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Legal aid, Going to Lanzerote

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    #32
    bjork
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,554 ✭✭✭bjork


    Beano wrote: »
    charged being the operative word. One is not a criminal until one has been found guilty.

    Yes it is. He is not however the defendant.

    Please show where I have said he was a criminal. I have quoted what he was charged with. At least I took the time to read the article



    @Collie D - Yes I do. What is your point?


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    #33
    Little CuChulainn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭Little CuChulainn


    Beano wrote: »
    charged being the operative word. One is not a criminal until one has been found guilty.

    Eh no, one is not a convict until they have been found guilty. They are a criminal when they commit a crime.


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    #34
    Beano
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,357 ✭✭✭Beano


    Little CuChulainn wrote: »
    Eh no, one is not a convict until they have been found guilty. They are a criminal when they commit a crime.

    he is not a criminal until he is found guilty. even if he is found guilty he will not necessarily be a convict. he is only a convict if he is given jail time.


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    #35
    kneemos
    Registered Users Posts: 20,411 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Little CuChulainn wrote: »
    Eh no, one is not a convict until they have been found guilty. They are a criminal when they commit a crime.

    We don't know if he committed a crime so not a criminal.


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    #36
    Beano
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,357 ✭✭✭Beano


    bjork wrote: »
    Yes it is. He is not however the defendant.

    Please show where I have said he was a criminal. I have quoted what he was charged with. At least I took the time to read the article



    @Collie D - Yes I do. What is your point?

    so you agree he is not a criminal then?


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    #37
    bjork
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,554 ✭✭✭bjork


    Beano wrote: »
    so you agree he is not a criminal then?

    Please quote where I've said he is?


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    #38
    Beano
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,357 ✭✭✭Beano


    bjork wrote: »
    Mr Cahill, of Crumlin Park is charged with possession of cannabis at South Circular Road on November 28, 2013. He is also charged with being a passenger in a stolen vehicle at Ballymun Road on November 3, 2014.
    bjork wrote: »
    Please quote where I've said he is?

    well if you dont think he is then what was the purpose of the first post i quoted?


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    #39
    anncoates
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    Little CuChulainn wrote: »
    An appearance in court does not automatically mean a huge legal bill. Both his offences are relatively minor.

    He qualifies for FLA. The judge himself said he couldn't revoke it so if he can go on a cheapo holiday it's not a consequence.

    Whether he's a nice person or a criminal isn't the issue.

    People just want to see sackcloth and ashes for anybody with any kind of state assistance, unless of course it's ones that benefit them such as mortgage interest relief, mostly free college and other no less tax-funded sweeteners.


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    #40
    bjork
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,554 ✭✭✭bjork


    Beano wrote: »
    well if you dont think he is then what was the purpose of the first post i quoted?

    If you can't follow the conversation for yourself, I'll break it down for you.


    A Poster was confused as to whether he was a defendant.
    I quoted the bit out of the independent outlining his charges.


    Simple, stop arguing with me about something I didn't say or prove I said it.


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    #41
    Beano
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,357 ✭✭✭Beano


    bjork wrote: »
    If you can't follow the conversation for yourself, I'll break it down for you.


    A Poster was confused as to whether he was a defendant.
    I quoted the bit out of the independent outlining his charges.


    Simple, stop arguing with me about something I didn't say or prove I said it.

    but why quote me if you agree with what i said?


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    #42
    dr.bollocko
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    They should melt him down and build a homeless shelter out of him.


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    #43
    bjork
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,554 ✭✭✭bjork


    Beano wrote: »
    but why quote me if you agree with what i said?
    Because it was you who thought it was the defendant- You obviously didn't bother to read the article


    Beano wrote: »
    is he a criminal? i thought he was the defendant.


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    #44
    Satriale
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,023 ✭✭✭Satriale


    The Backwards Man wrote: »
    Sounds a bit like an urban myth. Like the one where you can crap in Guard's hat if you're pregnant. And a woman.
    :eek:
    feck, now i know why he got so cranky!


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    #45
    Beano
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,357 ✭✭✭Beano


    bjork wrote: »
    Because it was you who thought it was the defendant- You obviously didn't bother to read the article

    you seem to be confused. He IS the defendant.


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    #46
    bjork
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,554 ✭✭✭bjork


    Beano wrote: »
    you seem to be confused. He IS the defendant.

    Ok I stand corrected on the use of the term defendant (I would have called him the accused but I see now both terms are interchangeable)



    Now, Would you like to point out where I said he was a criminal?


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    #47
    Beano
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,357 ✭✭✭Beano


    bjork wrote: »
    Ok I stand corrected on the use of the term defendant (I would have called him the accused but I see now both terms are interchangeable)



    Now, Would you like to point out where I said he was a criminal?

    i never said you did.


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    #48
    Strong Life in Dublin
    Registered Users Posts: 487 ✭✭Strong Life in Dublin


    Beano wrote: »
    not true. They are proposing to make it illegal but so far they have not done so. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30242641

    It is procuring it on the street that is illegal http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1993/en/act/pub/0020/sec0007.html#sec7

    Yeah exactly that's why I said escorts are legal............:confused:


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    #49
    Beano
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    Strong Life in Dublin wrote: »
    Actually paying sex have always been illegal! Escorts are legal because you are 'paying for their time'
    Strong Life in Dublin wrote: »
    Yeah exactly that's why I said escorts are legal............:confused:

    The part i was disagreeing with (and i thought this was clear from what i posted) was where you said paying for sex has always been illegal. Clearly it isnt.


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    #50
    Strong Life in Dublin
    Registered Users Posts: 487 ✭✭Strong Life in Dublin


    Beano wrote: »
    The part i was disagreeing with (and i thought this was clear from what i posted) was where you said paying for sex has always been illegal. Clearly it isnt.

    Ehh paying for sex is illegal, escorts get around it by charging for her time and companionship only. Yes, escorts often have sex with their clients, but that is a matter of coincidence and choice between consenting adults... It is not the escort selling sex to the client!


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    #51
    Grand Moff Tarkin
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 862 ✭✭✭Grand Moff Tarkin


    Free legal aid is just a money train for the legal profession. The more often a scut is before a judge the better for the lawyers in the state.


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    #52
    Beano
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    Strong Life in Dublin wrote: »
    Ehh paying for sex is illegal, escorts get around it by charging for her time and companionship only. Yes, escorts often have sex with their clients, but that is a matter of coincidence and choice between consenting adults... It is not the escort selling sex to the client!

    did you read the link i posted? the one where the government were proposing to make paying for sex illegal? Now why do you think they would be doing that if it was already illegal?


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    #53
    Beano
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    Strong Life in Dublin wrote: »
    Ehh paying for sex is illegal, escorts get around it by charging for her time and companionship only. Yes, escorts often have sex with their clients, but that is a matter of coincidence and choice between consenting adults... It is not the escort selling sex to the client!

    and you dont pay for their time. you pay them to leave.


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    #54
    gctest50
    Registered Users Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭gctest50


    Beano wrote: »
    and you dont pay for their time. you pay them to leave.

    bit like the ex so ?


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    #55
    Beano
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,357 ✭✭✭Beano


    gctest50 wrote: »
    bit like the ex so ?

    expensive. but worth it.


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    #56
    homerjay2005
    Registered Users Posts: 29,346 ✭✭✭✭homerjay2005


    Grand Moff Tarkin wrote: »
    Free legal aid is just a money train for the legal profession. The more often a scut is before a judge the better for the lawyers in the state.

    does anybody have the figures for what was paid out by the state for FLA over recent years?


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    #57
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,434 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    homerjay2005 wrote: »
    does anybody have the figures for what was paid out by the state for FLA over recent years?

    http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/paying-the-price-for-justice-with-free-legal-aid-254724.html
    A NEW law is being drafted to control the €50m annual costs of providing legal aid to defendants in criminal trials.


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    #58
    Umaro
    Registered Users Posts: 1,561 ✭✭✭Umaro


    Strong Life in Dublin wrote: »
    Ehh paying for sex is illegal, escorts get around it by charging for her time and companionship only. Yes, escorts often have sex with their clients, but that is a matter of coincidence and choice between consenting adults... It is not the escort selling sex to the client!

    Aha. Cute hoors.


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    #59
    Wossack
    Registered Users Posts: 7,002 ✭✭✭Wossack


    Umaro wrote: »
    Aha. Cute hoors.

    theyre the best ones


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    #60
    homerjay2005
    Registered Users Posts: 29,346 ✭✭✭✭homerjay2005


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/paying-the-price-for-justice-with-free-legal-aid-254724.html

    thought it was higher to be honest! i wonder does it include non criminal cases also?


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    #61
    Beano
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,357 ✭✭✭Beano


    homerjay2005 wrote: »
    thought it was higher to be honest! i wonder does it include non criminal cases also?

    there is a separate civil legal aid fund.


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