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How will you vote in the Marriage Equality referendum? Mod Note Post 1

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  • #6752
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    callaway92 wrote: »

    EDIT: I'll be voting yes, but some of the yes campaigners are on a level which is bordering unbearable (including in this thread).


    Did you miss some (most of really) the No comments????? :confused:


  • #6753
    Duggy747
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,295 ✭✭✭✭Duggy747


    I always find it funny how some people always use that that argument that children are the only way a person can contribute to society. :pac:


  • #6754
    frostyjacks
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,951 ✭✭✭frostyjacks


    kylith wrote: »
    The poster you saw was wrong. Marriage is not being redefined. Marriage is still marriage. It's just that more people will be allowed to get married. Nothing about marriage itself is being changed or redefined.

    I wouldn't class a same sex union as marriage even if, as looks likely, the vote will pass. In my opinion (not saying I'm right or wrong) marriage is about starting a family, always has been. That's how most of are here today. For a gay couple to start a family, they'll need someone of the opposite sex. So I don't see how that relationship can be regarded as equal to a heterosexual marriage. I know they're are straight couples who can't have kids etc. etc. I'm talking about in the main, this is why a gay couple shouldn't be thought of as equal to a straight couple.


  • #6755
    noway12345
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,152 ✭✭✭noway12345


    Maximus Alexander wrote: »
    "Why have you decided to vote No?"

    "It's a democracy, I can vote whatever I want"

    "Sure, but why do you want to vote that way?"

    "I'm free to vote however I like."

    "I agree, but what's the rationale behind it?"

    "Referendum coming up."

    "Yep. You're voting no, right? Why so?"

    "Because I can vote however I please."

    "And do you know why you're voting the way you're voting?"

    "Because it's a hurr and I durr free to hurrdurr hurr...."

    I think the poster has said that gay people can't procreate and aren't equal to heterosexual people because of this was the reason but you may have missed that/ignored it.


  • #6756
    callaway92
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,142 ✭✭✭✭callaway92


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Did you miss some (most of really) the No comments????? :confused:

    Didn't read through the whole thread but if someone is Catholic and sticks to it, then being insulted etc isn't very fair. It's their choice.

    Again, I'm pro same-sex marriage but have no problem with people that aren't.


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  • #6757
    Maximus Alexander
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,080 ✭✭✭✭Maximus Alexander


    noway12345 wrote: »
    I think the poster has said that gay people can't procreate and aren't equal to heterosexual people because of this was the reason but you may have missed that/ignored it.

    I did not miss, or ignore it. He was challenged in response to this with the perfectly reasonable query: Following this logic, you must surely agree that heterosexual couples who are infertile, or too old to procreate, should not be allowed to marry either? He ignored that, and reverted to "It's a referendum I can vote what I like lol".

    But you must have missed that / ignored it.


  • #6758
    jobbridge4life
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭jobbridge4life


    callaway92 wrote: »
    What's the divorce rate for gay couples compared to non-gay couples in places where it's legal already?

    Just curious really and would be interested to find out more.

    At a guess I'd go a fair bit higher but I dunno.

    EDIT: I'll be voting yes, but some of the yes campaigners are on a level which is bordering unbearable (including in this thread).


    http://data.stanford.edu/hcmst
    How Couples Meet and Stay Together

    Study found roughly equal rates of relationship breakdown between gay and straight couples. But cheers for guessing it wouldn't work out:cool:

    Also I'll be voting yes but I find the concept that my personal life is voting matter for strangers to be bordering unbearable.


  • #6759
    frostyjacks
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,951 ✭✭✭frostyjacks


    kylith wrote: »
    So, you're against single parent families and childless couples adopting then?

    I am FOR children being raised by their parents.


  • #6760
    callaway92
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,142 ✭✭✭✭callaway92


    jobbridge4life wrote: »
    http://data.stanford.edu/hcmst
    How Couples Meet and Stay Together

    Study found roughly equal rates of relationship breakdown between gay and straight couples. But cheers for guessing it wouldn't work out:cool:

    Also I'll be voting yes but I find the concept that my personal life is voting matter for strangers to be bordering unbearable.

    :rolleyes:

    Thanks....

    What I said wasn't intended to be insulting.


  • #6761
    BizzyC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,012 ✭✭✭BizzyC


    frostyjacks wrote: »
    Children being brought up by both their parents. I know, it's a really offensive belief to hold.

    You do realise that Gay people don't actually take children away from hetero parents right?

    You're talking about children who don't have parents in the first place and allowing someone who's incapable of procreation themselves to care for them.

    In any case, why do people keep going round in circles on the children issue?

    Children and parental rights for gay couples have been sorted already in a separate act that has already passed through the dail.

    Voting No for marriage equality is literally not going to make any difference to any child.


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  • #6762
    tigger123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,603 ✭✭✭tigger123


    LordSutch wrote: »
    But should you be delighted that our police force is not neutral on the matter?
    Certainly Nula O'Loan is scathing in her comments on the matter.

    Must see if I can find the link @Newstalk for the audio of this mornings interview.

    Our police force is neutral on the matter. Can you link or show otherwise?

    GRA =/= AGS.


  • #6763
    jobbridge4life
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭jobbridge4life


    callaway92 wrote: »
    :rolleyes:

    Thanks....

    What I said wasn't intended to be insulting.

    No you just guessed gay marriages would fail at rate much higher than straight marriages. How could that be insulting?


  • #6764
    noway12345
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,152 ✭✭✭noway12345


    Maximus Alexander wrote: »
    I did not miss, or ignore it. He was challenged in response to this with the perfectly reasonable query: Following this logic, you must surely agree that heterosexual couples who are infertile, or too old to procreate, should not be allowed to marry either? He ignored that, and reverted to "It's a referendum I can vote what I like lol".

    But you must have missed that / ignored it.

    You should read all his comments, not selectively ignore some.


  • #6765
    kylith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,739 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    frostyjacks wrote: »
    I wouldn't class a same sex union as marriage even if, as looks likely, the vote will pass. In my opinion (not saying I'm right or wrong) marriage is about starting a family, always has been. That's how most of are here today. For a gay couple to start a family, they'll need someone of the opposite sex. So I don't see how that relationship can be regarded as equal to a heterosexual marriage. I know they're are straight couples who can't have kids etc. etc. I'm talking about in the main, this is why a gay couple shouldn't be thought of as equal to a straight couple.

    Again, you are misinformed. Marriage has until very recently been about alliances and guarding assets, and under law is mainly about inheritance and taxes. The idea of getting married because of romantic love and a wish to start a family with someone is shockingly recent.

    Also, a marriage between two people of the opposite gender, one or both of whom is infertile, is legal so marriage is obviously not about starting a family.

    You do not need to get married to start a family and you do not need to intend to start a family in order to get married.


  • #6766
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    callaway92 wrote: »
    Didn't read through the whole thread but if someone is Catholic and sticks to it, then being insulted etc isn't very fair. It's their choice.

    Again, I'm pro same-sex marriage but have no problem with people that aren't.

    Neither do I as long as they don't tell me how much less than 'ideal' my family is. Or how I am not contributing to society - a view that is on this very page.
    Or any other of the judgemental, ill informed, downright nasty stuff I and every other gay person has had to read on this every thread on this topic, listen to as it is broadcast, dodge as it leers down at us from lamppost etc etc etc

    Why do you have a problem with yes voters getting hot under the collar and frustrated but not at No voters who casually post comments that denigrate the families of people they know are reading it?


  • #6767
    noway12345
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,152 ✭✭✭noway12345


    Let's be honest here, if this referendum was on whether homosexual couples could adopt it would be a no vote for sure. Obviously this referendum isn't about that and it will highly likely be a yes. It wont change the fact that most people in Ireland don't support homosexual people being able to adopt kids.


  • #6768
    kylith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,739 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    frostyjacks wrote: »
    I am FOR children being raised by their parents.

    You said BOTH parents, so you are therefore against people being raised by one parent, or by two people who are not their parents?

    You are aware that being gay doesn't render someone incapable of procreating and having biological children, right?


  • #6769
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    frostyjacks wrote: »
    I am FOR children being raised by their parents.

    I AM A PARENT!
    A GAY PARENT!
    MY SON HAD TWO PARENTS!

    HE ALSO HAD A BIOLOGICAL FATHER WHO THOUGHT BEING ACTIVE IN HIS SON'S LIFE SOUNDED LIKE TOO MUCH HARD WORK.


  • #6770
    frostyjacks
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,951 ✭✭✭frostyjacks


    kylith wrote: »
    You said BOTH parents, so you are therefore against people being raised by one parent, or by two people who are not their parents?

    You are aware that being gay doesn't render someone incapable of procreating and having biological children, right?

    I don't doubt that single parents do a good job in raising their kids. I just believe two parents are better than one.


  • #6771
    sjb25
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,416 ✭✭✭sjb25


    frostyjacks wrote: »
    I don't doubt that single parents do a good job in raising their kids. I just believe two parents are better than one.

    That's true and if they are two gay people and they love the child what's the problem...........


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  • #6772
    frostyjacks
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,951 ✭✭✭frostyjacks


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    I AM A PARENT!
    A GAY PARENT!
    MY SON HAD TWO PARENTS!

    HE ALSO HAD A BIOLOGICAL FATHER WHO THOUGHT BEING ACTIVE IN HIS SON'S LIFE SOUNDED LIKE TOO MUCH HARD WORK.

    And wouldn't it have been better if the father wasn't a dead beat dad? This is my point.


  • #6773
    MrWalsh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,664 ✭✭✭MrWalsh


    frostyjacks wrote: »
    I don't doubt that single parents do a good job in raising their kids. I just believe two parents are better than one.

    Oh what a wonderful world where there were no single mothers, widowers, widows, divorcees...............


  • #6774
    frostyjacks
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,951 ✭✭✭frostyjacks


    sjb25 wrote: »
    That's true and if they are two gay people and they love the child what's the problem...........

    The problem is one of them isn't a parent. Isn't this an issue for homosexuals as well?


  • #6775
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,948 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    frostyjacks wrote: »
    I don't doubt that single parents do a good job in raising their kids. I just believe two parents are better than one.

    and what is the relevance of the gender of those parents?


  • #6776
    07Lapierre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,408 ✭✭✭07Lapierre


    frostyjacks wrote: »
    Children being brought up by both their parents. I know, it's a really offensive belief to hold.

    Not offensive at all...that's YOUR belief.. You have not right to force that belief on others.


  • #6777
    Maximus Alexander
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,080 ✭✭✭✭Maximus Alexander


    Ye are letting him drag you off topic and muddy the waters again lads.


  • #6778
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,948 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    frostyjacks wrote: »
    The problem is one of them isn't a parent. Isn't this an issue for homosexuals as well?

    that is something for an individual to decide for themselves.


  • #6779
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    frostyjacks wrote: »
    I don't doubt that single parents do a good job in raising their kids. I just believe two parents are better than one.

    I repeat - MY SON HAD TWO PARENTS!

    You seem to believe that as long as one parent has a penis and the other a vagina then magically they are wonderful parents - if that is the case, why do we need laws to protect children in their own home? Why do we have a system that has to step in an remove children from their two heterosexual parents to save the lives of those children? What about the children that weren't saved?

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/09/10/parents-kill-children-fbi-data/15280259/ read it an weep for those children.


  • #6780
    SpaceTime
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,088 ✭✭✭SpaceTime


    frostyjacks wrote: »
    You're missing the point. A same sex couple cannot contribute to society in the way that a heterosexual marriage can. It's not discriminatory to keep the them separate because of this. Homosexuals are still equal.

    No, I think you're making a point that I don't and will never agree with. I'm missing nothing here.

    By any normal definition what you're describing above is discrimination. You just happen to think that kind of discrimination is acceptable. I don't.

    You're entitled to your opinion but I'm equally entitled to wholeheartedly disagree with it.


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  • #6781
    jobbridge4life
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭jobbridge4life


    frostyjacks wrote: »
    The problem is one of them isn't a parent. Isn't this an issue for homosexuals as well?

    What on Earth are you talking about? A biological connection is not the sum of parenthood and that is the logical end of your point! It takes alot more than fumbling around in the sheets with an inny bit and outty bit to make one a parent. For shame.


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