Judge renames child

K4t

A judge in Valenciennes, northern France, took a tough stance against a couple who tried to call their child Nutella in September 2014, after a "shocked" registrar reported their choice to the local prosecutor.

La Voix du Nord newspaper reported that the judge said giving the child "the name of a chocolate spread" was against the girl’s interests, as it “might lead to mockery and unpleasant remarks”. He also noted that the name Nutella is the official brand name of the chocolate spread product.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/french-parents-banned-from-naming-their-child-nutella-or-fraise-10003146.html


Is he also changing the names of all kids called Muhammad who face discrimination in France?

I wonder if the girl was a muslim would he have changed her religion so as to avoid any "mockery and unpleasant remarks"?

We may aswell just scrap names and go by our social security numbers so situations like this won't arise and we can eliminate bullying and offense completely.

Iwasfrozen

K4t wrote: »

A judge in Valenciennes, northern France, took a tough stance against a couple who tried to call their child Nutella in September 2014, after a "shocked" registrar reported their choice to the local prosecutor.

La Voix du Nord newspaper reported that the judge said giving the child "the name of a chocolate spread" was against the girl’s interests, as it “might lead to mockery and unpleasant remarks”. He also noted that the name Nutella is the official brand name of the chocolate spread product.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/french-parents-banned-from-naming-their-child-nutella-or-fraise-10003146.html


Is he also changing the names of all kids called Muhammad who face discrimination in France?

I wonder if the girl was a muslim would he have changed her religion so as to avoid any "mockery and unpleasant remarks"?

We may aswell just scrap names and go by our social security numbers so situations like this won't arise and we can eliminate bullying and offense completely.

Nutella is a retarded name. Don't be silly OP.

Manach

Somewhere a boy named Sue is finally happy.

Annasopra

They'd nickname the child Nutty

Honey Monster

Wow. Stunning OP. You should apply for a job at the daily Mail because I think you'd fit right in.

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K4t

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Nutella is a retarded name. Don't be silly OP.

It's a great name. Don't be silly.

Buzz Meeks

Good call there by Judge Kelkin.

degsie

So OP, what do YOU think?

Venus In Furs

K4t wrote: »

Is he also changing the names of all kids called Muhammad who face discrimination in France?

I wonder if the girl was a muslim would he have changed her religion so as to avoid any "mockery and unpleasant remarks"?

What is it with these rhetorical questions regarding a scenario that probably won't happen? No and no.
A religion isn't a name so not an honest comparison.

We may aswell just scrap names and go by our social security numbers so situations like this won't arise and we can eliminate bullying and offense completely.

Yeh, people taking offence is the problem rather than people being on the receiving end. And down with preventing easy targets for bullying.
What about that Talula Does The Hula From Hawaii kid? Sometimes the child with the actual name is more important than the principle about nobody having the right to be offended or whatever.

Let's not scrap names/go by social security numbers, let's just not be selfish enough to give a small kid a name that they'll be ashamed to say is theirs.

FunLover18

K4t wrote: »

A judge in Valenciennes, northern France, took a tough stance against a couple who tried to call their child Nutella in September 2014, after a "shocked" registrar reported their choice to the local prosecutor.

La Voix du Nord newspaper reported that the judge said giving the child "the name of a chocolate spread" was against the girl’s interests, as it “might lead to mockery and unpleasant remarks”. He also noted that the name Nutella is the official brand name of the chocolate spread product.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/french-parents-banned-from-naming-their-child-nutella-or-fraise-10003146.html


Is he also changing the names of all kids called Muhammad who face discrimination in France?

I wonder if the girl was a muslim would he have changed her religion so as to avoid any "mockery and unpleasant remarks"?

We may aswell just scrap names and go by our social security numbers so situations like this won't arise and we can eliminate bullying and offense completely.

I think Muslims would be more offended by the name of their prophet being compared to that of a chocolate spread.

Seriously OP, cop on.

dpofloinn

Over react much OP?

The other fella

K4t wrote: »

A judge in Valenciennes, northern France, took a tough stance against a couple who tried to call their child Nutella in September 2014, after a "shocked" registrar reported their choice to the local prosecutor.

La Voix du Nord newspaper reported that the judge said giving the child "the name of a chocolate spread" was against the girl’s interests, as it “might lead to mockery and unpleasant remarks”. He also noted that the name Nutella is the official brand name of the chocolate spread product.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/french-parents-banned-from-naming-their-child-nutella-or-fraise-10003146.html


Is he also changing the names of all kids called Muhammad who face discrimination in France?

I wonder if the girl was a muslim would he have changed her religion so as to avoid any "mockery and unpleasant remarks"?

We may aswell just scrap names and go by our social security numbers so situations like this won't arise and we can eliminate bullying and offense completely.

Your SSN should be kept private.Using it as your name is worse than calling your child Nutella.

Arbiter of Good Taste

Offended much OP?

Panthro

Nutella with bananas on toast is Fcukin secks.

Aint Eazy Being Cheezy

Her brother Marmite is gonna be devastated.

VandC

Panthro wrote:

Nutella with bananas on toast is Fcukin secks.

have it on a crepe! much better

Venus In Furs

Yeh OP how come it's ok for you to be offended?

vicwatson

Nutella is pants

The_Valeyard

Didn't someone call their child 'Facebook' 'hashtag' before?

FunLover18

K4t wrote: »

It's a great name. Don't be silly.

For a chocolate spread. For a person it's a really terrible name.

Miss Demeanour

Venus In Furs wrote: »

Yeh OP how come it's ok for you to be offended?

Shush you......leave poor Nutella alone......:-D

BlaasForRafa

K4t wrote: »

Is he also changing the names of all kids called Muhammad who face discrimination in France?

I wonder if the girl was a muslim would he have changed her religion so as to avoid any "mockery and unpleasant remarks"?

We may aswell just scrap names and go by our social security numbers so situations like this won't arise and we can eliminate bullying and offense completely.

Stupid analogies OP, you're really reaching to try and find offence.

Nutella is an incredibly stupid name and the judge was right to disallow it.

mad muffin

K4t wrote: »

A judge in Valenciennes, northern France, took a tough stance against a couple who tried to call their child Nutella in September 2014, after a "shocked" registrar reported their choice to the local prosecutor.

La Voix du Nord newspaper reported that the judge said giving the child "the name of a chocolate spread" was against the girl’s interests, as it “might lead to mockery and unpleasant remarks”. He also noted that the name Nutella is the official brand name of the chocolate spread product.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/french-parents-banned-from-naming-their-child-nutella-or-fraise-10003146.html


Is he also changing the names of all kids called Muhammad who face discrimination in France?

I wonder if the girl was a muslim would he have changed her religion so as to avoid any "mockery and unpleasant remarks"?

We may aswell just scrap names and go by our social security numbers so situations like this won't arise and we can eliminate bullying and offense completely.

Why so upset Kfourt? Don't you wish someone intervened when your parents named you Kfourt?

Foggy Jew

I blame Bob Geldof.

BlaasForRafa

Foggy Jew wrote: »

I blame Bob Geldof.

I blame Moon Unit Zappa

K4t

Venus In Furs wrote: »

Yeh, people taking offence is the problem rather than people being on the receiving end. And down with preventing easy targets for bullying.
What about that Talula Does The Hula From Hawaii kid? Sometimes the child with the actual name is more important than the principle about nobody having the right to be offended or whatever.

Bullying will always exist. And people being offended will always exist. No law or ruling by a judge will ever change this. Who is to say the name Ella will not have very different connotations by the time this child is a teenager? Will she just have to change her name again? Or be forced to by a judge?

Let's not scrap names/go by social security numbers, let's just not be selfish enough to give a small kid a name that they'll be ashamed to say is theirs.

You, like the apparently all knowing judge, are assuming that 1) the child will automatically be bullied because of her name and 2) the child will be ashamed of her name. Are you both psychics?

Arbiter of Good Taste wrote: »

Offended much OP?

Disappointed in a country that very recently was being hailed by the world as a defender of freedom of expression.

Venus In Furs

K4t wrote: »

Who is to say the name Ella will not have very different connotations by the time this child is a teenager? Will she just have to change her name again? Or be forced to by a judge?

I don't know?

You, like the apparently all knowing judge, are assuming that 1) the child will automatically be bullied because of her name and 2) the child will be ashamed of her name. Are you both psychics?

We're considering strong likelihoods rather than pretending they aren't reality.

Disappointed in a country that very recently was being hailed by the world as a defender of freedom of expression.

Freedom of expression that affects someone else who has no say in it ftw!

Some folks will resort to any auld rubbish to defend this "free speech" thing they imagine exists.

the groutch

They should have called her Maxine Power.

K4t

Venus In Furs wrote: »

Some folks will resort to any auld rubbish to defend this "free speech" thing they imagine exists.

You only realise the most important things in life when they are gone.


#JeSuisNutella

Aint Eazy Being Cheezy

K4t wrote: »

#JeSuisNutella

:eek:

Venus In Furs

K4t wrote: »

You only realise the most important things in life when they are gone.

There has never been free speech anyway

And surely imposing expression on someone (in this case a name on a child that they're very likely to be miserable with) is the exact opposite to freedom of speech?

moc moc a moc

K4t wrote: »

Disappointed in a country that very recently was being hailed by the world as a defender of freedom of expression.

Had the parents tried to change their own names to those of delicious snacks, then that would have been an example of freedom of expression. Attempting to name their helpless child in such a ridiculous manner, however, is not much short of psychological abuse.

K4t wrote: »

You only realise the most important things in life when they are gone.

Such as (for example) a person's chance to go through childhood without being teased because of a ridiculous name?

bodice ripper

My first name is a brand name. Childhood was bull****. Made me the narky bitch I am today. So the was a silver lining.

Venus In Furs

bodice ripper wrote: »

My first name is a brand name... silver lining.

KitKat?

bodice ripper

Venus In Furs wrote: »

KitKat?

Nope.

MarkAnthony

Someone once told me I couldn't please everyone, I wasn't a jar of Nutella. This poor kid has been denied their opportunity! :pac:

endacl

That judge did the child a favour. Nutella is a hazelnut spread. Or 'noisette' in French, which in turn is a slang term in France for...

... well, let's just say the French invented the bidet in order to deal with intimate 'noisette' removal...

K4t

Venus In Furs wrote: »

And surely imposing expression on someone (in this case a name on a child that they're very likely to be miserable with) is the exact opposite to freedom of speech?

Again you're making a massive assumption that the child will be "miserable" with that name. All parents impose expression on their kids. So she has a new, 'normal' name. Great. Say the child also had a lisp, should a judge order the child be given therapy to cure said lisp? Say the child is taught by her parents to use vulgar language, should a judge order the parents to unlearn their child of those words? Say the child is taught to write with her left hand, should a judge order the parents to teach her to write with her right?

moc moc a moc wrote: »

Attempting to name their helpless child in such a ridiculous manner, however, is not much short of psychological abuse.

And what if they raise their child not to judge others by trivial things such as a person's name and to simply shrug off or ignore those who do? Are the parents of kids who would bully someone because of their name not in fact the ones who have engaged in some form of psychological abuse along the way?

Such as (for example) a person's chance to go through childhood without being teased because of a ridiculous name?

And what if the same child is teased anyway? What if she is bullied and commits suicide like so many young people with perfectly "normal" names have done? Do we celebrate the fact that at least she had an acceptable name? It'll look better on the headstone I suppose.

liam24

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

They'd nickname the child Nutty

Nutty means beautiful in French.

ezra_pound

I'm going to name my next child panda after my favourite chocolate spread.

Omackeral

The Cunning Linguist wrote: »

:eek:

I'm not easily shocked, but that just seems really inappropriate. You're linking a child's name to a tragedy where people died, man.

It's satire. It's ok. Either everything's ok or nothing is! :P

Nutella is only slightly worse than all the Kayden, Jayden and Braydens running around. Little 5 year old lads with pornstar names.

Venus In Furs

K4t wrote: »

Again you're making a massive assumption that the child will be "miserable" with that name.

I'm saying it's very likely, which it is.

Say the child also had a lisp, should a judge order the child be given therapy to cure said lisp? Say the child is taught by her parents to use vulgar language, should a judge order the parents to unlearn their child of those words? Say the child is taught to write with her left hand, should a judge order the parents to teach her to write with her right?

What's with all these poor analogies? A lisp is not imposed by parents, a judge can't know about swearing in the home, being left-handed is not imposed by parents, and isn't even a blip on the radar these days.

And what if they raise their child not to judge others by trivial things such as a person's name and to simply shrug off or ignore those who do? Are the parents of kids who would bully someone because of their name not in fact the ones who have engaged in some form of psychological abuse along the way?

And what if the same child is teased anyway? What if she is bullied and commits suicide like so many young people with perfectly "normal" names have done? Do we celebrate the fact that at least she had an acceptable name? It'll look better on the headstone I suppose.

No we don't. The rhetorical questions and putting words into people's mouths is poor standard. If a child is bullied anyway, then people don't think "Well at least they had a normal name" - don't be so facetious.
Does this REALLY bother you? I don't think it does and you're looking for attention/arguing for the sake of it.
Good luck!

K4t

Venus In Furs wrote: »

I'm saying it's very likely, which it is.

What's with all these poor analogies? A lisp is not imposed by parents, a judge can't know about swearing in the home, being left-handed is not imposed by parents, and isn't even a blip on the radar these days.

No we don't. The rhetorical questions and putting words into people's mouths is poor standard. If a child is bullied anyway, then people don't think "Well at least they had a normal name" - don't be so facetious.
Does this REALLY bother you? I don't think it does and you're looking for attention/arguing for the sake of it.
Good luck!

What I'm trying to say is that your name does not define you or come even close to doing so. How you are raised and how you behave towards others is what defines a person. A judge coming along and saying that a child's name is going to have such a huge impact on her life that it is necessary to use the law and his power to change that name to something that he feels is more normal or acceptable is ridiculous to me. And it astonishes me that so many agree with the decision, and the fact that he was allowed make it.


Would I call my own child nutella? Probably not. But I'd never want another parent to not be allowed do so. And I'd raise my own children never to bully another child. That is how society should work, and the society we should strive for. And we can get there, but not with decisions like this.

Venus In Furs

Fair enough. Sorry for the "you're looking for attention/arguing for the sake of it" thing.
Yes, what you refer to is the ideal, and a judge making such a decision is overkill I think too, but calling your child something ludicrous for the craic is unfair on the child (nobody else) IMO. Even if it doesn't lead to bullying (which it may not) it could cause the child to feel self-conscious and embarrassed, no matter how much their parents have imbued them with values about how they shouldn't care what others think.

Andy-Pandy

I've never tried nutella

Aubrey loves Joe

Can't see the name nutella spreading to here

AlanS181824

Nutella, poor child!

tayto lover

K4t wrote: »

It's a great name. Don't be silly.

Well my son Figroll hates the name Nutella.

pickarooney

I bought a jar of speculoos spread for my crepes. It's fantastic.

K4t

Venus In Furs wrote: »

Fair enough. Sorry for the "you're looking for attention/arguing for the sake of it" thing.
Yes, what you refer to is the ideal, and a judge making such a decision is overkill I think too, but calling your child something ludicrous for the craic is unfair on the child (nobody else) IMO. Even if it doesn't lead to bullying (which it may not) it could cause the child to feel self-conscious and embarrassed, no matter how much their parents have imbued them with values about how they shouldn't care what others think.

Fair enough, but again you're making a lot of assumptions.


At the end of the day, this girl's parents went slightly against the norm and attempted to be original in the name they chose for their new born daughter. On the scale of crazy names, Nutella doesn't even come close to the extreme end of things imo. It sounds quite nice in fact and if you repeat it out loud a few times you can imagine a little girl in front of you rather than a jar of nutella. That to me is something amazing and displays the beauty of language and human endeavour.

strobe

I think this sh1t is bollox. Let the parents name the kids what they want. Maybe if they name it "Dirty Ugly Sh1tface Niggger*" then you can query it. But 'Nutella', or 'Lego' or 'Rose', go fvck yourself. Mind your own business. I knew a kid named Razor growing up and another named Gretta, they got on grand. Keep your fvcking nose out.

"Oh but they might get teased about it!??!?!?!??!!" So what? A lad I went to school with was called Simon. Got called Garfunkel til he was about 16 and asked where Mrs Robinson was.