Pick them up.

snipe49

Lad's i don't like to moan but i feel i have to say this. I'm sitting here watching video Threat's and there great. Some good shooting and dogs but in a time where we seem to be loosing out shooting grounds is not on just ejecting empties and leaving them on the ground they can choke stock' so please pick them up and bring them home. Moan over :cool:

hathcock

snipe49 wrote: »

Lad's i don't like to moan but i feel i have to say this. I'm sitting here watching video Threat's and there great. Some good shooting and dogs but in a time where we seem to be loosing out shooting grounds is not on just ejecting empties and leaving them on the ground they can choke stock' so please pick them up and bring them home. Moan over :cool:

I brought this to the attention of the forum a few days ago,I was castigated and called a knocker,littering is unacceptable,but particularly so from those who purport to love the countryside,it costs nothing to put them in your pocket,bring them home and dispose of properly.

snipe49

hathcock wrote: »

I brought this to the attention of the forum a few days ago,I was castigated and called a knocker,littering is unacceptable,but particularly so from those who purport to love the countryside,it costs nothing to put them in your pocket,bring them home and dispose of properly.

Now lads no more of this.Just bring them home .

Traumadoc

While I pick up after me, I just wonder how much stock is choking? Never heard it happening.

cookimonster

Shoot on two permissons, 1 livestock , 1 tillage, where the farmers have told us not to leave empty cartridges around.

A bummer with the semi auto but Needs must!!!!

hathcock

cookimonster wrote: »

Shoot on two permissons, 1 livestock , 1 tillage, where the farmers have told us not to leave empty cartridges around.

A bummer with the semi auto but Needs must!!!!

do you have to be told????

snipe49

Traumadoc wrote: »

While I pick up after me, I just wonder how much stock is choking? Never heard it happening.

Well maybe u hav'nt heard of any stock choking but try this next time your out for a shot call on the farmer and ask if he minds finding empties on his land.

hathcock

cookimonster wrote: »

Shoot on two permissons, 1 livestock , 1 tillage, where the farmers have told us not to leave empty cartridges around.

A bummer with the semi auto but Needs must!!!!

Obviously nobodys going to come on here defending littering,but the implications of the above post are obvious,[unless your'e told its ok]hopefully this is a minority view.No landowner is going to tolerate empty shells thrown around,plastic lasts for thousands of years in the environment,think about that before you discard them.

cookimonster

hathcock wrote: »

do you have to be told????

Excuse me but have I not posted in defence of picking up?
Maybe my post is not clear, but I have used the example of two farmers who made it clear that they want no empties left around.......... I go on to mention that using a semi in this situation is a 'bummer' as in having to find the ejected cartridges.
So let me state for the record ' no I don't have to told' and ' I as a matter of practice try and retrieve as many cartridges as possible'.

Hathcock, please remove or amend your last post as I belive I have clarified my belief and stance on this matter.

deeksofdoom

If its any consolation to any of ye always pick my empties up.:p

hathcock

cookimonster wrote: »

Excuse me but have I not posted in defence of picking up?
Maybe my post is not clear, but I have used the example of two farmers who made it clear that they want no empties left around.......... I go on to mention that using a semi in this situation is a 'bummer' as in having to find the ejected cartridges.
So let me state for the record ' no I don't have to told' and ' I as a matter of practice try and retrieve as many cartridges as possible'.

Hathcock, please remove or amend your last post as I belive I have clarified my belief and stance on this matter.

no amendment necessary, I think you have cleared up your position and I accept your credentials,It pays to be careful in how one terms things when posting as it is easy to be misconstrued.

hathcock

deeksofdoom wrote: »

If its any consolation to any of ye always pick my empties up.:p

I for one am feeling very consoled

EPointer=Birdss

This weekend alone i twice picked up shells that others had left behind.
Not a big deal to pick em up

allan450

hathcock wrote: »

I brought this to the attention of the forum a few days ago,I was castigated and called a knocker,littering is unacceptable,but particularly so from those who purport to love the countryside,it costs nothing to put them in your pocket,bring them home and dispose of properly.

ya you were on about me and you were told why.i was having a bad day with the 20 bore.you were also told look at the rest of the videos and see did it happen.worry about your own permissions on what the farmer wants and dont worry about other lads on their permissons.as a matter of fact a lot of farmers around me ask you to leave your emptys at the gate stop tourist shooters going in.

snipe49

allan450 wrote: »

ya you were on about me and you were told why.i was having a bad day with the 20 bore.you were also told look at the rest of the videos and see did it happen.worry about your own permissions on what the farmer wants and dont worry about other lads on their permissons.as a matter of fact a lot of farmers around me ask you to leave your emptys at the gate stop tourist shooters going in.

What do u mean by leave them at the gate. Pal.

hathcock

allan450 wrote: »

ya you were on about me and you were told why.i was having a bad day with the 20 bore.you were also told look at the rest of the videos and see did it happen.worry about your own permissions on what the farmer wants and dont worry about other lads on their permissons.as a matter of fact a lot of farmers around me ask you to leave your emptys at the gate stop tourist shooters going in.

firstly having a bad day is no excuse for littering,secondly I will condemn it irrespective of where it happens,on my permissions or anywhere else for that matter,you are on a losing battle trying to defend the indefensible.

allan450

ya and you were told they were picked up weren't you.so get over it.

hathcock

allan450 wrote: »

ya and you were told they were picked up weren't you.so get over it.

They wouldn't have had to be picked up had they not been discarded in the first place,please don't embarress yourself any further by pursuing a lost cause,you can't win this one as much as you would like to.

dodderangler

Every thread lately someone is gettin offended and feeling like they're being attacked
Op is simply reminding people to pick up they're empties after shots.
Can we have one thread without someone feeling attacked.?
Just Pick up the empties simple fcukin as end of

Cass

hathcock wrote: »

I brought this to the attention of the forum a few days ago,I was castigated and called a knocker,littering is unacceptable,but particularly so from those who purport to love the countryside,it costs nothing to put them in your pocket,bring them home and dispose of properly.

Perhaps your attitude has a little to do with. Instead of discussing the matter and being civil you come on preaching, dictating and frankly condescending towards others that do not do as you do. In this thread alone:

hathcock wrote: »

do you have to be told????

hathcock wrote: »

no amendment necessary,.

hathcock wrote: »

secondly I will condemn it irrespective of where it happens,on my permissions or anywhere else for that matter,

We've all been guilty of one thing or another due to a moments bad temper, forgetfulness, etc. so enough with the speaking down to people.

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MOD NOTE

There is an air off hostility, short temperedness, and incivility creeping back into the forum. We (the Mods) tried to eradicate this some time ago and to a certain extent were successful, however it seems to be slowly creeping back in with people getting smart answers, nasty answers, uncivil answers, or no answers at all, just abuse/belittlement..

The number one rule of the forum and the site is be civil. If people cannot hold a civil tongue then we'll amend your ability to post. This is not directed at any one poster, it's aimed at EVERYONE. Normally i would have posted something in a notice style, but this thread is as good as any place to start.

Have your say, and speak your mind, but do so with respect to the other posters. Attack the content of a post and not the person posting it. If something is bothering you then report it using this icon, , on the bottom of each post (left side) and the Mods will handle it.

We have said this on numerous occasions. The forum is for you, all of you. How it feels, how it functions, and the attitude of it are all down to you. If things are allowed to return to how they were some 12 or so months ago it'll discourage existing members from taking part and new members joining up.

So do yourselves, the forum and to a degree the sport a favour and treat each pother with some respect and allow for the fact that some will have other opinions you may not approve or agree with and learn to move on.

tikkahunter

What the man does on his permission is really only his business , if the land owner has a problem with it he wont be long about letting him know but it is not for anybody else to comment on it, i have left empty shells and casings behind me before , sometimes you just eject and reload with out thinking while you could be on to more birds , foxes or deer and you just keep moving on as the adrenaline is high, i would say most of the lads on here would be the same, you dont intentionally go out to litter but sometimes "**** just happens".

hathcock

Cass wrote: »

Perhaps your attitude has a little to do with. Instead of discussing the matter and being civil you come on preaching, dictating and frankly condescending towards others that do not do as you do. In this thread alone:



We've all been guilty of one thing or another due to a moments bad temper, forgetfulness, etc. so enough with the speaking down to people.

=================================================================================================


MOD NOTE

There is an air off hostility, short temperedness, and incivility creeping back into the forum. We (the Mods) tried to eradicate this some time ago and to a certain extent were successful, however it seems to be slowly creeping back in with people getting smart answers, nasty answers, uncivil answers, or no answers at all, just abuse/belittlement..

The number one rule of the forum and the site is be civil. If people cannot hold a civil tongue then we'll amend your ability to post. This is not directed at any one poster, it's aimed at EVERYONE. Normally i would have posted something in a notice style, but this thread is as good as any place to start.

Have your say, and speak your mind, but do so with respect to the other posters. Attack the content of a post and not the person posting it. If something is bothering you then report it using this icon, , on the bottom of each post (left side) and the Mods will handle it.

We have said this on numerous occasions. The forum is for you, all of you. How it feels, how it functions, and the attitude of it are all down to you. If things are allowed to return to how they were some 12 or so months ago it'll discourage existing members from taking part and new members joining up.

So do yourselves, the forum and to a degree the sport a favour and treat each pother with some respect and allow for the fact that some will have other opinions you may not approve or agree with and learn to move on.

I have been civil and polite in all my posts,I have neither been hostile,short tempered,or incivil to anyone,neither have I given any smart answers,if pointing out that littering is wrong offends anyone I apologise,the way I term things is not meant to condescend,it's simply how I speak.

Eddie B

I think all this nit picking is gonna deter lads from putting up video's! I'm not condoning the act, but feel we all do it now and again, not on purpose but we sometimes forget ourselves in the moment of excitement, frustration, or whatever!

One thing I do know, I'd rather come on here and see some good photo's or video's of what lads managed to bag over the weekend, than lads preaching, or belittling others!

Fair enough, no harm pointing it out, but that could have been sent in a PM for a heads up for future video's etc, not to single people out, or make an example of them!

To all those who take the time to upload video's and share them with us, THANK YOU! Please keep them coming!;)

Cass

tikkahunter wrote: »

i would say most of the lads on here would be the same, you dont intentionally go out to litter but sometimes "**** just happens".

Correct. I've done it myself at some point. I could not say when or how often, but when on good shooting the last thing on my mind is litter. If i think of it i'll pick up my spent brass, and if decoying it's easy cause i'm in the one spot. However i don't do it all the time, but i never leave anything "sitting out".

hathcock wrote: »

I have been civil and polite in all my posts,I have neither been hostile,short tempered,or incivil to anyone,neither have I given any smart answers,if pointing out that littering is wrong offends anyone I apologise,the way I term things is not meant to condescend,it's simply how I speak.

The Mod Note is not directed at you/just you. This is not the only thread where these issues have cropped up. For a while the forum was running smoothly and lads were joining and participating regularly. Now i see a drop in posts from regulars and some new members spend more time reading than posting which i know is from a "fear" of being belittled, abused, mocked or simply made to feel like they cannot take part without ridicule.

The written word looses context. It's a simple fact and is so common it's covered under the rules of the site. It's why we ask people to make sure they explain their point of view in as much detail as possible to avoid such confusion. When i write things i sometimes have a tone in my head, but upon reading back i can see how it could seem as though i'm being short. So spend a little extra time and make your point clearly and concisely.

Again this is too all members.


The forum exists because of your participation. The content is only as good as what ye lads make it. If lads feel like they will be singled out for ridicule after each post they'll simply stop posting and the forum dies. Every forum, of every site is the same.

allan450

im glad you sent that their i was going through the hassle since i came in of downloading a movie maker their that epointer told me about.Then its the 2nd time nit picking started about shells.I was thinking why even bother.I post the videos for lads that dont have woodcock shooting like we do and its nice to see other lads post them around the country to see their dogs working ect ect.An other lad got grief for wearing a tracksuit.i dont know if its a bit of jealousy or what but hope it stops.

snipe49

Cass wrote: »

Correct. I've done it myself at some point. I could not say when or how often, but when on good shooting the last thing on my mind is litter. If i think of it i'll pick up my spent brass, and if decoying it's easy cause i'm in the one spot. However i don't do it all the time, but i never leave anything "sitting out".

The Mod Note is not directed at you/just you. This is not the only thread where these issues have cropped up. For a while the forum was running smoothly and lads were joining and participating regularly. Now i see a drop in posts from regulars and some new members spend more time reading than posting which i know is from a "fear" of being belittled, abused, mocked or simply made to feel like they cannot take part without ridicule.

The written word looses context. It's a simple fact and is so common it's covered under the rules of the site. It's why we ask people to make sure they explain their point of view in as much detail as possible to avoid such confusion. When i write things i sometimes have a tone in my head, but upon reading back i can see how it could seem as though i'm being short. So spend a little extra time and make your point clearly and concisely.

Again this is too all members.


The forum exists because of your participation. The content is only as good as what ye lads make it. If lads feel like they will be singled out for ridicule after each post they'll simply stop posting and the forum dies. Every forum, of every site is the same.

I went through this very thing a few Threats back. I was even call a clown by a lad. but i'm tough. ) But on what seems to be happening is some lads seem to just want to pic holes in others. I started this Threat just to ask lads to bring there emptys home i love the videos next best thing to been out keep them coming lads.

Cass

There is a fine line between taking the piss and being nasty/uncivil.

We all have thick skin so there is nothing wrong with a little messing and piss taking. If it was all serious the forum would be a drip and frankly i wouldn't want to be part of it. However we need to know when it's appropriate and secondly when some issues need a gentle push rather than a throw it in your face approach.

There is no harm bringing up some issues, and other issues will always provoke a reaction no matter how well intended the poster's meaning. The tracksuit thread was a bit of a mess. It went from a simple-ish topic to some serious attitudes. However the one thing you all need to remember, as i have to remind myself at times, is it's only the internet. IOW it can be turned off and while it's annoying sometimes the best thing to do is ignore a topic/thread and move onto something else. The problems always arrive when someone thinks they can change the minds of everyone else. It won't happen and you'll end up with a heart attack for your troubles.

Reminds me of this:




Get yer point across, argue your corner and more importantly know when to walk away from something as you can carry the annoyance/anger from one thread to another and end up being nasty without meaning to.

tikkahunter

snipe49 wrote: »

I went through this very thing a few Threats back. I was even call a clown by a lad. but i'm tough. ) But on what seems to be happening is some lads seem to just want to pic holes in others. I started this Threat just to ask lads to bring there emptys home i love the videos next best thing to been out keep them coming lads.

Yeah i called you a clown because i was just giving a lad a personal story and offering some advice which i felt would stand to him noting more than that and you accused me of putting him down which was never the case, you jumped straight in looking for a bite and fair play to you i fell for it and retaliated ,you where trolling then like you are now and when someone calls you out you play the old solder not meaning to cause any trouble..
Il own up i abuse people on here and i have done before when i was a member on here and it probably drives mods off their heads but i do it in temper as i have a short fuse, but there are plenty on here like you who just come on to troll and i think that is even worse than what i do

p.s i would rather just forget about it now as its done and dusted as far as im concerned

snipe49

tikkahunter wrote: »

Yeah i called you a clown because i was just giving a lad a personal story and offering some advice which i felt would stand to him noting more than that and you accused me of putting him down which was never the case, you jumped straight in looking for a bite and fair play to you i fell for it and retaliated ,you where trolling then like you are now and when someone calls you out you play the old solder not meaning to cause any trouble..
Il own up i abuse people on here and i have done before when i was a member on here and it probably drives mods off their heads but i do it in temper as i have a short fuse, but there are plenty on here like you who just come on to troll and i think that is even worse than what i do

p.s i would rather just forget about it now as its done and dusted as far as im concerned

Sorry love what do u mean by troll.:p

Remember me?

snipe49 wrote: »

Sorry love what do u mean by troll.:p

I'd like to see some lads putting up videos especially the lads who are always nit picking .must not be an easy thing to put yourself on display and I for one enjoy watching those videos and you know what...alot of the time there is a lot of blunders made in the video may it be an empty left behind,bad language,poor shooting(which mine would be ! )but just take the video for what it is and enjoy if not don't watch them in future. Making a ****ing thread over not picking up shells jasus what is this forum coming to?

EPointer=Birdss

I think the basic intention of spirit of this thread is sound.

No one has come on & said the drop shells regularly or think its the norm & if they do then that's their own business. If they do it as a matter of course then no one is going to convince them it is wrong. I know of an old boy who has been doing so for over 40 years. Try to get him to change & he is a farmer of sheep & cattle on land we shoot most days! If I am out & about I will pick up any I see to avoid conflict or arguement & I just don't like to see them personally.

The flip side is - If we were all high & mighty & worried about livestock or mother nature we wouldn't be using plastic wads as well. I don't - I use what works well in the gun for me or I can get my hands on when I need em. Have been trying Eley Grand Prixs fibre wads & they seem good but I can't get them locally so I use what I can get...

idnkph

Surely there is room in some of the lads handbags here for a few empty cartridges and spent brass..... Just take out your feminine hygiene products before ye head for the fields lads that way you will have plenty of room for your empties....😋

EPointer=Birdss

idnkph wrote: »

Surely there is room in some of the lads handbags here for a few empty cartridges and spent brass..... Just take out your feminine hygiene products before ye head for the fields lads that way you will have plenty of room for your empties....😋

Best post on here in awhile

tomtucker81

http://i.imgur.com/0aNUcmo.jpg


Pick everything up....

hathcock

Remember me? wrote: »

I'd like to see some lads putting up videos especially the lads who are always nit picking .must not be an easy thing to put yourself on display and I for one enjoy watching those videos and you know what...alot of the time there is a lot of blunders made in the video may it be an empty left behind,bad language,poor shooting(which mine would be ! )but just take the video for what it is and enjoy if not don't watch them in future. Making a ****ing thread over not picking up shells jasus what is this forum coming to?

Saying that criticising littering is nit picking is quite simply wrong, it's a very serious matter in my view,and not to be ignored. Is one supposed to ignore this sort of thing in case someone might be offended? It's ethically, morally, and legally wrong to litter,there is no defending it, tacitly or otherwise.As for your dismissive attitude re this thread,the points made are valid,if you don't agree with what I said, that's fine, however the thread is as worthy of inclusion on this forum as any other.

Stonehall9

allan450 wrote: »

im glad you sent that their i was going through the hassle since i came in of downloading a movie maker their that epointer told me about.Then its the 2nd time nit picking started about shells.I was thinking why even bother.I post the videos for lads that dont have woodcock shooting like we do and its nice to see other lads post them around the country to see their dogs working ect ect.An other lad got grief for wearing a tracksuit.i dont know if its a bit of jealousy or what but hope it stops.

Hear hear

ESB Spaniel

Hathcock at it again :D:D:D:D

hathcock

ESB Spaniel wrote: »

Hathcock at it again :D:D:D:D

can you elaborate on what you mean please