DPF removal in Munster?

snapple954

Hi all, this is my first post here so I'm hoping you guys can help me. After much headaches and frustration I have decided to remove the DPF from my 2008 Volkswagen Passat 2.0tdi 170bhp. The question I have is who is reliable and trustworthy to do this in the Munster area? I have got huge difference in the quotes for a removal and remap (between 300 and 615 euros for the same job) so what gives??? I know there are cowboys in every industry but I really need to get this done right as the car stands me a lot of money now. Any help is appreciated.

Gavman84

Kc systems in watergrasshill do that anyway and think they meant to be decent too.

snapple954

Thanks, I will check them out.

sogood

From memory, there is a main VW dealer in Castleisland, near Tralee. I think they're called Ahearns.

Volvoair

it will/may fail the next nct for DPF removal..............

ofcork

sogood wrote: »

From memory, there is a main VW dealer in Castleisland, near Tralee. I think they're called Ahearns.

They are a bmw dealer.

Mr Detail

Volvoair wrote: »

it will/may fail the next nct for DPF removal..............

Why?

vectra

I have a local friend that is excellent at this
Dpf removal and decent remap on your car is I think 350
Dyno to show before and afters.

supervento

snapple954 wrote: »

Hi all, this is my first post here so I'm hoping you guys can help me. After much headaches and frustration I have decided to remove the DPF from my 2008 Volkswagen Passat 2.0tdi 170bhp. The question I have is who is reliable and trustworthy to do this in the Munster area? I have got huge difference in the quotes for a removal and remap (between 300 and 615 euros for the same job) so what gives??? I know there are cowboys in every industry but I really need to get this done right as the car stands me a lot of money now. Any help is appreciated.

you could get it reconditioned.....

http://www.thedpfclinic.com/contact-us/

lomb

Have a 08 Passat also 2l and dpf light went recently along with occasional throttle body fault/limp mode.Looked into it and id start on replacing this and egr first. Replaced throttle body on it and forced regen the old dpf and its grand now. Id be careful with the 170bhp version which has a siemens ecu and is difficult to fully write out the dpf. People drive for 100 miles with no faults then the dash lights up like a xmas tree.
Also if getting the dpf removed make sure they cut open the can and reweld it rather than a bypass pipe as it will fail future ncts if they ever visually check for one like they do in uk now.
Remaps are for the most part a con, the manufacturer knows better than any remapper that's a fact.

lomb

supervento wrote: »

you could get it reconditioned.....

http://www.thedpfclinic.com/contact-us/

its probably not the dpf though just a sign rather than symptom...

YbFocus

lomb wrote: »

Remaps are for the most part a con, the manufacturer knows better than any remapper that's a fact.

How are remaps a con?
If you remove the dpf the ecu must be altered so that it thinks it's fine that there is no dpf.
Otherwise the second it notices it gone it will go nuts!

vectra

lomb wrote: »

Have a 08 Passat also 2l and dpf light went recently along with occasional throttle body fault/limp mode.Looked into it and id start on replacing this and egr first. Replaced throttle body on it and forced regen the old dpf and its grand now. Id be careful with the 170bhp version which has a siemens ecu and is difficult to fully write out the dpf. People drive for 100 miles with no faults then the dash lights up like a xmas tree.
Also if getting the dpf removed make sure they cut open the can and reweld it rather than a bypass pipe as it will fail future ncts if they ever visually check for one like they do in uk now.
Remaps are for the most part a con, the manufacturer knows better than any remapper that's a fact.

.No,
Anyone that knows what they are doing will do it properly.

My guy is a well respected Polish guy and certainly works to a high standard.

Mr Detail

YbFocus wrote: »

How are remaps a con?
If you remove the dpf the ecu must be altered so that it thinks it's fine that there is no dpf.
Otherwise the second it notices it gone it will go nuts!

X2

Remapping any diesel will give you better mpg and more power. Manufacturers have reasons for the maps they load on cars, none of which make much difference in the real world.

Every diesel owner should have a remap, dpf removal or not.

bazz26

If you cannot get it done close to you then I recommend bringing it to Joe Power in Chipped Ireland. He is based close to Dublin but knows this stuff inside out. He can remove and delete the DPF, remap and dyno the car afterwards.

vectra

vectra wrote: »

.No,
Anyone that knows what they are doing will do it properly.

My guy is a well respected Polish guy and certainly works to a high standard.

I suppose I should have added location.

He is in Fermoy.

shabalala

A friedn of mine went to Souhans in meath, i know your in cork but they are regarded as the best for that engine.

My mate has an A4 170 and got the dpf removed, replaced the gap with new pipe and remap.

Car is now much nicer to drive, way smoother and more power.

Mc Love

Was going to this in my last car and was told not to as the NCT were going to be bringing in the same test they had for the UK

Mr Detail

Mc Love wrote: »

Was going to this in my last car and was told not to as the NCT were going to be bringing in the same test they had for the UK

Isn't that just a visual that it is removed in a proper manner? I don't k ow much about these things but I believe there is a popular way to remove them which is incorrect for whatever reason.

dmc17

There's a guy in Limerick that does the remap. Did my brothers 170 Audi after DPF removal and it's running like a clock since. I should be able to get his number if you want it.

sogood

ofcork wrote: »

They are a bmw dealer.

Yes, I got the name wrong. The BMW dealer is on the main Castleisland to Tralee road. The outfit I'm thinking of is on the Farranfore to Castleisland road, on the right hand side, just as you come into town.

vectra

shabalala wrote: »

A friedn of mine went to Souhans in meath, i know your in cork but they are regarded as the best for that engine.

My mate has an A4 170 and got the dpf removed, replaced the gap with new pipe and remap.

Car is now much nicer to drive, way smoother and more power.

They do a dpf delete pipe
Proper way of doing it is oped the dpf and remove the insides, weld it up and put it back.
SouhansDo not have a Dyno as far as I am aware? They had none last time I was there anyway,

Mc Love wrote: »

Was going to this in my last car and was told not to as the NCT were going to be bringing in the same test they had for the UK

Mr Detail wrote: »

Isn't that just a visual that it is removed in a proper manner? I don't k ow much about these things but I believe there is a popular way to remove them which is incorrect for whatever reason.

Not even a visual here yet,
No talks of it either.

dmc17 wrote: »

There's a guy in Limerick that does the remap. Did my brothers 170 Audi after DPF removal and it's running like a clock since. I should be able to get his number if you want it.

Would not hand my car in anywhere that have no Dyno.

snapple954

Thanks for the input guys, the thing is I have had the DPF professionally cleaned and a regeneration by my mechanic brought the values down to zero.

That is the most frustrating and confusing part because after doing that and driving the car for 100km on comes the DPF light and limp mode soon follows.

When I took it into the garage he said it was the turbo, which I had my doubts about. I convinced the mechanic to check other things (sensors etc) and he found it was the exhaust pressure sensor. Sensor replaced, another regeneration and I'm on the road again..........100km later DPF light on and limp mode.
Conclusion by mechanic....DPF finished!!
So my question is how can a DPF that shows clean after a regeneration now all of a sudden be screwed??

And by the way the EGR valve is working but hasn't been taken out to see if it's clean. The car also has had the recall for the injectors.

vectra

^^
Drop that car in to my Guys in Fermoy and I can almost guarantee you will have no further issues with it.

snapple954

Thanks vectra, could you post contact info for your guy in Fermoy? I would like to have a chat with him.

lomb

What about the throttle body.?The amount of crap in the pipe from the sump into the body causes the gears to strip and it stays open slightly allowing a rich mixture afaik and it soots up the dpf. Yours could be slightly knackered so it filling the dpf up over a short time. . Part no was 03L128063B or 03L128063A

As I say its the first thing I would replace. Mine did throw a fault code for it as well as the dpf though sending it into limp, forced regenning it caused the limp to stop but then it started in 20 or 30 miles again.
The bosch ecu on the 140 is just an on or off on the dpf but the siemens ecu on the 170 has the dpf stuff written on many levels and each has to be altered.

I contacted Joe Power for a quote twice on dpf delete remap and he never got back . I did tell him I had no interest in a performance remap so that might explain it!

I actually dont believe in performance remapping as all they do is increase the fuel rail pressure, make the turbo spin up sooner so your dumping your fuel when at cruise speeds on a motorway instead of economy. Also making the car wear out quicker than designed. Most cars are quick enough and my theory is if you want a quicker car then buy one.

You should contact George Dalton on here who could sort it out for you parts and labour and is more familiar with them than most.

askU

http://www.sportchip.ie/dpf.html did mine two years ago. all good since

vectra

snapple954 wrote: »

Thanks vectra, could you post contact info for your guy in Fermoy? I would like to have a chat with him.

Messaged you.
Not sure I can post on here as would look like advertising

fartman

i got it done on my a4 170 and its great.. car runs better and more power

snapple954

lomb wrote:

What about the throttle body.?The amount of crap in the pipe from the sump into the body causes the gears to strip and it stays open slightly allowing a rich mixture afaik and it soots up the dpf. Yours could be slightly knackered so it filling the dpf up over a short time. . Part no was 03L128063B or 03L128063A

That's something I will have to investigate for sure, my mechanic never mentioned that to me but I just have a sneaking suspicion that it may not be the DPF itself at all.
Thanks again for the info, much appreciated.

lomb

http://www.vwaudiforum.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?134644-Throttle-body-actuator-DPF-light


"if throttle or egr are open then you will load the dpf up very quickly "

snapple954

lomb wrote:

"if throttle or egr are open then you will load the dpf up very quickly "

I don't doubt what you are saying but the only doubt I have with my car is that it did not show a fault code for the throttle body or egr. I will get it checked out again though.
Thanks for the info.

FR85

Joe Power does fantastic work, he blanked the swirl flaps, bypassed the EGR, did and DPF Delete and as mentioned left the unit there but gutted, the DPF light still comes on as part of the check when you turn the key so to the NCT guys it looks like it's still there. He gave it a few more BHP too at my request too. Car was smoother and a LOT easier on fuel. He can be hard to get a hold of as he is crazy busy all the time!!!! Top bloke and great to deal with!!

lomb

How much did he charge fo that?

hof1982

vectra wrote: »

Messaged you.
Not sure I can post on here as would look like advertising

Hey Vectra,

Can you also PM me the contact for the guy in Fermoy? I'm not far from there and having similar issues with my Accord. I have had it with main dealer and they can't figure what the cause is having verified the operation of the EGR and said they checked the DPF although I have my doubts about that. Having said that I would be reluctant to remove the DPF altogether given the likelihood of it being incorporated into the NCT.

The first thing I need is a proper diagnostic assessment, is you guy good on that?

vectra

hof1982 wrote: »

Hey Vectra,

Can you also PM me the contact for the guy in Fermoy? I'm not far from there and having similar issues with my Accord. I have had it with main dealer and they can't figure what the cause is having verified the operation of the EGR and said they checked the DPF although I have my doubts about that. Having said that I would be reluctant to remove the DPF altogether given the likelihood of it being incorporated into the NCT.

The first thing I need is a proper diagnostic assessment, is you guy good on that?

Yes,
These guys are top step lads.

I may as well put their details here for anyone interested in contacting them

Messaged you as well.

http://fermoygarage.com/

FR85

lomb wrote: »

How much did he charge fo that?

€600 all in.

Chimaera

lomb wrote: »

I actually dont believe in performance remapping as all they do is increase the fuel rail pressure, make the turbo spin up sooner so your dumping your fuel when at cruise speeds on a motorway instead of economy. Also making the car wear out quicker than designed. Most cars are quick enough and my theory is if you want a quicker car then buy one.

It's a lot more involved than that if it's being done properly. Any clown can turn up those parameters (a lot of the tuning boxes that turn up on eBay more or less do that by fooling the sensors). A good remapper will go into the maps and move parameters around for different parts of the rev range to suit the customer's needs, and to make sure he doesn't exceed the safe operating limits of the engine.

When I got my car remapped, peak power only went up 11 bhp (without putting on a bigger turbo and fuel pump that was the best I was going to get) but the power band was hugely widened and cruising economy improved also.

snapple954

vectra wrote: »

Yes,
These guys are top step lads.

I may as well put their details here for anyone interested in contacting them

Messaged you

Just to let you know Vectra, i spoke with Lukas at Fermoy Garage and he knows his stuff for sure. I told him my story with the car and that i wanted the DPF out. He said it would take about 5 to 6 hours and he quoted me a very reasonable price, so i will try to get up to him between Christmas and New Year. I will put up a post when i get sorted out just to let everyone know how it goes.

vectra

snapple954 wrote: »

Just to let you know Vectra, i spoke with Lukas at Fermoy Garage and he knows his stuff for sure. I told him my story with the car and that i wanted the DPF out. He said it would take about 5 to 6 hours and he quoted me a very reasonable price, so i will try to get up to him between Christmas and New Year. I will put up a post when i get sorted out just to let everyone know how it goes.

He certainly does.
It may or may not be Lukas that does it. If not it would most likely be Jarek if you are getting it mapped.

Both are well keyed into this.

Let us know how it goes for you.
Did you mention me?

snapple954

vectra wrote: »

He certainly does.
It may or may not be Lukas that does it. If not it would most likely be Jarek if you are getting it mapped.

Both are well keyed into this.

Let us know how it goes for you.
Did you mention me?

Just a quick post to let you guys know that i got my DPF removed by Fermoy garage yesterday, and judging by the drive home it was the right move for sure!
I did not get a performance remap as i did not want it but the car feels even more powerful
now anyway. Lukas did the work on the car and he said it would probably have a bit more
BHP due to the DPF removal.

Well so far so good anyway, no more lights on the dash and no more limp mode!
But after dealing with different mechanics for so long and not going for more than 100km
without limp mode kicking in, i am still a bit paranoid. But im sure that will fade after a while.
Lukas was very informative and was very reasonably priced for the work, so overall i would recommend them. Thanks Vectra for pointing me in their direction (and yes i did mention your name)

I will post again in a couple of months just to let everyone know how the car is performing
and just to help anyone out who might be thinking of getting this job done.

Thanks again to everyone who posted on this topic

vectra

snapple954 wrote: »

Just a quick post to let you guys know that i got my DPF removed by Fermoy garage yesterday, and judging by the drive home it was the right move for sure!
I did not get a performance remap as i did not want it but the car feels even more powerful
now anyway. Lukas did the work on the car and he said it would probably have a bit more
BHP due to the DPF removal.

Well so far so good anyway, no more lights on the dash and no more limp mode!
But after dealing with different mechanics for so long and not going for more than 100km
without limp mode kicking in, i am still a bit paranoid. But im sure that will fade after a while.
Lukas was very informative and was very reasonably priced for the work, so overall i would recommend them. Thanks Vectra for pointing me in their direction (and yes i did mention your name)

I will post again in a couple of months just to let everyone know how the car is performing
and just to help anyone out who might be thinking of getting this job done.

Thanks again to everyone who posted on this topic

Excellent.
I am glad you got sorted in the end.
As I previously stated, I can't imagine anything being beyond their abilities. Very intelligent people in the garage.

As far as I am aware the car should feel more powerful as the dpf would starve it of some bhp.
It should possibly be more fuel efficiant now as well.
Looking forward to future reports.

Mc Love

Would a performance remap have improved horsepower? I really dont know why manufacturers limit the potential of cars they sell to market?

Special Circumstances

Mc Love wrote: »

Would a performance remap have improved horsepower? I really dont know why manufacturers limit the potential of cars they sell to market?

Emissions or to get people to fork out more for higher versions.

FR85

When I got the DPF removed I too was told the car would be up in BHP so if you didn't feel you needed the performance map then you did the right thing!! Happy safe motoring!!!

bazz26

Mc Love wrote: »

Would a performance remap have improved horsepower? I really dont know why manufacturers limit the potential of cars they sell to market?

It's not just bhp that's increased, torque is increased also giving more pull in the gear range. I had my last two cars remapped and the difference is noticeable, never had an issue with the cars either. The most important thing is to make sure the mapper is reputable and knows their stuff as opposed to a guy with a laptop fiddling with the parameters of a generic map.

vectra

^^
Yes,
I saw a car Lukasz and Jarek worked on recently.

DPF delete
EGR delete
Remap

bhp went from 153 to 199.6

Torque went from 231.8 to 291.9

Mc Love

jesus thats impressive!

Does he put the DPF back in then without the filter? And if some other garage plugged in the diagnostics kit would it fup the new program up? Would love a bit more power in the mondeo I have.

vectra

Mc Love wrote: »

jesus thats impressive!

Does he put the DPF back in then without the filter? And if some other garage plugged in the diagnostics kit would it fup the new program up? Would love a bit more power in the mondeo I have.

I forgot to add that I spoke to the guy that owns the car recently and he said on a run it added 8~10mpg on a run and is much improved about town.
He is loving the extra grunt as well .


The take down the dpf
Cut the top of it and remove the guts.
Weld it back up and refit it so it looks as should be.

Unsure of what could happen in other garage but why not just bring it to them for further work?

bazz26

Unless your DPF is actually giving problems then I wouldn't touch it, it's only a matter of time before the NCT start checking/testing them. Also you don't have to remove the DPF to have the car remapped.

Mc Love

For a service, I'd be coming from Limerick Saved this thread so when I get a good cashflow again I can call and see if I can get the work done.