Major Crash In Kerry

JONJO THE MISER

More than a dozen people are believed to have been injured after a major road crash between a minibus and an SUV at Farranfore in Co Kerry.

A number of children are believed to have been involved in the incident.

The extent of the injuries isn't known at this stage.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/1229/669483-up-to-a-dozen-injured-in-co-kerry-crash/

Hope everyone is not too badly hurt.

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Anyone know where the minibus was from?

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"Crash near Farranfore involving minbus and car. 14 people injured. Gardai say it appears injuries are not life-threatening. 2 miles of road between Farranfore and Killarney are closed and will remain so for some time say Tralee gardai. Use alternative routes. The crash happened around 5.40 pm." - Radio Kerry

BMJD

The twitter says none of the injuries are life threatening

Gael23

It sounds to be quite a major incident. Several helicopters have been deployed.

IsaacWunder

ryanf1 wrote: »

It sounds to be quite a major incident. Several helicopters have been deployed.

Are you sure? I heard helicopters on standby.

SeaFields

The reports seem to be a bit all over the place and have changed several times since the story broke. One did say earlier that four helicoptors had been deployed. Thankfully it seems non life threatening injuries.

Karl Stein

I was just playing soccer up near Cork University Hospital and in the adjacent GAA fields (where the choppers land) there was a fleet of ambulances collecting people from helicopters. I'm presuming it is related to this crash. If they were bringing people to CUH then that would suggest their injures are substantial.

It's understood that at least three of the injured, including children, have been taken by helicopter to Cork University Hospital.

rte.ie/news

PizzamanIRL

IsaacWunder wrote: »

Are you sure? I heard helicopters on standby.

News said coast guard helicopters came and airlifted some of them to hospital.

Karl Stein

The coastguard helicopter just flew in again. That's at least four landings.

SEPT 23 1989

So after all the tougher measures to raise more taxes and nothing to do with actual road safety brought in by Noel Brett and the RSA over the last few years we now will have a higher death toll on our roads this year

i presume there will be resignations in January

Breffnigolfer

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

So after all the tougher measures to raise more taxes and nothing to do with actual road safety brought in by Noel Brett and the RSA over the last few years we now will have a higher death toll on our roads this year

i presume there will be resignations in January

Imagine how bad it would have been had those measures not been implemented?

Noel Brett is long gone from RSA, BTW.

Streetwalker

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

So after all the tougher measures to raise more taxes and nothing to do with actual road safety brought in by Noel Brett and the RSA over the last few years we now will have a higher death toll on our roads this year

i presume there will be resignations in January

I know for a fact that because of cutbacks we are seeing more deaths on the roads due to lack of policing. Ask any Gardaí off the record and you'll know what I mean. Not to worry once the bank debts get paid off what.

Breffnigolfer

Streetwalker wrote: »

I know for a fact that because of cutbacks we are seeing more deaths on the roads due to lack of policing. Ask any Gardaí off the record and you'll know what I mean. Not to worry once the bank debts get paid off what.

Ask any Gardai off the record? Are you smoking something?

Tell us when the Gardai were properly resourced(e.g. During the Celtic Tiger era) how they stopped road deaths?

efb

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

So after all the tougher measures to raise more taxes and nothing to do with actual road safety brought in by Noel Brett and the RSA over the last few years we now will have a higher death toll on our roads this year

i presume there will be resignations in January

remember when the death tolls was 365+ were along way from that

boardsuser1

3 ambulances all under garda escort passed me outside cork university hospital at 8.40 this evening all with people from the crash

boardsuser1

efb wrote: »

remember when the death tolls was 365+ were along way from that

2006 I think that was

Stheno

The pictures on the indo site are horrific. Apparently it was a family of 9 travelling in the minibus

veryangryman

I blame the lack of upgrading roads, specifically Duallers since.

The N4 at Sligo, N20 for the most part. Heck even the road network around Kerry airport where this happened should be in better nick. Head on collisions are almost impossible to occur if you spend the money wisely on DCs. All the extra Gardai and 30KMPH speed limits wouldnt be 1% as effective.

Breffnigolfer

Stheno wrote: »

The pictures on the indo site are horrific. Apparently it was a family of 11 travelling in the minibus

And foreigners in the other car.

Karl Stein

efb wrote: »

remember when the death tolls was 365+ were along way from that

I'd imagine most of the reductions in fatalities is because of the Motorways and improved safety in cars.

efb

Year Deaths Injury Srs Inj
2000 415 12,043
2001 411 10,222
2002 376 9,206
2003 335 8,262
2004 374 7,867
2005 396 9,318
2006 365 8,575
2007 338 7,806
2008 279 610
2009 238 453
2010 212 388
2011 186 333
2012 161 300
2013 190 318
2014 176*

Breffnigolfer

Karl Stein wrote: »

I'd imagine most of the reductions in fatalities is because of the Motorways and improved safety in cars.

But some posters want to blame the Government? How can they do that if the trend is downwards?

boardsuser1

veryangryman wrote: »

I blame the lack of upgrading roads, specifically Duallers since.

The N4 at Sligo, N20 for the most part. Heck even the road network around Kerry airport where this happened should be in better nick. Head on collisions are almost impossible to occur if you spend the money wisely on DCs. All the extra Gardai and 30KMPH speed limits wouldnt be 1% as effective.

It was a head on collision,which vehicle was on the wrong side of the road to cause the crash??? It's not all about the condition of the roads either, driver stupidity is a factor in a good few accidents, my thoughts are with all the injured

efb

Karl Stein wrote: »

I'd imagine most of the reductions in fatalities is because of the Motorways and improved safety in cars.

And the Penalty points and reduction in alcohol limits

efb

veryangryman wrote: »

I blame the lack of upgrading roads, specifically Duallers since.

The N4 at Sligo, N20 for the most part. Heck even the road network around Kerry airport where this happened should be in better nick. Head on collisions are almost impossible to occur if you spend the money wisely on DCs. All the extra Gardai and 30KMPH speed limits wouldnt be 1% as effective.

Kerry Needs Dual Carriageways??? From where to where???

veryangryman

KC161 wrote: »

It was a head on collision,which vehicle was on the wrong side of the road to cause the crash??? It's not all about the condition of the roads either, driver stupidity is a factor in a good few accidents, my thoughts are with all the injured

So are mine. However, prevention is better than cure. You can help the next bunch that your thoughts will be with by investing now. Its no coincidence that during 2007-2009 (as other poster points out) that injuries went down from 7500 odd to 700 odd during an unprecedented time of upgraded roads. The facts speak for themselves.

And yes, you cant help someone driving stupid. Still id rather save 90% than none of the 100%

boardsuser1

veryangryman wrote: »

So are mine. However, prevention is better than cure. You can help the next bunch that your thoughts will be with by investing now. Its no coincidence that during 2007-2009 (as other poster points out) that injuries went down from 7500 odd to 700 odd during an unprecedented time of upgraded roads. The facts speak for themselves.

And yes, you cant help someone driving stupid. Still id rather save 90% than none of the 100%

No disputing that

Breffnigolfer

efb wrote: »

Kerry Needs Dual Carriageways??? From where to where???

If you are talking about traffic volume then they're not needed. If it's road safety then every road should be dual carriage way.

veryangryman

efb wrote: »

Kerry Needs Dual Carriageways??? From where to where???

Within a radius of the airport (assuming the airport is taken seriously). For sake of argument, i would say N21->N22 and N23.

I know, its a waste of money saving a few lives sure

efb

veryangryman wrote: »

So are mine. However, prevention is better than cure. You can help the next bunch that your thoughts will be with by investing now. Its no coincidence that during 2007-2009 (as other poster points out) that injuries went down from 7500 odd to 700 odd during an unprecedented time of upgraded roads. The facts speak for themselves.

And yes, you cant help someone driving stupid. Still id rather save 90% than none of the 100%

they only measure serious injuries since then that explains the unprecendeted fall.

thadg

Breffnigolfer wrote: »

And foreigners in the other car.

are they not from the uk, which drive on the same side of the road as us.

Streetwalker

Breffnigolfer wrote: »

Ask any Gardai off the record? Are you smoking something?

Tell us when the Gardai were properly resourced(e.g. During the Celtic Tiger era) how they stopped road deaths?

No I don't actually smoke.

The Gardaí will tell you off the record. You mustn't know any or maybe they aren't the right ones who knows? It's a fact under resourced Gardaí aren't putting up as many roadblocks as normal and the idiots out on the road who take chances know it.

efb

Breffnigolfer wrote: »

If you are talking about traffic volume then they're not needed. If it's road safety then every road should be dual carriage way.

that makes no sense. What about people driving the wrong way???

Road safety would take more cars off the roads instead of building more, if it just wanted to reduce deaths

efb

veryangryman wrote: »

Within a radius of the airport (assuming the airport is taken seriously). For sake of argument, i would say N21->N22 and N23.

I know, its a waste of money saving a few lives sure

I would question the need for the DC, there are other ways for reducing fatalities.

Breffnigolfer

veryangryman wrote: »

......ts no coincidence that during 2007-2009 (as other poster points out) that injuries went down from 7500 odd to 700 odd during an unprecedented time of upgraded roads. The facts speak for themselves.

........

Your numbers for injuries are not correct. 2012, for example, saw close on 8,000 injuries in road traffic accidents.

thadg

where it happened there used to be one of them "accident black spot" signs. farranfore to Killarney is a disaster of a road, and everyone travels on it at 60- 80kph

Breffnigolfer

Streetwalker wrote: »

No I don't actually smoke.

The Gardaí will tell you off the record. You mustn't know any or maybe they aren't the right ones who knows? It's a fact under resourced Gardaí aren't putting up as many roadblocks as normal and the idiots out on the road who take chances know it.

When did roadblocks ever stop accidents?

We have over 4,000 people getting penalty points every week, at a time you tell me the Gardai are whispering about lack of resources.

Blame the drivers, not the authorities.

anncoates

KC161 wrote: »

driver stupidity is a factor in a good few accidents

This.

Not commenting on this particular accident obviously, but generally speaking, there's only much enforcement and resources can offset the sheer determination of some people to drive like fools.

efb

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_road_traffic_accidents_deaths_in_Republic_of_Ireland_by_year

Breffnigolfer

efb wrote: »

I would question the need for the DC, there are other ways for reducing fatalities.

Nobody said they were needed.

Nobody is disputing other factors would not work.

ngcxt6

4 helicopters were used and 1 aircraft was put on standby.

2 coastguard and 2 air corps helicopters landed and the air corp plane was on standby.

Karl Stein

efb wrote: »

that makes no sense. What about people driving the wrong way???

In fairness that's quite rare. Motorways and good dual carriage ways ensure everyone is travelling in the same direction and eliminates dangerous situations like cars pulling out from feeder roads and overtaking into oncoming traffic.

The Cork to Mallow road was fairly notorious for fatalities before they put in cables to keep cars on their own side of the road.

efb

Karl Stein wrote: »

In fairness that's quite rare. Motorways and good dual carriage ways ensure everyone is travelling in the same direction and eliminates dangerous situations like cars pulling out from feeder roads and overtaking into oncoming traffic.

The Cork to Mallow road was fairly notorious for fatalities before they put in cables to keep cars on their own side of the road.

You can still have pile ups etc.

Is there a feasible way to reduce deaths?

Nodin

thadg wrote: »

are they not from the uk, which drive on the same side of the road as us.

Correct

It is understood that British family (two adults and three children) were
travelling in the rented Peugeot vehicle.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/miracle-as-14-escape-death-in-horror-road-smash-30868611.html

efb

Breffnigolfer wrote: »

Nobody said they were needed.

Nobody is disputing other factors would not work.

So why make the suggestion?

Streetwalker

Breffnigolfer wrote: »

When did roadblocks ever stop accidents?

We have over 4,000 people getting penalty points every week, at a time you tell me the Gardai are whispering about lack of resources.

Blame the drivers, not the authorities.

Only 4,000. There you have it. How are so many getting away with driving drunk or driving whilst using their mobile smart phone (which is an epidemic now)? Lack of enforcement and our pathetic justice system. Caught driving drunk? wave your licence goodbye forever. Caught driving whilst using your phone? Three strikes and it's gone forever. We need to get tough on these scumbags and our police force need to be given the resources to bring these criminals to justice.

Anyway im done here. Hope all are safe and make it out of the hospital ok

efb

Streetwalker wrote: »

Only 4,000. There you have it. How are so many getting away with driving drunk or driving whilst using their mobile smart phone (which is an epidemic now)? Lack of enforcement and our pathetic justice system. Caught driving drunk? wave your licence goodbye forever. Caught driving whilst using your phone? Three strikes and it's gone forever. We need to get tough on these scumbags and our police force need to be given the resources to bring these criminals to justice.

and watch them get off on a technicality

boardsuser1

Streetwalker wrote: »

Only 4,000. There you have it. How are so many getting away with driving drunk or driving whilst using their mobile smart phone (which is an epidemic now)? Lack of enforcement and our pathetic justice system. Caught driving drunk? wave your licence goodbye forever. Caught driving whilst using your phone? Three strikes and it's gone forever. We need to get tough on these scumbags and our police force need to be given the resources to bring these criminals to justice.

But sure the police force are too busy protecting irish water workers ffs,any update on the injured?

alistair spuds

Must have been Donegal people in Kerry.

Serious road accidents can only occur in Donegal, or so we are led to believe, so how did this happen ?

Breffnigolfer

Nodin wrote: »

Correct


http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/miracle-as-14-escape-death-in-horror-road-smash-30868611.html

Still foreign!