How will you vote in the Marriage Equality referendum? Mod Note Post 1

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

SMASH IRISH WATER wrote: »

I did not know that. As I said I am not interested in gay matters, so it is up to them to decide. I won't be getting involved.

Then why are heterosexuals allowed to vote?

I'm not gay but I have gay freidns who are married and some who may want to some to. Seeing as my friends happiness is a concern to me, it does involve me.

osarusan

SMASH IRISH WATER wrote: »

I did not know that. As I said I am not interested in gay matters, so it is up to them to decide. I won't be getting involved.

Disappointing, considering your comments elsewhere about fairness and equality regarding water charges and protesters.

Bannasidhe

osarusan wrote: »

Disappointing, considering your comments elsewhere about fairness and equality regarding water charges and protesters.

Possibly the message 'we are all in this together' has nuances...

gazzer

Here in Cavan there are tons of No posters. Have not seen one Yes poster yet. Pretty worrying. Though anybody I speak to has SAID they are voting YES so hopefully they are being truthful. Can you imagine in years to come telling your child (if they are Gay) that we had the chance to allow 2 people who love each other the chance to get married if they wish and we decided that they dont have that right.

Personally as somebody who has been with my partner for 18 years I would love to chance to marry him.

SpaceTime

I'll be basing which constituencies I'll be avoiding as holiday destinations on the results.
It is going to be a handy map of which bits of Ireland are backwards and which are progressive.

Cats fur sale

Is this the mural with the two benders in the gay embrace you're talking about?

MOD: Take a few days off

folamh

Full report of April's Red C opinion poll available to view/download here: http://www.redcresearch.ie/blog/referendum-not-secure#sthash.cN40fDR2.dpbs

"A random sample of 1,006 adults aged 18+ by telephone"

"A random digit dial method is used to ensure a random selection process of households to be included"

Overwhelming support for SSM, except on one question:
"Same sex couples have full legal protection and can enter state-recognized civil partnerships. There is no need to go further and completely change the definition of marriage."
43% Disagree. 46% Agree.

Apart from that, it's a minority saying no/don't know on pro-SSM questions. Most people saying no/don't know support Fianna Fail.

PutDownArtist

I'm thinking of lashing 50 quid on the turnout being below 50% -- does anyone else think this is a good bet?

Not that many people seem to really care that much about the outcome.

ohnonotgmail

folamh wrote: »

Full report of April's Red C opinion poll available to view/download here: http://www.redcresearch.ie/blog/referendum-not-secure#sthash.cN40fDR2.dpbs

"A random sample of 1,006 adults aged 18+ by telephone"

"A random digit dial method is used to ensure a random selection process of households to be included"

Overwhelming support for SSM, except on one question:
"Same sex couples have full legal protection and can enter state-recognized civil partnerships. There is no need to go further and completely change the definition of marriage."
43% Disagree. 46% Agree.

Apart from that, it's a minority saying no/don't know on pro-SSM questions. Most people saying no/don't know support Fianna Fail.

the problem with that poll is that the bit in bold isnt true.

Maximus Alexander

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

the problem with that poll is that the bit in bold isnt true.

It doesn't need to be true. That's the point of a poll, to gauge what people think is true.

ixoy

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

It doesn't need to be true. That's the point of a poll, to gauge what people think is true.

And it's one thing that it would be good to address : why civil partnership is not equal to marriage. Both on a legal and social level. Too many don't realise there are differences and I think there's not enough emphasis on the idea that it's not equivalent and not something that should be deemed as good enough.

LordSutch

Heard a fascinating discussion on Newstalk this morning involving ex PSNI ombudsman Nula O'Loan.

She was really wound up about something to do with the Garda openly advocating a YES vote, even though the police force is meant to be totally neutral. Apparently the GRA openly back the Yes vote, and the Garda are expected to follow their line .....

I don't know much more than that, but O'loan was really incredulous & annoyed that a whole police force could be manipulated to vote either way.

The interview was on this mornings Ivan Yeats programme.

humanji

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Ash.J.Williams

LordSutch wrote: »

Heard a fascinating discussion on Newstalk this morning involving ex PSNI ombudsman Nula O'Loan.

She was really wound up about something to do with the Garda openly advocating a YES vote, even though the police force is meant to be totally neutral. Apparently the GRA openly back the Yes vote, and the Garda are expected to follow their line .....

I don't know much more than that, but O'loan was really incredulous & annoyed that a whole police force could be manipulated to vote either way.

The interview was on this mornings Ivan Yeats programme.

gardai are too old to be manipulated, if a garda wants to advocate a NO vote then he/she is free to do so.

osarusan

osarusan wrote: »

I think it wrong. People should stop it.

Strategically, it isn't wise either.

What do you think about the content of the posters being torn down? Lets say, the one about surrogacy? I think it is deliberately misleading and scaremongering. What do you think?

I personally would have it illegal for either to campaign in the form of posters. There is not enough room to convey any kind of coherent message.

osarusan

Deleted User wrote: »

I personally would have it illegal for either to campaign in the form of posters. There is not enough room to convey any kind of coherent message.

That's fine.

But as it stands posters are legal. So what do you think of the content on them?

LordSutch

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

gardai are too old to be manipulated, if a garda wants to advocate a NO vote then he/she is free to do so.

I suspect that Nula O'Loan would not have come on the radio (Newstalk) with such a blistering attack had she not done her homework!

(See post#6873)

kylith

LordSutch wrote: »

I suspect that Nula O'Loan would not have come on the radio (Newstalk) with such a blistering attack had she not done her homework!

(See post#6873)

While AGS may advocate a yes vote there is nothing to stop any individual garda from contributing to either campaign or from voting how they wish.

osarusan

osarusan wrote: »

That's fine.

But as it stands posters are legal. So what do you think of the content on them?

There is not enough room on either to convey any kind of coherent message other than using the language of persuasion. The medium itself is broken and will always attempt to tug on the heart strings.

The no-vote are simply lying in most cases; the yes-vote doesn't explain their position at all.

osarusan

Deleted User wrote: »

There is not enough room on either to convey any kind of coherent message other than using the language of persuasion. The medium itself is broken and will always attempt to tug on the heart strings.

What do you think of the posters using the issue of surrogacy?

I think it is a disgraceful tactic to deliberately mislead people. Would you agree?

osarusan

osarusan wrote: »

What do you think of the posters using the issue of surrogacy?

I think it is a disgraceful tactic to deliberately mislead people. Would you agree?

What exactly are you trying to get at here? Because one is misleading it shouldn't be allowed to put up?

osarusan

Deleted User wrote: »

What exactly are you trying to get at here? Because one is misleading it shouldn't be allowed to put up?

I am asking you to comment on the content of that specific poster.

You seem to be trying hard to avoid doing so.

EDIT: You edited an earlier post to agree that the No posters are indeed lying, that is all I wanted to know.

LordSutch

kylith wrote: »

While AGS may advocate a yes vote there is nothing to stop any individual garda from contributing to either campaign or from voting how they wish.

That's fine then, sorted.

she must have been talking about something else altogether?

tigger123

kylith wrote: »

While AGS may advocate a yes vote there is nothing to stop any individual garda from contributing to either campaign or from voting how they wish.

Is it An Garda Siochana advocating a Yes? Or the Garda Representative Association? It's an important distinction. One is an apolitical police force, the other is a 'union'.

kylith

tigger123 wrote: »

Is it An Garda Siochana advocating a Yes? Or the Garda Representative Association? It's an important distinction. One is an apolitical police force, the other is a 'union'.

Well, according to LordSutch it's GRA. I don't see how 'union' or not anyone could be forced to vote a certain way, votes are confidential after all.

PopePalpatine

It's the Garda Representative Association that's calling for a Yes vote. IIRC no union is yet to advocate a No vote.

osarusan

osarusan wrote: »

I am asking you to comment on the content of that specific poster.

You seem to be trying hard to avoid doing so.

EDIT: You edited an earlier post to agree that the No posters are indeed lying, that is all I wanted to know.

So do you think the posters you disagree with should be taken down?

Let's just say I think that mural on George's street is an abomination, a lie in the eyes of God. It's misleading in making people think that gay relationships are normal. Should that be torn down?

Look I'm just trying to point the double standards here that is prevalent in the Yes campaign.

I am obviously voting Yes. Keeping up the no-vote posters is doing more damage to their own cause imo.

tigger123

kylith wrote: »

Well, according to LordSutch it's GRA. I don't see how 'union' or not anyone could be forced to vote a certain way, votes are confidential after all.

No, but it might help swing those who are undecided.

tigger123

PopePalpatine wrote: »

It's the Garda Representative Association that's calling for a Yes vote. IIRC no union is yet to advocate a No vote.

Am pretty surprised at that tbh. I would have expected them to advocate a Yes.

osarusan

Deleted User wrote: »

So do you think the posters you disagree with should be taken down?

I already said i think taking them down is wrong.

Deleted User wrote: »

I am obviously voting Yes. Keeping up the no-vote posters is doing more damage to their own cause imo.

I agree. I also said it was strategically wrong also, as they are good for the Yes side.

Deleted User wrote: »

Look I'm just trying to point the double standards here that is prevalent in the Yes campaign.

There have been a good few people on this thread talking about flaws, aggressiveness, double standards from the Yes side, but never seem to comment on the No side. Even worse when they claim that this may lead them to switch their vote, or abstain.

I wondered if you were one of them, but you are not. That's good.