Newbie runners

sillysocks

So today I did an organized run as pretty much a beginner. It was only 5k, but only back at running since the start of January. I've started to run maybe 10 or 20 times but never get comfortable with it so still at the stage where running 5k is even a struggle. Managed today in 35 mins which I was happy with but left me in about 10th last for the race!

Was curious as I was running around though what 'real runners' think about beginners like me in a race. When you've finished after maybe 20 minutes do you just think why are they bothering, or would you have admiration for people trying who aren't really fully able yet? Do you think they're just getting in the way (hopefully no one likene would be up the very front of a starting line!) or do you think fair play?

Years ago when running 'races' I hated that most of the field was passing me by, now I've matured and am almost immune to it and run my old way. But was curious as to what people'shonest thoughts are when there's slow/beginners in races too.

PVincent

Runners are the most supportive group of sports people that you are ever likely to meet. In my experience they will encourage every last runner , in facts even more than they would encourage an elite athlete. We all get uptight with runners who start races in the wrong place, and a lot of the time that can be inexperience, but I don't know any runner who would ever have the view that slower runners are wasting their time. So drop that thought, and think positive. Anyone who runs is a runner!

menoscemo

No-one minds slow or beginner runners once they have correct race etiquette. I.E. they don't start at the front blocking faster runners and/or don't run 5-6 abreast blocking people coming from behind.

Other than that I doubt 'real runners' as you call them pass much remarks on any other runners at all. I am not a top of the field runner and have never felt anyone looked down on me. I think people at the back of the pack have a paranoia that people are laughing at them which is completely unfounded. It all comes down to your own self confidence.

Ososlo

But almost everyone was a slow beginner at some point! Nobody really starts out being super fast! There are so many people here who would have done their first 5k in 35 mins or slower and are now the sub 20 min people through hard work and consistency. I don't believe there's one person here or in the race you did today who would have any issues with slower runners running a race. Everyone's slower than someone else at the race except for the guy/gal coming first.

It's all relative! The guy/gal winning the race might be doing it in 15.xx so would he/she think the guy/gal doing it in 19.xx was 'getting in the way'? I doubt it.
Similarly the guy/gal running sub 20 wouldn't think you were getting in the way unless you were physically in the wrong place starting the race.

pconn062

sillysocks wrote: »

So today I did an organized run as pretty much a beginner. It was only 5k, but only back at running since the start of January. I've started to run maybe 10 or 20 times but never get comfortable with it so still at the stage where running 5k is even a struggle. Managed today in 35 mins which I was happy with but left me in about 10th last for the race!

Was curious as I was running around though what 'real runners' think about beginners like me in a race. When you've finished after maybe 20 minutes do you just think why are they bothering, or would you have admiration for people trying who aren't really fully able yet? Do you think they're just getting in the way (hopefully no one likene would be up the very front of a starting line!) or do you think fair play?

Years ago when running 'races' I hated that most of the field was passing me by, now I've matured and am almost immune to it and run my old way. But was curious as to what people'shonest thoughts are when there's slow/beginners in races too.

No one cares, the same way you don't care about anyone slower than you.

sillysocks

It's hard to imagine when you're starting off the the people flying by around you ever struggled with their runs!

Would always be conscious of blocking anyone esp when I'm aware I'm very slow.

Havut I did care about the people behind me cause I was conscious of my main aim today of not to be last just about made it.

I was just wondering whether genuinely and honestly people would be a bit sneery to people so slowly whether the general attitude would be fair play.

Whenever I've gone to support at races I actually would have more admiration for people at the back who'd struggle most of the way round and who had to really push through their own barriers to get there (even though I'm sure the 'better' runners are pushing hard too!)

eviltwin

My first ever event was the Operation Transformation 5k three years ago. I'd never run a full 5k and went for this as I knew there would be people of all shapes and sizes and the atmosphere and support along the way got me over the line. I was chuffed. Instantly deflated though by some guy handing out flyers for some 10k event telling me "you think that was special, that's nothing". I thought it was very rude and uncalled for.

I've never met anyone like that though since. I did a half marathon a few years ago and was seriously struggling by about mile 10, I was ready to give up tbh and this guy stopped and walked with me and talked me over the hump. I've never forgotten that guy, he represents to me everything that is amazing about running and runners.

Sure there are some idiots who will always say you should be better and faster rather than allow you to enjoy the moment but they are rare. Keep doing what you are doing and feck anyone else.

Ososlo

sillysocks wrote: »

Whenever I've gone to support at races I actualltwouldmost have more admiration for people at the back who'd struggle most of the way round and who had to really push through their own barriers to get there (even though I'm sure the 'better' runners are pushing hard too!)

This brings me back! When I started running a few years ago I used to think it was so much easier for the faster people in races.

Now I know it's painful for everyone who's putting in 100% whether they be 35 min runners or 15 min runners. The guys/gals at the very top are probably going through worse pain but they can just deal with it better through experience/practice in training.

The Buster

sillysocks wrote: »

Havut I did care about the people behind me cause I was conscious of my main aim today of not to be last just about made it.

Try to get this thought out of your head. So what if you are last. If the people behind you had the same mindset then they wouldn't have run and you would have been last!

I'm one of the slow runners. Did first parkrun in August and took me 37:00. Now just over 30:00 and aim for next few weeks is to break that barrier! The encouragement I receive every week from the runners who are heading back to their car after finishing well ahead of me is unreal. I don't think they think I am wasting my time.

Don't worry about what other think. Just concentrate on improving your PB!

eviltwin

I was last in my first ever Parkrun. Didn't care. Someone has to be Its not a race, its about getting over the line, doesn't matter if you are in the first wave or bringing up the rear.

sillysocks

Sorry didn't mean to look down on whoever came last , but for me I needed an aim today, and I knew from looking at the times of previous runs I wouldn't be far off so used that as my aim. I was still delighted with the time for me, as I'm sure we're the people before and after me but its harder when you're running in and realize 500 odd people have run in ahead and are already on their way home! But I know I still beat however many people were at home still in bed so am not discouraged!

harr

Have only started to run in the last 3 weeks in a park run near me...the support I got from the more expert runners has been fab everything from pase,breathing and what footwear to get. The run always has a field of under 20 and every week most people regardless of position have waited for the last person to finish.
With advice and help along the way I have gone from 31 minutes in first run down to 23 minutes in run three.

P_Fitz

I always have the height of respect when i see a new runner out on the road. It can't be easy, for say, a middle aged person who is overweight going out on their own and struggling to run at all. That takes a lot of guts.

I do kinda look down on one type of newbie.

The one who has spent a fortune just so he can tell the others around the water cooler at work how that he did 10km. The most expensive runners, top of the range Garmin, a heart rate monitor that he doesn't know how to use so it stays in the box and so on.

That has nothing to do with speed or ability. It's just the extravagance. I have the same views on those who spend hundreds on North Face gear to amble up Carrauntoohil.

The rest, particularly the heaviest or slowest, get nothing but my admiration. It takes more strength of character to do any run at the back of the field. We were all there once...I hoped I might moved further away from it by now than I actually have!

RacoonQueen

eviltwin wrote: »

Instantly deflated though by some guy handing out flyers for some 10k event telling me "you think that was special, that's nothing". I thought it was very rude and uncalled for.

Sorry, I don't understand. Why did you feel that was rude? Sounds very encouraging to me?

MrMacPhisto

Deleted User wrote: »

I do kinda look down on one type of newbie.

The one who has spent a fortune just so he can tell the others around the water cooler at work how that he did 10km. The most expensive runners, top of the range Garmin, a heart rate monitor that he doesn't know how to use so it stays in the box and so on.

That has nothing to do with speed or ability. It's just the extravagance. I have the same views on those who spend hundreds on North Face gear to amble up Carrauntoohil.

The rest, particularly the heaviest or slowest, get nothing but my admiration. It takes more strength of character to do any run at the back of the field. We were all there once...I hoped I might moved further away from it by now than I actually have!

All hail the king. Each to their own. If somebody wants that gear, why shouldn't they get it?

P_Fitz

RacoonQueen wrote: »

Sorry, I don't understand. Why did you feel that was rude? Sounds very encouraging to me?

The runner had worked very hard to achieve that goal and the person with the flyer was making light of it. I wouldn't be impressed either.

Darren 83

sillysocks wrote: »

So today I did an organized run as pretty much a beginner. It was only 5k, but only back at running since the start of January. I've started to run maybe 10 or 20 times but never get comfortable with it so still at the stage where running 5k is even a struggle. Managed today in 35 mins which I was happy with but left me in about 10th last for the race!

Was curious as I was running around though what 'real runners' think about beginners like me in a race. When you've finished after maybe 20 minutes do you just think why are they bothering, or would you have admiration for people trying who aren't really fully able yet? Do you think they're just getting in the way (hopefully no one likene would be up the very front of a starting line!) or do you think fair play?

Years ago when running 'races' I hated that most of the field was passing me by, now I've matured and am almost immune to it and run my old way. But was curious as to what people'shonest thoughts are when there's slow/beginners in races too.

Only a 5k ? Some people wouldn't run that in there life time.

I have nothing but adminration for people starting out running, the start and finish line is the same for every runner regardless of the time achieved .

dintbo

Put in 100% effort, know where to start and respect everyone in the race, runners stewards RD etc. Do these things and nobody can take your achievement away from you. I'm very much a 'back of the mid pack' runner but like to stay on for a bit and cheer on those who come after.

RacoonQueen

P_Fitz wrote: »

The runner had worked very hard to achieve that goal and the person with the flyer was making light of it. I wouldn't be impressed either.

No he wasn't. He was saying, if you enjoyed that, wait till you try a 10k...you will love it.

Sounds like looking to be offended where no offence is intended. From what was posted here it doesn't sounds like he was in any way making light of it.

ultraman1

Love Seeing runners out starting out,especially at races...

kit3

P_Fitz wrote: »

I always have the height of respect when i see a new runner out on the road. It can't be easy, for say, a middle aged person who is overweight going out on their own and struggling to run at all. That takes a lot of guts.

+1 I've started a couch to 5k with a group of parents from the school (all women late 30s /40s) who insisted that they could walk no problem but could never run. Only entering week 3 so early days but so far no bother to them

DubOnHoliday

I started a group in work there are 7 to 8 people running lunchtimes Tuesday and Thursday, some have never run before. Very happy to see people enjoying themselves and talking about their run afterwards.

BeepBeep67

I'm informally coaching a group of couch to 5k'rs in work, some started this time last year and have kept it up, had my 1st sub 20 yesterday
Also give online advice to a group from Hyderabad.

eviltwin

RacoonQueen wrote: »

No he wasn't. He was saying, if you enjoyed that, wait till you try a 10k...you will love it.

Sounds like looking to be offended where no offence is intended. From what was posted here it doesn't sounds like he was in any way making light of it.

How do you know what he meant? He wasn't encouraging, he was sneering. Plenty of others were handing out flyers with a well done, see if you might want to work towards this attitude. And that is encouraging. This guy was approaching new runners feeling delighted with their achievements and telling us it was nothing special because it was only a 5k. I wasn't offended but I did find it rude.

MrMacPhisto

MrMacPhisto wrote: »

All hail the king. Each to their own. If somebody wants that gear, why shouldn't they get it?

Checked my post again and, as I thought, I never said they can't get it.

They can and they do.

Maybe you meant to respond to someone else and call them "the King"?

sillysocks

It's nice to hear it's hard for others too! Sometimes when you see others out running they look like its no problem to them and you feel like every step is a chore.
Would love to be able to take it down to 30 mins for the five km but know that'll take patience....which is where my downfall has been before. About 4 months of running is as long as I've stuck at it, then I give up and have to start from scratch again when I decide to start trying again!

RacoonQueen

eviltwin wrote: »

How do you know what he meant? He wasn't encouraging, he was sneering. Plenty of others were handing out flyers with a well done, see if you might want to work towards this attitude. And that is encouraging. This guy was approaching new runners feeling delighted with their achievements and telling us it was nothing special because it was only a 5k. I wasn't offended but I did find it rude.

Getting a bit defensive there, from what you posted it didn't sound at all like he was sneering...I don't know who it was or what the race he was handing out fliers for but I seriously doubt he was sneering. Just my opinion. Perhaps you took him up completely wrong.

eviltwin

RacoonQueen wrote: »

Getting a bit defensive there, from what you posted it didn't sound at all like he was sneering...I don't know who it was or what the race he was handing out fliers for but I seriously doubt he was sneering. Just my opinion. Perhaps you took him up completely wrong.

Maybe I did. Maybe he thought he was being very encouraging. I just posted my impression of him and the way it made me feel. The person I ran with, an experienced runner, also thought his manner was off. Remember this was the Operation Transformation run, a lot of those people would never have run before. I think it was the wrong approach but some people might like that kind of thing. It doesn't take much effort to say well done to someone.

kit3

sillysocks wrote: »

It's nice to hear it's hard for others too! Sometimes when you see others out running they look like its no problem to them and you feel like every step is a chore.
Would love to be able to take it down to 30 mins for the five km but know that'll take patience....which is where my downfall has been before. About 4 months of running is as long as I've stuck at it, then I give up and have to start from scratch again when I decide to start trying again!

Just keep running & the time will fall naturally. I have a run that I do from work at lunch time. When I started out it would take me 60 mins or so. Now it takes 45/46 mins. Keep going - you'll never regret it

yantz

eviltwin wrote: »

Maybe I did. Maybe he thought he was being very encouraging. I just posted my impression of him and the way it made me feel. The person I ran with, an experienced runner, also thought his manner was off. Remember this was the Operation Transformation run, a lot of those people would never have run before. I think it was the wrong approach but some people might like that kind of thing. It doesn't take much effort to say well done to someone.

I've seen this kind of thing before. I got sneered at in Raheny just this past weekend by a "club runner" for wearing a Runner's Support Page T-Shirt. There does seem to be elitism amongst the fast runners.

AuldManKing

yantz wrote: »

I've seen this kind of thing before. I got sneered at in Raheny just this past weekend by a "club runner" for wearing a Runner's Support Page T-Shirt. There does seem to be elitism amongst the fast runners.

I think you get idiots in all walks of life, some runners are idiots and elitist, most aren't.

pconn062

yantz wrote: »

I've seen this kind of thing before. I got sneered at in Raheny just this past weekend by a "club runner" for wearing a Runner's Support Page T-Shirt. There does seem to be elitism amongst the fast runners.

Pretty generalised comment there.

kit3

yantz wrote: »

There does seem to be elitism amongst the fast runners.

Plenty of fast runners on here who are absolutely encouraging to people of all abilities. Don't think you can generalise like that.

dublin runner

What is a 'fast runner'? Is that how you describe athletes faster than yourself? Pretty general if it is. Once again the elitist term gets thrown around.

Talk about pigeonholing people.

tunguska

RacoonQueen wrote: »

Sorry, I don't understand. Why did you feel that was rude? Sounds very encouraging to me?

Im glad somebody said it because I was thinking, how is that a sneering comment????? What that guy said sounded encouraging to me, like just wait til you get to run a 10k, you'll enjoy that even more. Hmmm I think some people just interpret anything as a put down or dig when its nothing of the sort. It says more about them and their view of themselves than anything anybody else has to say.

yantz

AuldManKing wrote: »

I think you get idiots in all walks of life, some runners are idiots and elitist, most aren't.

All I know was there was a guy on the side at Raheny who was openly heckling RSP members and yelling abuse. Sad really but speaks to the elitist attitude I've seen w/ the boy racers.

adrian522

Yelling abuse? I must have missed that. I've never seen nor heard of anything like that at a race in Ireland.

eviltwin

tunguska wrote: »

Im glad somebody said it because I was thinking, how is that a sneering comment????? What that guy said sounded encouraging to me, like just wait til you get to run a 10k, you'll enjoy that even more. Hmmm I think some people just interpret anything as a put down or dig when its nothing of the sort. It says more about them and their view of themselves than anything anybody else has to say.

Maybe you had to be there. Every 5k I've run there have been people handing out flyers usually with a well done and a smile. I think that is very important especially for an event that attracts a lot of new runners. To be told when you're bent over feeling like you're dying that it was only a 5k and nothing special did take the gloss off a little. Maybe it does say more about me but that was my experience at the time.

PaulieC

yantz wrote: »

All I know was there was a guy on the side at Raheny who was openly heckling RSP members and yelling abuse. Sad really but speaks to the elitist attitude I've seen w/ the boy racers.

What is RSP ? Is it a club ? I can't see anything that matches those initials in AI.

pistol_75

PaulieC wrote: »

What is RSP ? Is it a club ? I can't see anything that matches those initials in AI.

It's a group on Facebook :rolleyes: Probably better to leave it at that

yantz

PaulieC wrote: »

What is RSP ? Is it a club ? I can't see anything that matches those initials in AI.

It is the Runners Support Page on Facebook. It may not be a proper club in your eyes but has hundreds of members who support each other, however fast or slow they may be. To clarify the story I was telling earlier- there was a guy at the top of the hill actively targeting people in our t-shirts and calling us fat p£@ks and the like.not on and really left a bad taste.

eviltwin

yantz wrote: »

It is the Runners Support Page on Facebook. It may not be a proper club in your eyes but has hundreds of members who support each other, however fast or slow they may be. To clarify the story I was telling earlier- there was a guy at the top of the hill actively targeting people in our t-shirts and calling us fat p£@ks and the like.not on and really left a bad taste.

I started running when I was 5st overweight. I had plenty of those comments from a-holes in the park or street so it doesn't surprise me. Surprised to hear about it at a proper event though.

PaulieC

yantz wrote: »

It is the Runners Support Page on Facebook. It may not be a proper club in your eyes but has hundreds of members who support each other, however fast or slow they may be. To clarify the story I was telling earlier- there was a guy at the top of the hill actively targeting people in our t-shirts and calling us fat p£@ks and the like.not on and really left a bad taste.

I assumed it was a club because you said someone was heckling the "members"

pconn062

yantz wrote: »

It is the Runners Support Page on Facebook. It may not be a proper club in your eyes but has hundreds of members who support each other, however fast or slow they may be. To clarify the story I was telling earlier- there was a guy at the top of the hill actively targeting people in our t-shirts and calling us fat p£@ks and the like.not on and really left a bad taste.

eviltwin wrote: »

I started running when I was 5st overweight. I had plenty of those comments from a-holes in the park or street so it doesn't surprise me. Surprised to hear about it at a proper event though.

Yeah but what have these events got to do with club or "fast" runners? What you both stumbled upon there is called a "prick". They exist in all walks of life, if an accountant gave me abuse I would assume that he was just a said prick, I wouldn't make the leap that you've made that all accountants are pricks and prone to shouting abuse.

dublin runner

eviltwin wrote: »

I started running when I was 5st overweight. I had plenty of those comments from a-holes in the park or street so it doesn't surprise me. Surprised to hear about it at a proper event though.

Everyone gets shouted at now and again, whether slim or overweight. It happens and is annoying but it's very rare in my opinion. You learn to grow a thick skin and move on.

HelenAnne

yantz wrote: »

It is the Runners Support Page on Facebook. It may not be a proper club in your eyes but has hundreds of members who support each other, however fast or slow they may be. To clarify the story I was telling earlier- there was a guy at the top of the hill actively targeting people in our t-shirts and calling us fat p£@ks and the like.not on and really left a bad taste.

That's awful. I'm sure you didn't have time to check as you were racing past, but I hope he wasn't a Raheny club member? Was he in Raheny gear? (I'd say most of the club were much to busy volunteering to be heckling like that, but if it WAS a club member I'd pass it on to the committee as I know the club would really not like that.)

Whenever I've raced in Raheny (like at the Winter league etc) I'm always amused to see that the nice encouraging shouts are reserved for middle-of-the-pack types like me, and those behind me, while the fast runners at the front get much more brutal encouragement like 'Get the finger out' and 'It's a RACE not a sponsored walk!'

yantz

HelenAnne wrote: »

That's awful. I'm sure you didn't have time to check as you were racing past, but I hope he wasn't a Raheny club member? Was he in Raheny gear? (I'd say most of the club were much to busy volunteering to be heckling like that, but if it WAS a club member I'd pass it on to the committee as I know the club would really not like that.)

Whenever I've raced in Raheny (like at the Winter league etc) I'm always amused to see that the nice encouraging shouts are reserved for middle-of-the-pack types like me, and those behind me, while the fast runners at the front get much more brutal encouragement like 'Get the finger out' and 'It's a RACE not a sponsored walk!'

I don't know what club he was in. He was yelling stuff like "Hey fattie- nice shirt! its all good though because Brian O'Driscoll is considered overweight" and also "being fat is my superpower" then sniggering and laughing. Pathetic

tunguska

yantz wrote: »

To clarify the story I was telling earlier- there was a guy at the top of the hill actively targeting people in our t-shirts and calling us fat p£@ks and the like.not on and really left a bad taste.

Just so I understand correctly, Somebody, who was a club runner, was standing at the top of the hill in Raheny during the 5 mile race, surrounded by other specatators, called you a fat pr**k?
To me that seems incredible because the other spectators would be all over someone like that in an instant, theres no way he'd be let away with that.

yantz

tunguska wrote: »

Just so I understand correctly, Somebody, who was a club runner, was standing at the top of the hill in Raheny during the 5 mile race, surrounded by other specatators, called you a fat pr**k?
To me that seems incredible because the other spectators would be all over someone like that in an instant, theres no way he'd be let away with that.

Look. Forget it. Not trying to cause a fuss. I have no idea if they were a club runner or not. It was merely a story I heard from a few of the RSP gals. I just was trying to highlight the kind of obsticles us newbies often face.

_Jumper_

Was he at the top of a hill so people would be to tired to slap him?? lol.

Oh i hate big hills.