How will you vote in the Marriage Equality referendum? Mod Note Post 1

mikemac1

No matter if it's on a Thursday or a Saturday I always read comments from students on boards claiming a conspiracy to exclude them.

If ye will be away from home for exams then if you don't register it's your own fault

Lots of time left to sort this

Most referundums don't crack 50% and a lot who voted on the poll won't vote either.

Ave Sodalis

mikemac1 wrote: »

No matter if it's on a Thursday or a Saturday I always read comments from students on boards claiming a conspiracy to exclude them.

If ye will be away from home for exams then if you don't register it's your own fault

Lots of time left to sort this

Actually not really, and exams are something I'm really worried about. I'm in my final year and live seven hours away from home. My exams this year are very important and I will most likely be doing my FYP up until exams. I'm really hoping I don't have an exam on the day of voting because then I can't vote, even if I reregister.

ohbygod

Im voting yes. Ive been with my with my partner for 4 years and im dying to marry her. We should all have the right to be equal

Annasopra

sup_dude wrote: »

Actually not really, and exams are something I'm really worried about. I'm in my final year and live seven hours away from home. My exams this year are very important and I will most likely be doing my FYP up until exams. I'm really hoping I don't have an exam on the day of voting because then I can't vote, even if I reregister.

Yes you can. You can do a postal vote!!!!!

It pisses me off that students moan they cant vote when postal votes are available.

Ave Sodalis

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

You can do a postal vote!!!!!

You can? Tell me more!

Annasopra

sup_dude wrote: »

You can? Tell me more!

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/government_in_ireland/elections_and_referenda/voting/registering_to_vote.html#leb892

Johngoose

I'll be voting Leo Varadkar for Taoiseach and Gerry Buttimer for Tanaiste.:-)

DeJa VooDoo

Johngoose wrote: »

I'll be voting Leo Varadkar for Taoiseach and Gerry Buttimer for Tanaiste.:-)

No you won't.
That's not how it works......

Flem31

DeJa VooDoo wrote: »

No you won't.
That's not how it works......

not yet anyway

Johngoose

Flem31 wrote: »

not yet anyway

I wonder did they ever kiss after too many €2.50 pints in the Dail bar?

Johngoose

Johngoose wrote: »

I wonder did they ever kiss after too many €2.50 pints in the Dail bar?

Leo Varadkar and Jerry Buttimer that is...

Flem31

Johngoose wrote: »

I wonder did they ever kiss after too many €2.50 pints in the Dail bar?

Pints only 2.50 in a D2 establishment.....below cost selling ?

TheBeardedLady

There's no date set yet, isn't there not?

Sonics2k

180Bhoy wrote: »

I think I'm homophobic. I mean the thoughts of two men kissing ect absolutely sickens me. Yock! But Il still vote yes as it's not my business what other people do. They should have the choice to marry if it will make them happy. Equality for all.

To be fair, this is a good way of looking at it. I'm about as aroused by the thought of two men having sex as the idea of watching Roseanne Barr have sex with Danny deVito, but I'm not going to stop them getting married if they wanted to.

Lau2976

Venus In Furs wrote: »

Which issues? "We" certainly don't skim over abortion for instance.
I don't understand still how this would cause reservations with regard to voting yes on this particular issue.

I certainly disagree that the state hasn't skimmed over abortion, they passed a bill that they thought would placate the masses but still didn't actually get to the issue. But this isn't only about abortion.

Euthanasia? the rights of asylum seekers? Adoption rights? To name the few that come to mind right now.

smokingman

RobertKK wrote: »

People on the Yes side and people on the No side are getting paid here.

It is a decent earner. I get paid directly to my bank account.

I've been out on the town with an owner of a company like what you work for and it was a fascinating experience. He was totally apolitical with no strong opinion on anything other than figuring out what exactly was the root of different demographics prejudices so he could "get good" at his job.
That, and money....

suicide_circus

There'll be some craic in panty bar on the night if this passes

Annasopra

TheBeardedLady wrote: »

There's no date set yet, isn't there not?

Either May 1st or 8th is the rumour

Manach

No. This will be done in the marriage referendum, in defence of marriage. Just marriage and not traditional marriage because the definition of such does not need adjectives the same way a triangle or square need be re-named to differentiate a 4-sides triangle or round square.

Johngoose

Should there be a clause that both men should be virgins on their wedding day?

Whosthis

I was all for same sex marriage, then with all the talk and jibber jabber about it in recent time I thought I had an argument against it, now I've done a little research and defeated the argument so now I'm all for it again.

Its interesting that the no side had managed to muddy the waters for me by bringing gay adoption into the discussion when this will have nothing to do with the referendum.

edit: Just to clarify, its not gay adoption in particular I have an issue with. I don't believe singletons should be adopting either, gay or straight. The concept of the "ideal family unit" has already been derided in this thread but the needs of a vulnerable child should far outweigh the rights of any individual or couple. The world we live in is far from ideal but wherever possible I believe a child being placed in adoptive care should be placed within a stable male,/female relationship so they have the benefit of being raised by BOTH a mother AND a father.

Sonics2k

Whosthis wrote: »

I was all for same sex marriage, then with all the talk and jibber jabber about it in recent time I thought I had an argument against it, now I've done a little research and defeated the argument so now I'm all for it again.

Its interesting that the no side had managed to muddy the waters for me by bringing gay adoption into the discussion when this will have nothing to do with the referendum.

That's the tactic they're using. The upcoming referendum has absolutely nothing to do with gay adoption, it's mostly about being fully recognised as a couple in the eyes of the State and Law. Tax rights, inheritance and so on.

Iona will continue to muddy the waters and lie to people to fit their needs. People just need to remember this. Iona are lieing to you all the time. It's that simple.

Venus In Furs

Lau2976 wrote: »

I certainly disagree that the state hasn't skimmed over abortion, they passed a bill that they thought would placate the masses but still didn't actually get to the issue. But this isn't only about abortion.

Euthanasia? the rights of asylum seekers? Adoption rights? To name the few that come to mind right now.

I'm still wondering how the above would affect whether someone would vote yes in relation to same-sex marriage?
That is the argument you made initially: you weren't sure whether to vote yes because there are more deserving (in your opinion) issues, implying that you might vote no on the basis of this not being as important an issue (to you) as others. Can you explain this? It makes absolutely zero sense.

Surely just take each issue on its own merits? Even if it feels to you that there are more deserving issues, they are separate; they have to be addressed via separate referenda.

One eyed Jack

Sonics2k wrote: »

That's the tactic they're using. The upcoming referendum has absolutely nothing to do with gay adoption, it's mostly about being fully recognised as a couple in the eyes of the State and Law. Tax rights, inheritance and so on.

Iona will continue to muddy the waters and lie to people to fit their needs. People just need to remember this. Iona are lieing to you all the time. It's that simple.

I'm just wondering though, are people here giving Iona more credit than they're worth, and not giving the Irish population enough credit?

By that I mean, people here do seem have a tendency to jump all over someone who expresses their decision not to support marriage equality, and I just wonder, why bother?

The vast majority of people in Ireland already support marriage equality, so shouldn't we be concentrating our efforts on supporting those people, rather than becoming obsessive almost with tackling people who are unlikely to change their minds anyway?

It just reads to me like a futile exercise people getting themselves all worked up in knots about disputing what are clearly strawman arguments. People aren't that stupid that they are likely to be swayed by arguments they already consider irrelevant, but seeing other people get so bent out of shape about these irrelevant arguments may simply turn people off bothering to vote at all.

That's the way I could see things going anyway the more the yes campaign obsess about the no sides arguments instead of simply supporting those people who support them already and solidifying that support for the benefit of everyone in society long after this referendum is done and dusted.

floggg

RobertKK wrote: »

The same as a will, with your solicitor.

You know the State sets the rules on which will are recognised and which aren't.

And who are marriage agreements to be enforced if the state doesn't recognise them?

RobertKK wrote: »

The marriage bureau, a NGO funded by the marriage license.

So they state doesn't recognise marriages yet presumably requires you to obtain a licence and pay a fee?

And if it's an NGO what powers exactly does it have? Or purpose? Or power to collect fees.

Considering you've been banging on about this nonsense for well over a year, you really haven't thought it out very well.

TheBeardedLady

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Either May 1st or 8th is the rumour

Any idea when they plan on setting the date?

Annasopra

TheBeardedLady wrote: »

Any idea when they plan on setting the date?

I'm not sure. I'm guessing May 8th is more likely because May 1st is too close to bank holiday weekend.

Putin

RobertKK wrote: »

Voting no, it is not about equality..

I agree, it's nothing to do with that otherwise it would have been thought through. It's nothing more than populist vote fishing.

PopePalpatine

I've said this before in a previous thread on marriage equality: those who say that any potential "nastiness" from the either side will push them to vote the other way always seem to focus on attacks from the "Yes" campaign rather than the scummy behaviour of the likes of the Ionanists and Youth Defence.

RobertKK

smokingman wrote: »

I've been out on the town with an owner of a company like what you work for and it was a fascinating experience. He was totally apolitical with no strong opinion on anything other than figuring out what exactly was the root of different demographics prejudices so he could "get good" at his job.
That, and money....

I wasn't being serious, I am self employed.

But I will take money if anyone wants to offer me it for simply posting stuff here... :pac: