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Major Crash In Kerry

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    #32
    thadg
    Registered Users Posts: 269 ✭✭thadg


    Breffnigolfer wrote: »
    And foreigners in the other car.

    are they not from the uk, which drive on the same side of the road as us.


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    #33
    Streetwalker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,906 ✭✭✭Streetwalker


    Breffnigolfer wrote: »
    Ask any Gardai off the record? Are you smoking something?

    Tell us when the Gardai were properly resourced(e.g. During the Celtic Tiger era) how they stopped road deaths?

    No I don't actually smoke.

    The Gardaí will tell you off the record. You mustn't know any or maybe they aren't the right ones who knows? It's a fact under resourced Gardaí aren't putting up as many roadblocks as normal and the idiots out on the road who take chances know it.


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    #34
    efb
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    Breffnigolfer wrote: »
    If you are talking about traffic volume then they're not needed. If it's road safety then every road should be dual carriage way.

    that makes no sense. What about people driving the wrong way???

    Road safety would take more cars off the roads instead of building more, if it just wanted to reduce deaths


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    #35
    efb
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    veryangryman wrote: »
    Within a radius of the airport (assuming the airport is taken seriously). For sake of argument, i would say N21->N22 and N23.

    I know, its a waste of money saving a few lives sure

    I would question the need for the DC, there are other ways for reducing fatalities.


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    #36
    Breffnigolfer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 294 ✭✭Breffnigolfer


    veryangryman wrote: »
    ......ts no coincidence that during 2007-2009 (as other poster points out) that injuries went down from 7500 odd to 700 odd during an unprecedented time of upgraded roads. The facts speak for themselves.

    ........

    Your numbers for injuries are not correct. 2012, for example, saw close on 8,000 injuries in road traffic accidents.


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    #37
    thadg
    Registered Users Posts: 269 ✭✭thadg


    where it happened there used to be one of them "accident black spot" signs. farranfore to Killarney is a disaster of a road, and everyone travels on it at 60- 80kph


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    #38
    Breffnigolfer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 294 ✭✭Breffnigolfer


    Streetwalker wrote: »
    No I don't actually smoke.

    The Gardaí will tell you off the record. You mustn't know any or maybe they aren't the right ones who knows? It's a fact under resourced Gardaí aren't putting up as many roadblocks as normal and the idiots out on the road who take chances know it.

    When did roadblocks ever stop accidents?

    We have over 4,000 people getting penalty points every week, at a time you tell me the Gardai are whispering about lack of resources.

    Blame the drivers, not the authorities.


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    #39
    anncoates
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    KC161 wrote: »
    driver stupidity is a factor in a good few accidents

    This.

    Not commenting on this particular accident obviously, but generally speaking, there's only much enforcement and resources can offset the sheer determination of some people to drive like fools.


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    #40
    efb
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_road_traffic_accidents_deaths_in_Republic_of_Ireland_by_year


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    #41
    Breffnigolfer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 294 ✭✭Breffnigolfer


    efb wrote: »
    I would question the need for the DC, there are other ways for reducing fatalities.

    Nobody said they were needed.

    Nobody is disputing other factors would not work.


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    #42
    ngcxt6
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    4 helicopters were used and 1 aircraft was put on standby.

    2 coastguard and 2 air corps helicopters landed and the air corp plane was on standby.


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    #43
    Karl Stein
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    efb wrote: »
    that makes no sense. What about people driving the wrong way???

    In fairness that's quite rare. Motorways and good dual carriage ways ensure everyone is travelling in the same direction and eliminates dangerous situations like cars pulling out from feeder roads and overtaking into oncoming traffic.

    The Cork to Mallow road was fairly notorious for fatalities before they put in cables to keep cars on their own side of the road.


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    #44
    efb
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    Karl Stein wrote: »
    In fairness that's quite rare. Motorways and good dual carriage ways ensure everyone is travelling in the same direction and eliminates dangerous situations like cars pulling out from feeder roads and overtaking into oncoming traffic.

    The Cork to Mallow road was fairly notorious for fatalities before they put in cables to keep cars on their own side of the road.

    You can still have pile ups etc.

    Is there a feasible way to reduce deaths?


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    #45
    Nodin
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    thadg wrote: »
    are they not from the uk, which drive on the same side of the road as us.

    Correct
    It is understood that British family (two adults and three children) were
    travelling in the rented Peugeot vehicle.
    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/miracle-as-14-escape-death-in-horror-road-smash-30868611.html


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    #46
    efb
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    Breffnigolfer wrote: »
    Nobody said they were needed.

    Nobody is disputing other factors would not work.

    So why make the suggestion?


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    #47
    Streetwalker
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    Breffnigolfer wrote: »
    When did roadblocks ever stop accidents?

    We have over 4,000 people getting penalty points every week, at a time you tell me the Gardai are whispering about lack of resources.

    Blame the drivers, not the authorities.

    Only 4,000. There you have it. How are so many getting away with driving drunk or driving whilst using their mobile smart phone (which is an epidemic now)? Lack of enforcement and our pathetic justice system. Caught driving drunk? wave your licence goodbye forever. Caught driving whilst using your phone? Three strikes and it's gone forever. We need to get tough on these scumbags and our police force need to be given the resources to bring these criminals to justice.

    Anyway im done here. Hope all are safe and make it out of the hospital ok


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    #48
    efb
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    Streetwalker wrote: »
    Only 4,000. There you have it. How are so many getting away with driving drunk or driving whilst using their mobile smart phone (which is an epidemic now)? Lack of enforcement and our pathetic justice system. Caught driving drunk? wave your licence goodbye forever. Caught driving whilst using your phone? Three strikes and it's gone forever. We need to get tough on these scumbags and our police force need to be given the resources to bring these criminals to justice.

    and watch them get off on a technicality


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    #49
    boardsuser1
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    Streetwalker wrote: »
    Only 4,000. There you have it. How are so many getting away with driving drunk or driving whilst using their mobile smart phone (which is an epidemic now)? Lack of enforcement and our pathetic justice system. Caught driving drunk? wave your licence goodbye forever. Caught driving whilst using your phone? Three strikes and it's gone forever. We need to get tough on these scumbags and our police force need to be given the resources to bring these criminals to justice.

    But sure the police force are too busy protecting irish water workers ffs,any update on the injured?


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    #50
    alistair spuds
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    Must have been Donegal people in Kerry.

    Serious road accidents can only occur in Donegal, or so we are led to believe, so how did this happen ?


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    #51
    Breffnigolfer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 294 ✭✭Breffnigolfer


    Nodin wrote: »
    Correct


    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/miracle-as-14-escape-death-in-horror-road-smash-30868611.html

    Still foreign!


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    #52
    Karl Stein
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,689 ✭✭✭Karl Stein


    efb wrote: »
    You can still have pile ups etc.

    Of course but they're very rare. Motorways are far safer than single carriageway roads. A concrete divider and crash barriers go a long way to reducing the harm a bad driver can do to himself and others.
    Is there a feasible way to reduce deaths?

    Well we seem to have done quite a good job of reducing deaths with safer roads, penalty points, stricter alcohol limits, stigmatising of drink driving, policing and safer cars.

    Keep doing what we're doing I guess?

    Edit: The Coastguard Helo just came in again.


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    #53
    efb
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    but DC's aren't feasible in areas of low traffic volume, so the others are more feasible


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    #54
    Breffnigolfer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 294 ✭✭Breffnigolfer


    Streetwalker wrote: »
    Only 4,000. There you have it. How are so many getting away with driving drunk or driving whilst using their mobile smart phone (which is an epidemic now)? Lack of enforcement and our pathetic justice system. Caught driving drunk? wave your licence goodbye forever. Caught driving whilst using your phone? Three strikes and it's gone forever. We need to get tough on these scumbags and our police force need to be given the resources to bring these criminals to justice.

    Anyway im done here. Hope all are safe and make it out of the hospital ok

    You're delirious now!

    You think close on 250,000 drivers per year with penalty points is a small number?


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    #55
    Sikpupi
    Registered Users Posts: 376 ✭✭Sikpupi


    That's a horrendous bend ... It comes out of nowhere. Signage is ****e around it.....


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    #56
    Breffnigolfer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 294 ✭✭Breffnigolfer


    KC161 wrote: »
    But sure the police force are too busy protecting irish water workers ffs,any update on the injured?

    It's the Gardai.
    Cop on.

    Your faux concern is pathetic.


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    #57
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users Posts: 23,562 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    KC161 wrote: »
    But sure the police force are too busy protecting irish water workers ffs

    Well they wouldn't have to be protecting them if those workers with not being harassed, intimidated and threatened with violence when doing their jobs would they?


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    #58
    Karl Stein
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    What's with all the axe-grinding? Cop on lads.


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    #59
    Karl Stein
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,689 ✭✭✭Karl Stein


    efb wrote: »
    but DC's aren't feasible in areas of low traffic volume, so the others are more feasible

    I agree. Cable/concrete dividers, traffic calming, crash barriers, flyovers, straightening dangerous bends etc would probably suffice.


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    #60
    SEPT 23 1989
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    Karl Stein wrote: »
    What's with all the axe-grinding? Cop on lads.

    I will tell you why because these PR quango ghouls on massive saleries will claim success on the news knowing that its just a money making exercise


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    #61
    boardsuser1
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    Breffnigolfer wrote: »
    It's the Gardai.
    Cop on.

    Your faux concern is pathetic.

    I'm a bus driver myself fool, so my concern is genuine,troll off to another thread for yourself


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