25PM

Mesrine65 wrote: »

Enlighten us just the same please...

Not going to happen. You can do your own googling.

Arsemageddon · 30-01-2015 02:27PM

mad muffin wrote: »

I'm sure they taught you history in school. I don't see a need to give you a history lesson.

Your the one making stupid comments without backing them up.

The only statue I know of is of Sean Russell in Fairview Park who died in the early years of WW2 on a U-boat after trying to get weapons for the IRA from Germany. This statue was not erected by the state.

If you have anything more than that I would love to hear it.

Turtwig · 30-01-2015 02:28PM

mad muffin wrote: »

Not going to happen. You can do your own googling.

You do understand that by trusting people to do their own googling you've no idea how tainted their sources will be. It's also no longer your opinion either. Just the opinion of someone else. In other words, it's a tacit admission that you haven't a leg to stand on.

Son Of A Vidic · 30-01-2015 02:29PM

mad muffin wrote: »

This thread is wrong and any right minded person knows it.

If anyone is perturbed by a particular topic, they can easily ignore the thread and skip past it if they so wish. Unless of course, they received a dictate from the Admins, forcing them to read the thread and post against their will.

mad muffin · 30-01-2015 02:30PM

Turtwig wrote: »

You do understand that by trusting people to do their own googling you've no idea how tainted their sources will be. It's also no longer your opinion either. Just the opinion of someone else. In other words, it's a tacit admission that you haven't a leg to stand on.

I'm sure you understand what history is.

Duggy747 · 30-01-2015 02:31PM

mad muffin wrote: »

Not going to happen. You can do your own googling.

You're here long enough so you should know that the onus isn't on others to seek out your claim, you make one you better provide sources or else people will make all sorts of conclusions.

Arsemageddon · 30-01-2015 02:31PM

mad muffin wrote: »

I'm sure you understand what history is.

....and it appears that you don't. You can't even give one example.

mad muffin · 30-01-2015 02:32PM

Arsemageddon wrote: »

Your the one making stupid comments without backing them up.

The only statue I know of is of Sean Russell in Fairview Park who died in the early years of WW2 on a U-boat after trying to get weapons for the IRA from Germany. This statue was not erected by the state.

If you have anything more than that I would love to hear it.

There's a statue of a nazi collaborator and Irish terrorist in a public place in Ireland.

I'm sure you understand what that means.

Is it ok to laugh at this

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