The Andrew formally known as Prince in jep?

salmocab

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123968608#Comment_123968608

he does have a good track record of making things better by opening his mouth in fairness

knucklehead6

Not standing up for him but slightly glad to see that he is being allowed retain his medal awarded for service during the falklands war.

Oscar_Madison

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123968880#Comment_123968880

I presume it’s the only medal he “earned”- all others were “awarded” or received by default for whatever reasons.

Whilst I understand and support the stripping of everything bar his monogrammed underpants from him, it doesn’t lead us any closer to the truth in terms of his actual involvement in all of the abuse accusations.

It could be argued that his £12 million civil case settlement was done by the palace as a “least worst option” approach - in the NY Courts system, something like 94% of civil cases are settled outside of court.
I imagine had they gone to court, between Andrews complete lack of empathy in what he says and ability to make a bad situation worse, coupled with the likelihood of a finding against him, coupled with the massive negative publicity of testimony from Virginia and the additional cans of worms that would open up- coupled with legal bills on both sides paid for by the palace- coupled with the queens 70th the following year- then add compensation to all of that - the “price” the palace would have paid, would have been much greater than £12 million. They nearly got a bargain there!

cap.in.hand.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123969300#Comment_123969300

In Andrew's case....he has always said his association/friendship with Epstein was through his real relationship/friendship with Maxwell.... If Maxwell was being investigated in her own right by the American authorities...then Andrew's non cooperation into Maxwell's activities being investigated would be a very poor reflection on him more so than the Epstein/Andrew association that's now being investigated...looks like Epstein was the paymaster and Maxwell the procurement agent for the teenage girls for all the invited guests including Andrew.

Oscar_Madison

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123969454#Comment_123969454

Maxwell was certainly the “procurement agent” for Epstein - there’s any number of testimonies for that.

But nothing came out of her trial as far as I’m aware, in terms of procurement of “girls” for Andrew - obviously aside from Virginia.
Do you believe he was an active and regular participant? Shirley “someone” would have come forward by now- he couldn’t be any more shamed.

Virginia only names Andrew in her book as far as I’m aware- this is obviously post civil lawsuit -she alludes to an ex prime minister without naming him out of fear for her own life (understandable given who he is/was)- she’d have any number of govt agents from that country no less citizens after her-

but she also describes a number of US politicians and business people whom again she doesn’t name but are identifiable by their descriptions - she mentions that naming them would tie her up in legal processes for years. She did name one in the past but had to retract that and say she was mistaken as to the person - that in itself was very strange.

there were allegedly dozens of girls and 100s of encounters with very famous and influential people - but all we hear about is Andrew- something is not right here. Where is the detail? Are these so called “Epstein files” that explosive or do they actually contain anything that could be classed as evidence? Did all or indeed many of these associates of Epstein partake in such crimes- or was it simply Epstein himself , bar a few associates that have been highlighted but not named?

cap.in.hand.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123969626#Comment_123969626

Maxwell and Andrew were probably boyfriend/girlfriend at some stage...the same arrangement she probably had with Epstein when she moved to America.... Looks like the 2 of them were her favourites!!!!! And would do anything for them.…..Andrew prancing around with nubile girls would be only be with Epstein and Maxwell in attendance I'd say...I don't think bill Clinton and Co would be in attendance at this frollicking

Hermy

Shirley “someone” would have come forward by now…

A dirty scummy neighbour tried to groom me as a child. I was in my twenties before I told my parents.

I can't imagine how difficult it would be for someone who may have been abused by Andrew Windsor to come forward.

Bogey Lowenstein

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123969940#Comment_123969940

These things are never straightforward. Somebody might have buried it in the back of their mind because it is too painful and then something happens years later that brings it all back.

I believe it was giving birth to her daughter that made Virginia want to expose Andrew and seek justice.

Oscar_Madison

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123969940#Comment_123969940

It’s a fair point. But also, we’ve seen many “Jane Doe’s” come forward via lawyers in America for say, Bill Cosby amongst other offenders- we’ve also seen similar in the UK for say Saville and Harris - a momentum happens very quickly-once the “news” was out there that these people were a sex offender. Victims names can be protected

These “girls” would be in their 30s-40s now given it was 20+ years ago. Whilst many came forward to make themselves available for Epstein’s trial- against Epstein -we haven’t seen any significant efforts to hold the alleged “others” to some form of justice. That’s really my point - who are these others? How many? And why no legal cases? Is there really an “Epstein file” and does it contain damning information on Andrew and these “others”?

Oscar_Madison

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123969964#Comment_123969964

Given the very public dethroning of Andrew recently, on the basis of information that has essentially been known for years, my guess is that the RF and others have been permitted to have sight of what’s to come- hence these actions now. They know what the road ahead holds for Andrew

Oscar_Madison

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123970020#Comment_123970020

That would have required a criminal trial - I believe there was no case to answer in the UK for whatever reason when Virginia made a complaint in the early 2010s and I’m guessing some form of statute of limitations in America but may someone else can clearly explain

yagan

Anyone mention randy Andy's bangkok bonkfest from 2001 yet?

https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/3129786/andrew-had-40-prostitutes-brought-to-bangkok-hotel

silliussoddius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123970002#Comment_123970002

Does anyone else think the term “Epstein Files” is very simplistic? It’s not as if he had a list of names with “Check here for pedo” box, he interacted with god knows how many people who had absolutely no idea of his dark side. It’s not as if he introduced himself as “Jeffrey Epstein, sex monster” and invited people straight away to rape women.
There’s obviously a case to be made against co-conspirators but the idea of a magical list is nonsense.
I think the initial case in Florida where he got off very lightly is the place to start.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123970072#Comment_123970072

Yes.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123954883#Comment_123954883

yagan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123970166#Comment_123970166

Is this like the "she's was wearing a mini skirt, or course she wanted sex" defence?

Oscar_Madison

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123970084#Comment_123970084

I used the term simply because it’s a common phrase used in America and the press- I take your point in that it’s obviously not a list of peoples names - it’s likely 1000s of emails photos and other potentially incriminating information - on whom who knows - the Democrats didn’t release these files and neither are the MAGA lot - so who knows what’s in them if anything

Bogey Lowenstein

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123970242#Comment_123970242

I think you would find some very powerful people in them who are large donors to both parties but something else I think you would find, and the main reason that they will never be made public is links to a certain 3 letter agency and a very small country that is never out of the news.

josip

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123968078#Comment_123968078

The Orange Order predate the House of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha (aka Windsor) by 28 years.

Peregrinus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123970029#Comment_123970029

So far as we know, Giuffre made a complaint to the Metropolitan Police in 2015. That did not result in a finding of "no case to answer". Rather, the Met decided that they would not proceed to a full criminal investigation on the basis that the alleged offences were “largely focused on activities and relationships outside the UK”, meaning that they could be more appropriately and more effectively investigated by the US authorities. They reviewed the matter in 2021 and reaffirmed that decision.

More recently, they are reported to have opened a separate investigation into an allegation that Windsor asked a police officer to dig up information on Giuffre, and gave the officer her social security number for that purpose. SFAIK that investigation has not reached a conclusion yet.

Stanley 1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123970084#Comment_123970084

Epstein was not the type of guy who would take a slapdown lightly, his activities and fortune continued to grow despite his sex offender status, Trump and he fell out, started a war against each other, it culminated with Epstein's "suicide" in a NY jail.

cap.in.hand.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123977084#Comment_123977084

You'd have to wonder would Andrew be in a better or worse position today if Epstein's trial has actually gone ahead.... obviously Epstein being still alive ....and if found guilty... would be jailed... with Maxwell also facing charges.....he probably wouldn't need to do the infamous 2019 interview ....case closed.

Stanley 1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123977294#Comment_123977294

Would think Giuffre would have proceeded with her book and exposure, the 12m gave her freedom to proceed.

However, Epstein was a dirty player and think he wanted Trump's head on a silver tray.