Springer papers.

snipe49

002.JPGSome good dog on here what do ye think.

hathcock

snipe49 wrote: »

002.JPGSome good dog on here what do ye think.

papers are all fine and dandy,but iv'e seen dogs with similar papers that weren't worth a hat of skins,the proof of the dog is when they do the business,hope he turns out to be a super dog,but don't rely on pedigree alone.

snipe49

hathcock wrote: »

papers are all fine and dandy,but iv'e seen dogs with similar papers that weren't worth a hat of skins,the proof of the dog is when they do the business,hope he turns out to be a super dog,but don't rely on pedigree alone.

He is a good soft plenty of drive.

useurowname

Fairly good bloodlines but you're going back three generations to get a champion so as regards breeding it doesn't make my eyes pop. Best if you know either of the parents and can see them work and like the look and style of them.

snipe49

useurowname wrote: »

Fairly good bloodlines but you're going back three generations to get a champion so as regards breeding it doesn't make my eyes pop. Best if you know either of the parents and can see them work and like the look and style of them.

I have this dog he's 2 years old.

rebok classic

that pedigree be handy if ya get caught short out hunting someday

270WIN

snipe49 wrote: »

002.JPGSome good dog on here what do ye think.

what u on about?? i see no dog nor never saw him working...how can we decide if he's any good or not

Kells1

snipe49 wrote: »

002.JPGSome good dog on here what do ye think.

Very nice looking breeding there lad. Laced with real hard going dogs on all the lines monalue, sprucehill,bridevalley,bramble taff . Any pictures of him. How is he working?

rebok classic

why is half of it covered


really the only thing you can take from a pedigree is if there are ftch or ftw above a name you know there was a good chance of no hard mouth the dog had drive could find game and was trainable other than that you need to see parents hunting\working though rhere are hard going lines many soft\bad dogs were also bred from these lines hence the only real generation of importance is the 1st 1 if you know for sure these are what you want it makes looking at the other gens worth while many the ball of sh1te came with a great pedigree show us your dog not its pedigree

snipe49

270WIN wrote: »

what u on about?? i see no dog nor never saw him working...how can we decide if he's any good or not

What with some lads on here spoiling for a row. I said there were some good dogs on the papers yes or now. could u not say have u any pictures or video of him before u go off on one !

rebok classic

snipe49 wrote: »

What with some lads on here spoiling for a row. I said there were some good dogs on the papers yes or now. could u not say have u any pictures or video of him before u go off on one !

promise ill go easy on ya

snipe49

rebok classic wrote: »

why is half of it covered


really the only thing you can take from a pedigree is if there are ftch or ftw above a name you know there was a good chance of no hard mouth the dog had drive could find game and was trainable other than that you need to see parents hunting\working though rhere are hard going lines many soft\bad dogs were also bred from these lines hence the only real generation of importance is the 1st 1 if you know for sure these are what you want it makes looking at the other gens worth while many the ball of sh1te came with a great pedigree show us your dog not its pedigree

U show me your's and i'll show u mine

rebok classic

snipe49 wrote: »

U show me your's and i'll show u mine

i wouldn't embarrass myself by showing those yolks I have to the public
no thanks but im not the 1 mouthing about them so show us
walk the walk

snipe49

rebok classic wrote: »

i wouldn't embarrass myself by showing those yolks I have to the public
no thanks but im not the 1 mouthing about them so show us
walk the walk

Read what i said. That there were some good dogs on the papers. Go on show us your's some people love pink poodles.

rebok classic

snipe49 wrote: »

Read what i said. That there were some good dogs on the papers. Go on show us your's some people love pink poodles.

oh god i was right the first time so hang on to those pares in case you need bum fodder while your out shooting some day ,, why is half covered up

rebok classic

snipe49 wrote: »

Read what i said. That there were some good dogs on the papers. Go on show us your's some people love pink poodles.

oh god i was right the first time so hang on to those papers in case you need bum fodder while your out shooting some day ,, why is half covered up

snipe49

rebok classic wrote: »

oh god i was right the first time so hang on to those papers in case you need bum fodder while your out shooting some day ,, why is half covered up

We have toilet roll here pal not a old news papers.:)

fiestaman

Paper never refused ink!

rebok classic

snipe49 wrote: »

We have toilet roll here pal not a old news papers.:)

oh lord walk the walk it seems you might need to use it to wipe your chin instead

snipe49

rebok classic wrote: »

oh lord walk the walk it seems you might need to use it to wipe your chin instead

What could u mean pal:rolleyes:

Cass

Cut out the crap.

Be civil, and stop the bitching.

First and ONLY warning lads.

highduck

rebok classic wrote: »

why is half of it covered


really the only thing you can take from a pedigree is if there are ftch or ftw above a name you know there was a good chance of no hard mouth the dog had drive could find game and was trainable other than that you need to see parents hunting\working though rhere are hard going lines many soft\bad dogs were also bred from these lines hence the only real generation of importance is the 1st 1 if you know for sure these are what you want it makes looking at the other gens worth while many the ball of sh1te came with a great pedigree show us your dog not its pedigree

A few full stops would be a help...............

The guy just asked what people thought of the pedigree.

I can see by this statement why you are highly unlikely to get a job managing the breeding programme in Coolmore stud.If they just worked on the 1st generation.........???????

It seems to me that on boards its the people that (seem to know the least about dog pedigrees) are the most to criticize them. They seem to be the self proclaimed gurus of gundog success(online!!!!!!!!!!).

I know 80% of the dogs in this pedigree(going back 20yrs) and without ever seeing any dog that you've owned-I'd be confident that these dogs on their worst day they would blow a hole any of them. You told the OP to show us the dog.He didn't ask you to judge his dog,he asked what people thought of the pedigree!!Show us your dog!!!!!You're well able to knock another mans pedigree.Hes only blocked out the breeders details off the top of the photo(out of courtesy)

Breeding is a lottery but basing it on 2 dogs alone is not the best practice. If guys wanted to do anything for the breed(and the men that shoot over them) it might pay them to research their matings a bit better than just looking at the dog and bitch.

There is plenty of sh1te out there(and probably more) from your suggested breeding strategy.

Rant over.

allan450

I stayed away from this tread as it was derailed from the start.[as per most of the hunting treads the last while]but you my friend have summed it up in a nut shell.if breeding was so easy sure why not put the two best dogs together and we all have the best dogs going.it doesnt work like that.A lot of lads on here seem to get jealous when dogs are mentioned/pedigree or birds shot in a weekend ect ect. Their are some nice dogs on your pedigree mate.hope he is running well for you.best of luck Allan

allan450

Their is my springers lines hey he must be ****e and only able to to run for 2 hours and then rested for 3 days before you can bring him out again.ha ha

highduck

allan450 wrote: »

Their is my springers lines hey he must be ****e and only able to to run for 2 hours and then rested for 3 days before you can bring him out again.ha ha

Oh no!!! He has some FTCH,Int FTCH and FTWs. He cant be any good because I recognise dogs going back more than one generation!!!!!

I'll PM you with the details of FTCH annonomous. We meet twice a week.Its hard but, worth it. You'll learn that papers are not everything, that there is rough-shooting dogs out there(with no papers) that could be FTCHs if their owners FELT! like competing. We will eventually get you back to the OLD TYPE TRADITIONAL DOG(with no trial breeding in it,Go all day, SMASH down houses.......yeah really houses!!!!!! you'd better believe it.....I read it on a post HERE so it MUST BE TRUE!!!!!!).

Did you know that there has never been a BIG trial dog.Yeah they put in the Chiwawaw!!!!(spelling???) so that the judges couldnt see how bad the trial dogs were in cover....and to make their noses smaller so they could'nt find a pan of rashers in a phone box...Yeah!!!

Badgercourt Druid,Laganmill Maestro+Malvern,Bramble Taff,Warlord,Monalue Hacker,Hollydrive Theo+ Kurt,Broc,Bramble Taff,Gylpin,Romulus+Remus were ALL TINY, no bigger than 6inches tall(the trial boys wont admit it but they were all half yorkshire terriers.Yeah really!!!!!)

And as for Kenine Robb of Rytex..........well he was actually bred by..........THE DEVIL......to ruin hunting dogs!!!!!!!!!

Yeah your near the edge but you have to HIT ROCK BOTTOM to really want to be healed.

I'll PM you the number......

rebok classic

So you would breed from a pedigree even if the 1st 2 dogs were not up to scratch? I'm all for pedigrees but it's the 1st gen that makes the rest important you jumped to some very silly conclusions I'm all for pedigrees I've no need to defend my dogs on here this is not school so don't criticise my punctuation pedigree means f all unless the dog or bitch it belongs to are good so show us your dog not it's pedigree . This dog will prob be for sale soon. Alan if your referring to the Springer in your YouTube vids I'd quite down if I were you he has a nice ped but looks very average all my dogs bar 1 are trial bred so I never. Once knocked trial dig highduck your right that was a rant

highduck

rebok classic wrote: »

So you would breed from a pedigree even if the 1st 2 dogs were not up to scratch? I'm all for pedigrees but it's the 1st gen that makes the rest important(Should be a Full Stop here!) you jumped to some very silly conclusions(Should be a Full Stop here!) I'm all for pedigrees(Should be a Full Stop here!) I've no need to defend my dogs on here(Should be a Full Stop here!) this is not school so don't criticise my punctuation(Should be a Full Stop here!) pedigree means f all unless the dog or bitch it belongs to are good so show us your dog not it's pedigree . This dog will prob be for sale soon. Alan if your referring to the Springer in your YouTube vids I'd quite down if I were you he has a nice ped but looks very average(Should be a Full Stop here!) all my dogs bar 1 are trial bred so I never.(Should not be a Full Stop here!) Once knocked trial dig(dogs?) highduck your right that was a rant

Thanks for your rant/reply.

I'm not really precious about capitals at the start of a sentence or spelling for that matter but the full stops really would make it easier to read.............

This is not a Rant,just a request(or maybe a little wind up)...........if we are both going to keep ranting.

Cass

Jaysus lads,

Can we stay on topic and leave the grammar lessons, snarky remarks, and bitching at the door.

By can we, i mean lets.

Thanks.

highduck

;)Sorry Teacher.

He started first:rolleyes:......Yeah but,No but,Yeah but No:eek:.......I was talking to my mammy and she said I was right.:o

Just kidding.:D


No offense meant. Just stirring it a bit:rolleyes:.........because I cant sleep.

I'll take my slap and go to bed.:o

:pac:Highduck

Cass

What slap?

I just cannot be arsed listening to back and forth that serves no purpose other than to provoke a row. It's also aimed at EVERYONE, and not one person only.

And i prefer Sir to teacher, just FYI.

highduck

Cass wrote: »

What slap?

I just cannot be arsed listening to back and forth that serves no purpose other than to provoke a row. It's also aimed at EVERYONE, and not one person only.

And i prefer Sir to teacher, just FYI.

Nice punctuation "Sir"

OK I'm gone.............:DBye.......