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Legal aid, Going to Lanzerote

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  • 05-01-2015 12:16pm
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    Timberrrrrrrr
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    Hopefully this will start some other judges clamping down on scrotes receiving FLA all of the time.

    'There is bit of a contradiction here - you are on legal aid and going on sun holiday in January' - Judge tells man in court

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/there-is-bit-of-a-contradiction-here-you-are-on-legal-aid-and-going-on-sun-holiday-in-january-judge-tells-man-in-court-30882302.html
    Clayton Cahill (23) insisted the planned January break in Lanzarote was a Christmas surprise from his father, who he has "not seen in years".
    Judge Walsh said he wanted to "see the ticket" and for the accused's father to come to court to back up his explanation.
    When asked why by the judge, the accused said it was because he would be on holiday in Lanzarote, which was a surprise from his father.

    "I haven't seen him in years," the accused said. "He lives on the northside somewhere."

    The judge asked Mr Cahill if his father could come to court to tell him about "this proposed holiday".


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    hfallada
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    I think the best example of a judge cracking down on FLA. Was when the Gardai had a string operation pretending to be hookers. They caught and were charging like 22 men. Something like 9 applied for FLA. But the judge denied it to all of them because if you can buy for sex, then you can pay for legal aid.


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    The Peanut
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    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Hopefully this will start some other judges clamping down on scrotes receiving FLA all of the time.



    It doesn't appear that this judge is going to be the one to start.:rolleyes:

    "I am not going to cancel his legal aid, I just want a bit more insight into how he is financing all this," the judge said


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    The Backwards Man
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    In fairness, a week in Lanzarote would only constitute about an hour of legal fees.


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    kneemos
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    His father is paying for it.Fill me in so I know what to whine about.


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    floggg
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    hfallada wrote: »
    I think the best example of a judge cracking down on FLA. Was when the Gardai had a string operation pretending to be hookers. They caught and were charging like 22 men. Something like 9 applied for FLA. But the judge denied it to all of them because if you can buy for sex, then you can pay for legal aid.

    Pretty dumb of tbe judge. They were only accused by that stage, and so the judge shouldnt and couldn't have rightly determined they paid for anything.

    Sounds like they would have good grounds for a mistrial if convicted


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    snubbleste
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    Clayton?
    Was his ma a fan of Dallas?


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    The Backwards Man
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    floggg wrote: »
    Pretty dumb of tbe judge. They were only accused by that stage, and so the judge shouldnt and couldn't have rightly determined they paid for anything.

    Sounds like they would have good grounds for a mistrial if convicted

    Sounds a bit like an urban myth. Like the one where you can crap in Guard's hat if you're pregnant. And a woman.


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    somuj
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    hfallada wrote: »
    I think the best example of a judge cracking down on FLA. Was when the Gardai had a string operation pretending to be hookers. They caught and were charging like 22 men. Something like 9 applied for FLA. But the judge denied it to all of them because if you can buy for sex, then you can pay for legal aid.

    Paying for sex in Ireland wasnt a crime untill recently. Still might not have finalised in the Dail. So that is a load of crap.


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    Collie D
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    hfallada wrote: »
    I think the best example of a judge cracking down on FLA. Was when the Gardai had a string operation pretending to be hookers. They caught and were charging like 22 men. Something like 9 applied for FLA. But the judge denied it to all of them because if you can buy for sex, then you can pay for legal aid.

    Sounds a bit far fetched to me. I don't think the Guards have resources or inclination to set up fake brothel stings. Also I'm not actually sure if paying for sex is illegal although I'm open to correction.


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    Beano
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    Collie D wrote: »
    Sounds a bit far fetched to me. I don't think the Guards have resources or inclination to set up fake brothel stings. Also I'm not actually sure if paying for sex is illegal although I'm open to correction.

    it wasnt the paying for it that was illegal. it was procuring it on the streets that was illegal as i recall.


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    lakesider
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    The judge has no right to ask the mans father to do anything..its not him that has been summoned to court!


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    bear1
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    The funniest part of the story is the fact that he hasn't seen his father in years due to him living somewhere in North Dublin (he says it like it was NZ) and then out of the blue the father gives him a holiday to Lanzarote and is going to give money with it as well.... Doesn't sound dodgy at all.


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    snubbleste
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    Maybe he doesn't know who his father is?


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    bjork
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    Wasn't a girl last year who couldn't turn up in court because she also was on a sun holiday. Recking my brain to remember more details but IIRC they were serious enough charges


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    The_Captain
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    hfallada wrote: »
    I think the best example of a judge cracking down on FLA. Was when the Gardai had a string operation pretending to be hookers. They caught and were charging like 22 men. Something like 9 applied for FLA. But the judge denied it to all of them because if you can buy for sex, then you can pay for legal aid.

    They'll both f**k you, but a solicitor charges far more for it


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    Strong Life in Dublin
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    somuj wrote: »
    Paying for sex in Ireland wasnt a crime untill recently. Still might not have finalised in the Dail. So that is a load of crap.

    Actually paying sex have always been illegal! Escorts are legal because you are 'paying for their time'


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    anncoates
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    A cheapo holiday to the canaries doesn't automatically mean you can afford a huge legal bill.


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    Strong Life in Dublin
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    anncoates wrote: »
    A cheapo holiday to the canaries doesn't automatically mean you can afford a huge legal bill.

    Yeah pretty much, flights and accommodation would be extremely cheap this time of the year


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    Beano
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    Strong Life in Dublin wrote: »
    Actually paying sex have always been illegal! Escorts are legal because you are 'paying for their time'

    not true. They are proposing to make it illegal but so far they have not done so. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30242641

    It is procuring it on the street that is illegal http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1993/en/act/pub/0020/sec0007.html#sec7


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    anncoates
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    Strong Life in Dublin wrote: »
    Yeah pretty much, flights and accommodation would be extremely cheap this time of the year

    Here, don't let common sense derail the Outrage Express before it leaves the station. :)


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    kneemos
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    Sergio Georgini wrote: »
    Wow. Just wow. People are actually defending the criminal in this scenario? Have I missed something?

    Yeah,he hasn't been convicted so is not a criminal and his father is paying for it.


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    Timberrrrrrrr
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    kneemos wrote: »
    Yeah,he hasn't been convicted so is not a criminal and his father is paying for it.

    Allegedly


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    Collie D
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    Sergio Georgini wrote: »
    Wow. Just wow. People are actually defending the criminal in this scenario? Have I missed something?

    Wow. People are actually ignoring the presumption of innocence?

    Seems you've missed a fair bit. Or maybe it's just me and my naïve, bleeding heart ways.


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    Beano
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    Sergio Georgini wrote: »
    Wow. Just wow. People are actually defending the criminal in this scenario? Have I missed something?

    is he a criminal? i thought he was the defendant.


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    Little CuChulainn
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    I was in court a few years ago and a young lad was up for burglary. He applied for legal aid and someone went over and whispered something to the Garda in the box. The Garda then advised the court that he believed the accused had recently received a quarter million from a childhood injury. The judge was not impressed with the solicitor at all for trying to claim legal aid. I think they changed their plea to guilty on the spot.


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    m5ex9oqjawdg2i
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    Sergio Georgini wrote: »
    Wow. Just wow. People are actually defending the criminal in this scenario? Have I missed something?

    Yea, you possibly have.

    "Surely if you own a 15 bedroom castle, you have the money to heat all the rooms"

    "Surely if you could afford a 3.5L Landrover you can afford to fill the fuel tank weekly"

    "Surely if you can pay for one thing then you must have money to pay for another thing"...

    It's flawed logic. The costs of a solicitor can be quite high, especially when you don't have the money for it. From the article, it seems like the accused (not criminal btw), was given the holiday by his father.

    FLA is based on a means test. He might have some savings and still get FLA.

    Wait, what am I saying "BURN THE WITCH!!! RAWR!!!"


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    bjork
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    Beano wrote: »
    is he a criminal? i thought he was the defendant.

    Mr Cahill, of Crumlin Park is charged with possession of cannabis at South Circular Road on November 28, 2013. He is also charged with being a passenger in a stolen vehicle at Ballymun Road on November 3, 2014.


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    Little CuChulainn
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    anncoates wrote: »
    A cheapo holiday to the canaries doesn't automatically mean you can afford a huge legal bill.

    An appearance in court does not automatically mean a huge legal bill. Both his offences are relatively minor.


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    Collie D
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    bjork wrote: »
    Mr Cahill, of Crumlin Park is charged with possession of cannabis at South Circular Road on November 28, 2013. He is also charged with being a passenger in a stolen vehicle at Ballymun Road on November 3, 2014.

    You do know the difference between a charge and a conviction, right?


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    Beano
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    bjork wrote: »
    Mr Cahill, of Crumlin Park is charged with possession of cannabis at South Circular Road on November 28, 2013. He is also charged with being a passenger in a stolen vehicle at Ballymun Road on November 3, 2014.

    charged being the operative word. One is not a criminal until one has been found guilty.


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