Irelands toughest estates?

masti123

A report was released online today naming Irelands's toughest estates...

The top 4 toughest areas in the report are all areas of Dublin with Neilstown in Clondalkin coming in at number 1, followed by Dublin 1 (the North inner City), followed by West Tallaght and then Sheepmor in Blanchardstown... Despite there also being decent hardworking families struggling to live and bring up families in these areas these places still are ranked as the toughest areas in the country...

This report was apparently from the Sunday World. I'm from clondalkin myself and Neilstown is a kip but it's nowhere there as bad as it was 10 years ago. I personally think this report is disgraceful, brings the area's down and gives it a bad name.

What do you make of this 'report'? Agree or disagree?

Iranoutofideas

How the fcuk did they calculate that? Load of ****e.

The_Valeyard

Is it a competition now?

Sheep Lover

Ah the Sunday World, that explains that one.

smileyj1987

I'm from the north inner city , it makes me sad we only came second !!

Badly Drunk Boy

masti123 wrote: »

What do you make of this 'report'? Agree or disagree?

I haven't seen the 'report'. Do you have a link?

Few rough spots in Limerick and Cork too

PutDownArtist

smileyj1987 wrote: »

I'm from the north inner city , it makes me sad we only came second !!

Which north inner city? The one in town?

masti123

Badly Drunk Boy wrote: »

I haven't seen the 'report'. Do you have a link?

I've seen this on a popular Dublin Radio Talkshow's Facebook last night. They commented saying it was from the Sunday World but i have yet to find the article. If anyone finds it please link

smileyj1987

PutDownArtist wrote: »

Which north inner city? The one in town?

Yeah I'm from town .

salmocab

Seriously good journalism pick one estate in clondalkin, one in Blanchardstown, half of tallaght and half the inner-city, its 2 north side and 2 south just to keep people happy. Absoloute gutter press.

PutDownArtist

salmocab wrote: »

Seriously good journalism pick one estate in clondalkin, one in Blanchardstown, half of tallaght and half the inner-city, its 2 north side and 2 south just to keep people happy. Absoloute gutter press.

Not really, all non Dubs think the entire place is a kip; it's only you Dubs who quarrel over which 'side' is worse.

braddun

limerick


Moyross has been strongly associated in the media with anti-social behaviour and crime. Delmege Park is considered one of the worst affected areas of Moyross

O'Malley Park(Southill)



St Mary's Park The Island Field


The two city centre parks are not safe at night. Arthur's Quay Park and the People's Park

keithclancy

masti123 wrote: »

A report was released online today naming Irelands's toughest estates...

The top 4 toughest areas in the report are all areas of Dublin with Neilstown in Clondalkin coming in at number 1, followed by Dublin 1 (the North inner City), followed by West Tallaght and then Sheepmor in Blanchardstown... Despite there also being decent hardworking families struggling to live and bring up families in these areas these places still are ranked as the toughest areas in the country...

This report was apparently from the Sunday World. I'm from clondalkin myself and Neilstown is a kip but it's nowhere there as bad as it was 10 years ago. I personally think this report is disgraceful, brings the area's down and gives it a bad name.

What do you make of this 'report'? Agree or disagree?

It was a bit stupid of the Sunday World to attack their number one reader base.

Source: I looked out the window at a tree and took a survey after asking many dogs.

Mr_Muffin

Ireland does not have any really bad or 'rough' estates, everywhere is pretty safe.

salmocab

PutDownArtist wrote: »

Not really, all non Dubs think the entire place is a kip; it's only you Dubs who quarrel over which 'side' is worse.

Well considering everyone thinks its a kip it seems to be full of non dubs who moved in because the paradises they come from can't generate enough jobs to keep them in the the lifestyle they are accustomed to.

keithclancy

rarnes1 wrote: »

Few rough spots in Limerick and Cork too

Knocka always got a bad name

http://corkindependent.com/20110901/news/knocknaheeny-to-address-issues-in-ibal-survey-S4210.html

No idea why it was so bad, just was generally manky with burnt out cars, horses running around the place and rubbish everywhere.

Tail Docker

I was in Sheepmoor today. I survived, but it was a close thing...i.e it's grand and the survey is shyte..

eviltwin

I know Sheepmore, work in the area. Don't know what they are on about.

Talib Fiasco

Moyross has improved drastically in recent years. Doesn't warrant a mention anymore

RobYourBuilder

Badly Drunk Boy wrote: »

I haven't seen the 'report'. Do you have a link?

THEY are home to decent, hardworking families who are struggling to live and bring up kids.

But some of Ireland’s most troubled estates are also under siege from the twin parasites of anti-social behaviour and organised crime.

The economic boom saw criminals grow rich with cash from drug dealing, piling on the misery for the people who wanted nothing to do with them.
The recession and the lack of cash saw the tables turned on drug gangs as volunteers, community groups and local authority projects were able to make in-roads.
Yet the problems caused by anti-social behaviour, drug mobs and money lenders have left decent neighbourhoods locked in a battle to shake reputations and crime statistics they don’t deserve.
 

Neilstown, Dublin
This west Dublin suburb is home to thousands of honest citizens, but is also the stomping ground of a hard core of the city’s serious criminals. 
At times, open drug dealing has made trips to the shops an ordeal for some people, while for years burnt-out cars were a regular feature of the landscape. One woman previously told the Sunday World how she became the target of thugs who left a burning wheelie bin at her front door.
 

Dublin 1
The Sunday World recently revealed how drug addicts flocked to an inner-city flat to buy a version of crystal meth-style drug. The drug-induced erratic behaviour is witnessed by residents and workers in the area. The area has Ireland’s most concentrated and obvious problem, with street addicts involved in drug-dealing, petty crime and violent altercations.
 

West Tallaght, Dublin
Home to some of the Ireland’s most prolific criminals, such as the ‘Subaru Gang’, the people living on the estates of west Tallaght have had to endure more than their fair share of anti-social behaviour. The presence of community groups and sports clubs has gone some way to cancelling the evil influence of the drug-dealing gangs.
 

Sheepmoor, Dublin
In the western part of Dublin, Sheepmoor has witnessed a litany of gang-related crimes including a number of murders. Drugs dealers and users have blighted the lives of people trying to get on with their daily business. It is part of the territory once ruled by the infamous Westies gang, whose ultra-violence eventually cost several lives, including those of its leaders Shane Cotes and Stephen Sugg.
 

Fairview Crescent, Limerick
The most expensive public housing scheme ever to be built in Limerick has been dubbed the “estate from hell” after being taken over by rampaging, gun-wielding teens.
In just five years, 20 law-abiding families have been forced to abandon their homes in the estate after being targeted by “wild” teenage gangs. 
 

South Hill, Limerick

For years, the sprawling estate of O’Malley Park had become a byword for criminality. The ordinary people living there often had to run the gauntlet of gang-connected thugs involved in drug dealing and violent attacks.

People such as McCarthy-Dundon lieutenant Paul Crawford were barred from the estate in a bid to stop anti-social yobs from entering the area.
Community groups and volunteers have made huge in-roads in turning things around.

Moyross, Limerick
This collection of smaller estates has seen more than its fair share of violence. Pineview Gardens was where ‘Fat’ Frankie Ryan was shot and kids Millie and Gavin Murray suffered horrendous burns in a firebomb attack. There are active community groups working to help youngsters find an alternative way of life away from criminality and anti-social behaviour.
 

Ballincurra, Limerick

The violent Dundon brothers – Wayne, John, Ger and Dessie – did their best to turn this part of central Limerick into a no-go area. 
In some cases, residents who refused to sell up property to them for less than the market value were the target of devastating arson attacks. 
ballybeg, waterford
Drug gangs, feuding traveller clans and violent money lenders have given Ballybeg a reputation that the majority of residents don’t deserve.            
The Sunday World recently revealed how gang violence has been specifically targeted at people working to improve the lives of people in the area.

Muirhevnamor, Dundalk
Gun and arson attacks this summer have highlighted how serious criminals have established a presence in this huge estate in Dundalk. 
One gun attack this summer was a reckless and dangerous attack which could easily have cost the life of an innocent bystander. Criminals with paramilitary connections have allowed serious crime to become embedded in the region.

http://www.sundayworld.com/top-stories/crime-desk/estate-of-fear

suicide_circus

Is this a tv3 special with henry mckean?

Sunnyisland

The toughest estate I ever was in was a ford escort one ...

Frogeye

Mr_Muffin wrote: »

Ireland does not have any really bad or 'rough' estates, everywhere is pretty safe.

possibly the most naive post I have ever seen on boards....

PizzamanIRL

Iranoutofideas wrote: »

How the fcuk did they calculate that? Load of ****e.

Stakeouts. "Oh look he has a tracksuit on him. 1 point. There's an empty can of Dutch Gold on the ground. 2 points. There's a group of teenagers with hoodies. 2 points."

Tail Docker

realies wrote: »

The toughest estate I ever was in was a ford escort one ...

Volvo, surely?

UCDVet

Mr_Muffin wrote: »

Ireland does not have any really bad or 'rough' estates, everywhere is pretty safe.

I remember, before I moved to Dublin, being worried about the high crime. I had read that Dublin was the murder capital of Europe (or gun murder capital). Anyway, my wife and I were on the fence about moving here because of it.

Then I looked up the per-capita murder rate:
Dublin was like 2 per 100,000.
My home town was 19 per 100,000.

I felt pretty silly after that. Sure, there are parts of town I'd probably want to avoid at certain hours or whatever; but overall, I consider Ireland to be very safe.

Maybe I just have low standards because of my childhood though.

boobar

Lyrath Estate in Kilkenny....

Got robbed there once

demanufactured

Toughest??
Or scummiest???

biko

I've been in Moyross once, it was pretty bad.

ardle1

Who the fcuk wants to read that?!
Certainly not the decent hard working people(of whom there are many)who come from those areas.

JupiterKid

Ballybeg in Waterford and Cranmore in Sligo have rather bad reputations.

18MonthsaSlave

eviltwin wrote: »

I know Sheepmore, work in the area. Don't know what they are on about.

Sheepmoor
I lived in close vicinity for eight and a half years. The things I've seen!

Still, I'd have considered Ladyswell to be rougher. My one consolation all through the time is was there was "could be worse, at least it is not Ladyswell".

Waitsian

Muirhevnamor, Dundalk

Gun and arson attacks this summer have highlighted how serious criminals have established a presence in this huge estate in Dundalk.

One gun attack this summer was a reckless and dangerous attack which could easily have cost the life of an innocent bystander. Criminals with paramilitary connections have allowed serious crime to become embedded in the region.

What a load of rubbish. I know people who live there, quite happily, and I walk through it all the time, day and night. The last sentence in particular is utter nonsense.

El Weirdo

Anyone who reads the Sunday World is a fucking moron.

Fact.

Nodin

El Weirdo wrote: »

Anyone who reads the Sunday World is a fucking moron.

Fact.

What if ye only get it for the pictures?

YFlyer

braddun wrote: »

limerick


Moyross has been strongly associated in the media with anti-social behaviour and crime. Delmege Park is considered one of the worst affected areas of Moyross

O'Malley Park(Southill)



St Mary's Park The Island Field


The two city centre parks are not safe at night. Arthur's Quay Park and the People's Park

O Malley Park has nearly two thirds of the houses knocked down. Not so dangerous now.

whupdedo

El Weirdo wrote: »

Anyone who reads the Sunday World is a fucking moron.

Fact.

I buy the Sunday world for the simple reason I have a new puppy I'm house training, I wouldn't dream of reading it but I do use it to put down on any piss to soak it up, I find it lasts longer than the mail or the people, mainly because their so much sihte journalism in it

Little CuChulainn

masti123 wrote: »

A report was released online today naming Irelands's toughest estates...

The top 4 toughest areas in the report are all areas of Dublin with Neilstown in Clondalkin coming in at number 1, followed by Dublin 1 (the North inner City), followed by West Tallaght and then Sheepmor in Blanchardstown... Despite there also being decent hardworking families struggling to live and bring up families in these areas these places still are ranked as the toughest areas in the country...

This report was apparently from the Sunday World. I'm from clondalkin myself and Neilstown is a kip but it's nowhere there as bad as it was 10 years ago. I personally think this report is disgraceful, brings the area's down and gives it a bad name.

What do you make of this 'report'? Agree or disagree?

Neilstown has nothing on the Cherry Orchard area. A few of the finer examples from this year.

http://www.thejournal.ie/gardai-cherry-orchard-1802987-Nov2014/

http://www.thejournal.ie/child-shot-dublin-1516922-Jun2014/

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/man-26-stabbed-to-death-in-savage-attack-at-dublin-rave-in-empty-industrial-unit-30749681.html

El Weirdo

Nodin wrote: »

What if ye only get it for the pictures?

You types are the worst.

Tombi!

Here's what I'd like to know: how did t hey manage to consider all of Dublin 1 an estate.

arybvtcw0eolkf

braddun wrote: »

The two city centre parks are not safe at night. Arthur's Quay Park and the People's Park

Well you'd be foolish to go into any city parks after dark.

That said, Limerick city center is one of the quietest and safest area's at night which I know of.

Limerick gets a lot of very unfair press.

I'm a Dub, and a northsider too :cool:

Silentcorner

braddun wrote: »

limerick


Moyross has been strongly associated in the media with anti-social behaviour and crime. Delmege Park is considered one of the worst affected areas of Moyross

O'Malley Park(Southill)



St Mary's Park The Island Field


The two city centre parks are not safe at night. Arthur's Quay Park and the People's Park

Top to bottom nonsense.

The Peoples Park is closed at night, like most public parks, there is a very popular childrens playground within the park which is packed with families, it is a lovely place to take a stroll or eat lunch...never ever is there a hint of hassle, you may spot a wino grabbing forty winks but as long as you don't try and snatch his buckfast he'll leave you alone.

Arthurs Quay park currently has an ice rink in it, before that there was some kind of Halloween Spookyland thing for kids...it wasn't remotely scary...all year round at all hours of the night there are buses pulling up beside the park it is as safe as any city centre park can be...

Crime has plummeted in the estates you have mentioned...not disappeared but plummeted, don't expect your newspapers to tell you that.

The perception people have of Limerick is way out of kilter with reality...thanks to News articles like the one mentioned.

Irish people are easily manipulated it seems.

eviltwin

18MonthsaSlave wrote: »

Sheepmoor
I lived in close vicinity for eight and a half years. The things I've seen!

Still, I'd have considered Ladyswell to be rougher. My one consolation all through the time is was there was "could be worse, at least it is not Ladyswell".

Since all the green spaces were built on and the council cracked down on anti social behaviour Ladyswell has really improved.

kylith

The_Valeyard wrote: »

Is it a competition now?

I fecking hope not. The last thing that's needed is the scumbags putting in extra effort to be extra scumbaggy to move up the rankings.

Dtp1979

boobar wrote: »

Lyrath Estate in Kilkenny....

Got robbed there once

Thought that'd get at least 10 thanks

RINO87

braddun wrote: »

limerick


Moyross has been strongly associated in the media with anti-social behaviour and crime. Delmege Park is considered one of the worst affected areas of Moyross

O'Malley Park(Southill)



St Mary's Park The Island Field


The two city centre parks are not safe at night. Arthur's Quay Park and the People's Park

What utter rubbish. Not safe at night? The people's park is closed at night and Arthur's quay park has a very busy 24/7 bus stop outside it with, taxis and private cars always queuing up to meet those busses. I have no idea what you are basing your statement on at all.

Turtyturd

No mention of Costa del Darndale.

The times they are a changing.

Henlars67

JupiterKid wrote: »

Ballybeg in Waterford and Cranmore in Sligo have rather bad reputations.

Cranmore's isn't really justified anymore.

Was worse years ago, but a lot have moved out of the estate, gone to jail, or just grown up.

enfant terrible

Silentcorner wrote: »

The perception people have of Limerick is way out of kilter with reality...thanks to News articles like the one mentioned.

Irish people are easily manipulated it seems.

That's true

http://www.limerickpost.ie/2014/09/26/limerick-is-a-safe-haven-for-tourists/

Lurching

Has anyone seen statistics on murder rates (recent) across the cities of Ireland?
I'd wager that the rate in Limerick has dropped drastically in the last 5 or so years.
Not so sure about the other cities.