How will you vote in the Marriage Equality referendum? Mod Note Post 1

reprise

eviltwin wrote: »

Apologies, I thought this was your opinion. Its something that I've heard a lot from the No side and I was hoping someone could elaborate on it.

That's my point. It's a simple argument, it doesn't require a thesis, it's easily understood and it will not succumb to hysteria and accusations of homophobia. Quite the opposite in fact.

Whether the yes side wants to deal with it or not, this is a referendum changing a substantial pillar of the traditional marriage contract.

We dont have ssm in this country and there are too many arrogant idiots on the yes side that are acting like this referendum is taking something away and not the other way around.

Summer wind

Just because my husband and I are a man and woman it doesn't mean we love each other more than John and Michael or Susan and Mary do. We all deserve to live, love and be happy. For this reason I'd vote yes.

RobertKK

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

That's actually sayign the exact opposite: that the church has a right to dictate state policy regarding inheritance rights and taxations for married couples.

Why should married couples get special taxation policies over single people?
Couldn't one just put it on their tax returns how many dependents they are supporting and take it from there?
Inheritance rights - have a solicitor involved.

Ozymandius2011

Red C poll says: 77% to vote yes - of which 44% have no reservations and 33% have some reservations. 22% to vote no according to twitter. Source #marref

emersyn

@all the people who have started saying that they’re going to vote no because the nasty gays have become too rude and grating for their tastes: what does it feel like to have the power and privilege to literally be able to dangle human rights above our heads like a carrot and only give them to us providing we pander to your feelings? Listen to yourselves

pablomakaveli

Can't vote since i don't live in Ireland no more but if i had it would have been a Yes vote from me.

I'm glad my gay and lesbian friends back in Ireland will finally get the equality they deserve.

There's no valid reason to vote no. A lot of those who are voting no are being dishonest as to their reasons as well. There's only one reason why they're voting no but they dont like to admit it.

reprise

pablomakaveli wrote: »

Can't vote since i don't live in Ireland no more but if i had it would have been a Yes vote from me.

I'm glad my gay and lesbian friends back in Ireland will finally get the equality they deserve.

There's no valid reason to vote no. A lot of those who are voting no are being dishonest as to their reasons as well. There's only one reason why they're voting no but they dont like to admit it.

You've lost me, what's the secret reason?

RobertKK

reprise wrote: »

You've lost me, what's the secret reason?

No one will marry us whether heterosexual or homosexual...

Lau2976

I don't think it's fair to suggest that all those voting no are homophobic. I've had this conversation with my own mother (who is passionately for the yes vote) about my own reservations to voting yes. I don't believe that makes me homophobic.

Are certain people who are voting no homophobic? Yes

Are all? No.

Unless you have interviewed every single person in the country voting no and found it to be for homophobic reasons then keep your generalizations to yourself please.

osarusan

If God had meant people of the same sex to marry each other, he wouldn't have made me bigoted.

Think about that.

pablomakaveli

reprise wrote: »

You've lost me, what's the secret reason?

As far as i know labelling people homophobic on here is a bannable offence or has that changed?

Ave Sodalis

Lau2976 wrote: »

I don't think it's fair to suggest that all those voting no are homophobic. I've had this conversation with my own mother (who is passionately for the yes vote) about my own reservations to voting yes. I don't believe that makes me homophobic.

Are certain people who are voting no homophobic? Yes

Are all? No.

Unless you have interviewed every single person in the country voting no and found it to be for homophobic reasons then keep your generalizations to yourself please.

Homophobic or not, I've yet to find a well reasoned, justified argument for the no side.

emersyn

Lau2976 wrote: »

I don't think it's fair to suggest that all those voting no are homophobic. I've had this conversation with my own mother (who is passionately for the yes vote) about my own reservations to voting yes. I don't believe that makes me homophobic.

Are certain people who are voting no homophobic? Yes

Are all? No.

Unless you have interviewed every single person in the country voting no and found it to be for homophobic reasons then keep your generalizations to yourself please.

Actually I've heard the opinions of quite a few people planning to vote no and all of them have thus far indeed been homophobic. Are you going to back up your complaint with a non-homophobic reason for voting no or are you just going to throw it out there?

Holsten

I'll be voting YES.

emersyn

pablomakaveli wrote: »

As far as i know labelling people homophobic on here is a bannable offence or has that changed?

Wait, so openly homophobic people don't get banned but people complaining about homophobic people do? Progressive.

reprise

pablomakaveli wrote: »

As far as i know labelling people homophobic on here is a bannable offence or has that changed?

I think it's as ever - if you make ad hominem statements, you are sanctioned. Rants are tolerated to a point.

K4t

reprise wrote: »

I think it's as ever - if you make ad hominem statements, you are sanctioned. Rants are tolerated to a point.

Or you could just, you know, refute the statements or even ignore them. And we all live happily ever after.

reprise

K4t wrote: »

Or you could just, you know, refute the statements or even ignore them. And we all live happily ever after.

I was trying to flesh out what the statement was.

Lau2976

emersyn wrote: »

Actually I've heard the opinions of quite a few people planning to vote no and all of them have thus far indeed been homophobic. Are you going to back up your complaint with a non-homophobic reason for voting no or are you just going to throw it out there?

All I'm pointing out is there may be some people who have a reason that doesn't warrant them being homophobic.

I'm sorry but you talking to "quite a few people" still doesn't warrant a generalization IMO.

As I said previously in this thread my only reason for reservations on the yes vote was because I believe that there are more deserving rights that need to be addressed.

lukesmom

Yes

K4t

reprise wrote: »

I was trying to flesh out what the statement was.

Apologies. I was referring to boards' policy.

Holsten

I've had numerous heated debates with people who I'm 100% sure will vote no and make a point to do it as well.

They are 100% homophobic people, messed up views and actually HATE homosexuals. 2015 people like that still exist and it is insane.

eviltwin

Lau2976 wrote: »

All I'm pointing out is there may be some people who have a reason that doesn't warrant them being homophobic.

I'm sorry but you talking to "quite a few people" still doesn't warrant a generalization IMO.

As I said previously in this thread my only reason for reservations on the yes vote was because I believe that there are more deserving rights that need to be addressed.

There are always going to be more important issues we can vote on but we're being asked to vote on this. Its worth remembering that this is extremely important to gay people and their families. You'll always be asked to vote on issues that don't directly have any impact on your life but if you could go out and make a positive difference to the lives of others why wouldn't you?

emersyn

Lau2976 wrote: »

All I'm pointing out is there may be some people who have a reason that doesn't warrant them being homophobic.

I'm sorry but you talking to "quite a few people" still doesn't warrant a generalization IMO.

As I said previously in this thread my only reason for reservations on the yes vote was because I believe that there are more deserving rights that need to be addressed.

I agree that there's many more pressing issues that ideally should have been addressed before this, but I don't understand how that would be connected to deciding to vote no for this referendum? By voting no all you're doing is denying people rights. It's not going to speed up the addressing of other issues. The two aren't connected.

reprise

eviltwin wrote: »

There are always going to be more important issues we can vote on but we're being asked to vote on this. Its worth remembering that this is extremely important to gay people and their families. You'll always be asked to vote on issues that don't directly have any impact on your life but if you could go out and make a positive difference to the lives of others why wouldn't you?

This is exactly the type of argument that wins hearts and minds.

thomur

Have a lot of gay friends but still not to sure how I will vote

forgodssake

I will vote yes .
because I couldn't give less of a fcuk if i tried what anyone else does with their lives as long as they are happy.

Mr.Prodston

If 2 people love each other and want to confirm their relationship in a way that they see fit then who on earth am I or anyone else to stop them?! A wholehearted yes from me.

This referendum is about one thing and one thing only. Other aspects of marriage can be debated and teased out in other debates but this is not that debate. It's such a straightforward thing to me and I can't get my head around the thoughts or reasoning of voting no.

Lau2976

I never said I was voting no. I said I had reservations. And personally I think it's a massive issue that we pass by rights that are life and death and go to one about marriage. Marriage rights are very important and I do think it needs to be changed but some issues take priority to others and yet we skim over these?

I never meant my thinking was right or that I still felt this way all I meant was that I didn't believe it was homophobic, which supported my argument that not all those voting no are homophobic (whether it's right or wrong)

Sheldons Brain

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Yes of course accidents happen but if marriage exists as a foundation for the family unit surely those who do not wish or are not able to have Children should also be denied permission to marry.

*I don't actually think this of course, but it seems like the logical path to take from your argument.

It is perfectly possible to argue that men and women coming together in marriage can support those men and women who have families, even if the individuals choose not to do so. It may be appropriate for the government not to investigate the situation of individuals. A same sex marriage does not meet this requirement regardless of individual status.

That nobody seems to reflect on these matters is an indication of the trivialisation of this debate.