Tri-colour lowered half mast for Saudi King Abdullah

coolemon

http://img.rasset.ie/000a0fbf-642.jpg

http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/0123/675039-saudi-arabia/

What a scummy hypocritical mafia state we have right here. A banana republic.

Where is President DHiggins, head of state, faux progressive and leftist, to intervene to stop this lowering of the flag for a vile dictator?

Shame.

Inquitus

coolemon wrote: »

http://img.rasset.ie/000a0fbf-642.jpg

http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/0123/675039-saudi-arabia/

What a scummy hypocritical mafia state we have right here. A banana republic.

Where is President O' Higgins, head of state, faux progressive and leftist, to intervene to stop this lowering of the flag for a vile dictator?

Shame.

Who cares.

Karl Stein

Embarrassing.

Kermit.de.frog

I support the lowering of the flag.

Del2005

We've done worst but I don't want to Godwin this thread.

Karl Stein

Inquitus wrote: »

Who cares.

You, obviously. You took the time to tell everyone.

coolemon

Inquitus wrote: »

Who cares.

Those who are being persecuted, I am sure, would like to see pressure put on, rather than support, for the scummy regime.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b89_1421360015

Inquitus

Karl Stein wrote: »

You, obviously. You took the time to tell everyone.

No I am far more concerned about the tragic loss of the Celtic Sea God Sculpture in the other thread.

Richard Hillman

I do not mind our state being chummy with the Saudi's. It's in our best interests until the oil runs out.

Desolation Of Smug

coolemon wrote: »

http://img.rasset.ie/000a0fbf-642.jpg

http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/0123/675039-saudi-arabia/

What a scummy hypocritical mafia state we have right here. A banana republic.

Where is President O' Higgins, head of state, faux progressive and leftist, to intervene to stop this lowering of the flag for a vile dictator?

Shame.

Some hope of him reaching a flag.

Damien360

Ridiculous to recognise the death of a despot/dictator.

coolemon

Desolation Of Smug wrote: »

Some hope of him reaching a flag.

They should take it down and give it to him and let him wipe his arse with it. It seems to have no value.

jimgoose

You should Steven Seagal his short-ass, fcuk him up ugly. Er.

porsche959

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I support the lowering of the flag.

I do also. Pragmatic and the correct decision in the national interest supplants childish ranting on the net.

porsche959

Del2005 wrote: »

We've done worst but I don't want to Godwin this thread.

Hehe, but in that instance, Godwinning would be fair, no?

DeadHand

True to form.

Dev did offer his condolences to the German state on the death of Hitler.

It's just cosmetic diplomacy. A calculated insult from an ultimately insignificant state would not have improved the lives of those unfortunate enough to live in Saudi one iota. At best, we'd have been ignored. At worst, we'd have lost out on important trade at a time when the country needs to borrow money for it's day to day running.

Sensible decision.

thelad95

Well considering Dev sent a letter of condolence to Germany following Hitler's death, nothing else would surprise me.

coolemon

porsche959 wrote: »

I do also. Pragmatic and the correct decision in the national interest supplants childish ranting on the net.

You could justify any scummy and vile actions with that logic.

Sure who cares about human rights anyway so long as I get to put cheap petrol in my Porsche.

Merrion

Was the flag lowered, or was the pole extended?
(Either way - I'm disappointed as this chap has no bearing whatsoever on Ireland... )

My name is URL

Damien360 wrote: »

Ridiculous to recognise the death of a despot/dictator.

Not really. By that logic it's ridiculous to engage with them diplomatically or commercially too, and we do both of those things without much outrage as a result

http://www.isabc.org/

http://www.jaicc.ie/content/ireland-and-kingdom-saudi-arabia-share-excellent-ties-says-outgoing-ambassador-niall-holohan

There are better avenues to go down if a country wants to voice concern about human rights abuses etc, than by refusing to recognise the death of a leader.

Lowering the flag just stinks of sycophancy more than anything else, but you'd expect nothing more from the Irish government.

coolemon

My name is URL wrote: »

Not really. By that logic it's ridiculous to engage with them diplomatically or commercially too, and we do both of those things without much outrage as a result

http://www.isabc.org/

http://www.jaicc.ie/content/ireland-and-kingdom-saudi-arabia-share-excellent-ties-says-outgoing-ambassador-niall-holohan

There are better avenues to go down if a country wants to voice concern about human rights abuses etc, than by refusing to recognise the death of a leader.

Lowering the flag just stinks of sycophancy more than anything else.

Was it lowered for Hugo Chavez, Kim or Col. Gaddafi?

Dirty Steve

What have we got planned for Mugabe's death?

National day of mourning?

porsche959

Merrion wrote: »

(....as this chap has no bearing whatsoever on Ireland... )

No, sorry, wrong.

the dark phantom

Inquitus wrote: »

Who cares.

Some of us do care, The House of Saud is behind and involved in of lots of issues that have caused nothing but trouble and instability in the world, We may as well have lowered the tricolour for Saddam.

coolemon

Dirty Steve wrote: »

What have we got planned for Mugabe's death?

National day of mourning?

So long as there is money in it.

MayoSalmon

Richard Hillman wrote: »

I do not mind our state being chummy with the Saudi's. It's in our best interests until the oil runs out.

Our oil comes from the North Sea

My name is URL

coolemon wrote: »

Was it lowered for Hugo Chavez, Kim or Col. Gaddafi?

I'm not defending the lowering of the flag. As I said, it just comes across as sycophantic imo.

I was responding to the suggestion that we shouldn't 'recognise' the death of a world leader in any official sense.

qt3.14

Richard Hillman wrote: »

I do not mind our state being chummy with the Saudi's. It's in our best interests until the oil runs out.

Realpolitik is, though the usual suspects refuse to see it, a necessary part of living in the real world.

jimgoose

the dark phantom wrote: »

Some of us do care, The House of Saud is behind and involved in of lots of issues that have caused nothing but trouble and instability in the world, We may as well have lowered the tricolour for Saddam.

Just gimme the fcukan oil. Seriously, just gimme the damn thing now. Then you can get back to playing Rich Kids and we can cut the sh1t and get the fcuk out of this flea-infested hell-hole.

RobertKK

It was just our flag lowering its cloth in shame.

whupdedo

coolemon wrote: »

http://img.rasset.ie/000a0fbf-642.jpg

http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/0123/675039-saudi-arabia/

What a scummy hypocritical mafia state we have right here. A banana republic.

Where is President O' Higgins, head of state, faux progressive and leftist, to intervene to stop this lowering of the flag for a vile dictator?

Its President Higgins, not O Higgins

Shame.

When did President Higgins get an O in his name

Del2005 wrote: »

We've done worst but I don't want to Godwin this thread.

But surely it wouldn't be godwin If stating factual evidence rather than just referring to Nazis in a fecitious or trolling manner, im fairly sure you can refer to the Nazis and hitler without godwin, otherwise wed never have intelligent debate on anything to do with world war 2 without some idiot constantly reffering to godwin

DeadHand

MayoSalmon wrote: »

Our oil comes from the North Sea

And our beef goes to Saudi Arabia.

What exactly would change for the better if Ireland deliberately insulted that admittedly horrible country?

coolemon

whupdedo wrote: »

When did President Higgins get an O in his name

Oh, maybe from, oh, Eoin O' Duffy?

It was placed intentionally so that people would subliminally make the connection.

Well spotted though, and corrected now that my plan has been revealed.
.

wendell borton

Pragmatic my hole, did we lower the flag for Hugo Chavez, democratically elected president of another major oil producer?

My name is URL

I see the UK also flew their flags at half-mast today.

That explains why Ireland 'decided' to do it. Have to be seen to be mirroring the opinions/actions of our big brother all the time.

Rather pathetic really.

whupdedo

coolemon wrote: »

Oh, maybe from, oh, Eoin O' Duffy?

It was placed intentionally so that people would subliminally make the connection.

Well spotted though, and corrected now that my plan has been revealed.
.

Pretentious much coolemon, retro fixing a genuine mistake with a hugely ineffective excuse, you could have just edited your post

Manach

Realpolitik suggests that surface compliments are paid to regimes that while authoriarian, provide revenue for the country. China for instance is accorded the diplomatic niceties various ministers kow-towing to their leadership.

jimgoose

wendell borton wrote: »

Pragmatic my hole, did we lower the flag for Hugo Chavez, democratically elected president of another major oil producer?

No-one gives a scuttery fcuk about Venezuela, once the CIA know what buttons to push, when and how. Saudi Arabia is a horse of a very different kettle of fish.

coolemon

whupdedo wrote: »

Pretentious much coolemon, retro fixing a genuine mistake with a hugely ineffective excuse, you could have just edited your post

On the contrary. I think my excuse was highly effective.

qt3.14

wendell borton wrote: »

Pragmatic my hole, did we lower the flag for Hugo Chavez, democratically elected president of another major oil producer?

We're in the EU, the EU is strategically alligned with the US, the US is friendly with the family Saud.
We're in the EU, the EU is strategically alligned with the US, the US isn't friendly with Chavez.
Basically Chavez used his oil as an economic weapon to the detriment of US interests and the Sauds use their oil as an economic weapon to the benefit of US interests.
So when Chavez dies, nothing, when a Saud dies, flag at half mast.

Desolation Of Smug

DeadHand wrote: »

And our beef goes to Saudi Arabia.

What exactly would change for the better if Ireland deliberately insulted that admittedly horrible country?

I dunno. Maybe the world would start to have a glimmer of hope that we actually had some moral view on things, as opposed to being money-grubbing little fcukers? But that's ludicrous, I know. Money rules all, right?

LookingFor

DeadHand wrote: »

And our beef goes to Saudi Arabia.

What exactly would change for the better if Ireland deliberately insulted that admittedly horrible country?

Maybe our dignity.

jimgoose

Desolation Of Smug wrote: »

I dunno. Maybe the world would start to have a glimmer of hope that we actually had some moral view on things, as opposed to being money-grubbing little fcukers? But that's ludicrous, I know. Money rules all, right?

You do know this is Ireland, right? ? :):)

gctest50

DeadHand wrote: »

And our beef goes to Saudi Arabia.

What exactly would change for the better if Ireland deliberately insulted that admittedly horrible country?

it could get worse - ireland trades a lot with them

jimgoose

LookingFor wrote: »

Maybe our dignity.

It'll take more than waving our mickeys at the fcukan Arabs to save our dignity, chief.

MayoSalmon

MayoSalmon wrote: »

Our oil comes from the North Sea

Mostly true, but without the extra coming from SA the price would be higher and the quantity much smaller. Just remember where the USA sticks its oar into.

jimgoose

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Mostly true, but without the extra coming from SA the price would be higher and the quantity much smaller. Just remember where the USA sticks its oar into.

Oil. Give me the oil. Now. That way I don't gotta break sh1t. Capiche??

Venus In Furs

Would not flying the flag at half-mast cause Ireland to get into trouble with the Saudis or something?

coolemon wrote: »

mafia state we have right here. A banana republic.

Neither of those things in fairness.

Inquitus wrote: »

Who cares.

Since you ask: plenty do. You're suggesting that just because you don't, nobody else does - is that correct?

Del2005 wrote: »

We've done worst but I don't want to Godwin this thread.

Wish people would stop misusing the word "we".

Karl Stein

My name is URL wrote: »

I see the UK also flew their flags at half-mast today.

They sell billions of GBP's worth of weapons to them too. 'We' in the west destabilise the region and then sell weapons to the scum who help 'us' destabilise it with their disgusting bankrolling of Islamist nutters.

jimgoose

Venus In Furs wrote: »

Would not flying the flag at half-mast cause Ireland to get into trouble with the Saudis or something?...

The Saud outfit is a useful barking dog who lap up their treats until NATO is finished with them. Then they can trade in their Maseratis for camels.

I believe that 19 out of the 20 hijackers of the 11 September 2011 attack on the US were Saudi citizens.
Says a lot for the country.