Why do people still eat dairy?

FluffTheDog

I've just wondering why people do this in this day and age. Lots of people getting into health and starting to think about what they put in their bodies, yet grown adults are still drinking milk that comes from another mammal. Do people really think that it's normal to do so? Or more so, do they think it's healthy? Or worse.. necessary?!

WrigleysExtra

Just asked someone to slap me across the face after reading that. Nothing wrong with dairy at all. A good source of protein and fat.

FluffTheDog

WrigleysExtra wrote: »

Just asked someone to slap me across the face after reading that. Nothing wrong with dairy at all. A good source of protein and fat.

Really? You don't think it's weird to drink breast milk from another animal? Milk that is obviously made for that animals offspring?

Wonda-Boy

Ohh ffs, does this really need its own thread. If the owl' one next door was offering me her breast milk Id take it.

The_Pretender

FluffTheDog wrote: »

Really? You don't think it's weird to drink breast milk from another animal? Milk that is obviously made for that animals offspring?

Well do you agree with eating the rest of the animal so long as we don't drink its milk?

cichlid child

The_Pretender wrote: »

Well do you agree with eating the rest of the animal so long as we don't drink its milk?

Id eat the Aul wan next door as well

FluffTheDog

The_Pretender wrote: »

Well do you agree with eating the rest of the animal so long as we don't drink its milk?

Nope I don't actually.

I think the dairy issue is a no brainer, and I want to see what other people think, not just veggies!

Optimalprimerib

FluffTheDog wrote: »

Nope I don't actually.

I think the dairy issue is a no brainer, and I want to see what other people think, not just veggies!

Dairy has been staple of human consumption since more or less the dawn of man, so it is as wierd as using heat to cook food. You are probably against that as well though.

Ave Sodalis

FluffTheDog wrote: »

Nope I don't actually.

I think the dairy issue is a no brainer, and I want to see what other people think, not just veggies!

Well if non-vegans had a problem with it, wouldn't that make them vegan and therefore not a non-vegan? In which case, non-vegans clearly don't have a problem with it and some vegans do.

Alf Veedersane

I don't experience any adverse effects from dairy and I enjoy it so I don't see a problem.

FluffTheDog

sup_dude wrote: »

Well if non-vegans had a problem with it, wouldn't that make them vegan and therefore not a non-vegan? In which case, non-vegans clearly don't have a problem with it and some vegans do.

They would still probably be eating meat so.. not a vegan? Lots of people avoid dairy and still eat meat.

blindside88

Because it's delicious!!!

Same goes for eggs

papu

Yup , cheese , milk , butter , whey ... all delicious , dairy is fantastic in my opinion. Can't wait for the ban on raw milk to be lifted .nomnomnom

FluffTheDog

papu wrote: »

Yup , cheese , milk , butter , whey ... all delicious , dairy is fantastic in my opinion. Can't wait for the ban on raw milk to be lifted .nomnomnom

Why is it fantastic though? Apart from the fact that you like the taste?

papu

FluffTheDog wrote: »

Why is it fantastic though? Apart from the fact that you like the taste?

That and good , relatively cheap macros .

blindside88

FluffTheDog wrote: »

Why is it fantastic though? Apart from the fact that you like the taste?

That's surely one of the biggest reasons why people eat what they eat (because they like the taste). Can I ask do you bed to take supplements as part of your vegan diet or do you get all of
Your necessary iron, protein etc from the diet? Just something I've always been curious about

braddun

we have to support are local farmers

Defender OF Faith

dairy protein sources are far more complete then any plant source in the planet in term of its amino acid profile dairy food sources will remain and continue to remain a stable food source for humanity whether you like it or not

FluffTheDog

blindside88 wrote: »

That's surely one of the biggest reasons why people eat what they eat (because they like the taste). Can I ask do you bed to take supplements as part of your vegan diet or do you get all of
Your necessary iron, protein etc from the diet? Just something I've always been curious about

Well a lot of people try to be as healthy as they can instead of just eating what they want.

No I don't take supplements. I was anaemic most of my life (female), and my recent blood test showed iron level of 11.6 after only 4 months on a vegan diet. I think it needs to be a little higher, but that's the highest it's ever been!! Everything else was good too. Protein is a non-issue really. The world health organisation says 5% of calories from protein is enough. So unless you're undereating, there's no way you wouldn't get enough.

Anyway I don't want to turn this thread into vegan vs non-vegan, but thanks for asking

worded

If prefer not to have all the anti biotics given to the animals as well, but don't have a choice.

Also, I seem to have become a bit lactose intolerant of late and need to have low fat milk in my coffee or else ......

My body is not at one with dairy anymore

groovyg

Should this thread not be in After Hours? Seriously what's wrong with dairy? Far better than coca cola, and junk food.

Alf Veedersane

FluffTheDog wrote: »

Why is it fantastic though? Apart from the fact that you like the taste?

The cheese binds together a toasted sandwich perfectly.

papu

FluffTheDog wrote: »

Well a lot of people try to be as healthy as they can instead of just eating what they want.

No I don't take supplements. I was anaemic most of my life (female), and my recent blood test showed iron level of 11.6 after only 4 months on a vegan diet. I think it needs to be a little higher, but that's the highest it's ever been!! Everything else was good too. Protein is a non-issue really. The world health organisation says 5% of calories from protein is enough. So unless you're undereating, there's no way you wouldn't get enough.

Anyway I don't want to turn this thread into vegan vs non-vegan, but thanks for asking

5% cals from protein? That's laughable ...where's the rest meant to come from? CARBS? The WHO obviously hate gains .. If you're healthy and active and want to have some decent muscle you want something closer to 40% kcals from protein sources

FluffTheDog

Defender OF Faith wrote: »

dairy protein sources are far more complete then any plant source in the planet in term of its amino acid profile dairy food sources will remain and continue to remain a stable food source for humanity whether you like it or not

If it's so great, how do you think people who avoid it stay healthy?

No need for your last few words, I'm simply intrigued by what people think of dairy's role in their diet.

FluffTheDog

papu wrote: »

5% cals from protein? That's laughable ...where's the rest meant to come from? CARBS? The WHO obviously hate gains .. If you're healthy and active and want to have some decent muscle you want something closer to 40% kcals from protein sources

Yes a lot of people do perfectly well on low protein.
And most Asian countries base their diet around CARBS.

Alf Veedersane

FluffTheDog wrote: »

If it's so great, how do you think people who avoid it stay healthy?

Because you don't have to eat every healthy food to stay healthy.

blindside88

FluffTheDog wrote: »

Well a lot of people try to be as healthy as they can instead of just eating what they want.

No I don't take supplements. I was anaemic most of my life (female), and my recent blood test showed iron level of 11.6 after only 4 months on a vegan diet. I think it needs to be a little higher, but that's the highest it's ever been!! Everything else was good too. Protein is a non-issue really. The world health organisation says 5% of calories from protein is enough. So unless you're undereating, there's no way you wouldn't get enough.

Anyway I don't want to turn this thread into vegan vs non-vegan, but thanks for asking

Thanks for the answer. Don't want to drag the thread off topic was just interested

FluffTheDog

worded wrote: »

If prefer not to have all the anti biotics given to the animals as well, but don't have a choice.

Also, I seem to have become a bit lactose intolerant of late and need to have low fat milk in my coffee or else ......

My body is not at one with dairy anymore

Yes a lot of people have problems with dairy. You don't have a choice?

mickman

FluffTheDog wrote: »

If it's so great, how do you think people who avoid it stay healthy?

No need for your last few words, I'm simply intrigued by what people think of dairy's role in their diet.

You seem to think that dairy is bad for us?

How would you possibly know that ?

I eat loads of dairy as I have no bad reaction to it and I love it. I gave it up for a while and felt terruble and weak

With regard to your other comment about a mammal drinking another's milk not being normal ? Again who says ?

All animals will drink another mammals milk if they are orphaned , this has been shown millions of times

Humans are top of the food chain - this was achieved by eating plants and animals of all kinds

FluffTheDog

mickman wrote: »

You seem to think that dairy is bad for us?

How would you possibly know that ?

I eat loads of dairy as I have no bad reaction to it and I love it. I gave it up for a while and felt terruble and weak

With regard to your other comment about a mammal drinking another's milk not being normal ? Again who says ?

All animals will drink another mammals milk if they are orphaned , this has been shown millions of times

Humans are top of the food chain - this was achieved by eating plants and animals of all kinds

Well most people aren't orphaned so there is no need for it. Actually even vets say not to give milk to dogs and cats because they believe it's not good for them.

I think that as grown adults, there is simply no need for dairy in our diets. And there's a lot of doctors out their saying it is bad for us. Dr John McDougall and Dr Greger to name only 2.

Question for you, do you honestly not believe that dairy is made by female cows for their calves, in the same way that women make milk for their human babies?

Alf Veedersane

Jesus wept.

FluffTheDog

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Jesus wept.

Great contribution.

ford2600

FluffTheDog wrote: »

Protein is a non-issue really. The world health organisation says 5% of calories from protein is enough. So unless you're undereating, there's no way you wouldn't get enough.

A non issue once your most strenuous exercise is tree hugging maybe:D

Dozen Wicked Words

If Dr John McDougall is your source for information I don't hold out much hope for you OP.
This is the same Dr John McDougall who reckoned Steve Jobs had pancreatic cancer since his 20s, but kept it quiet and lived for so long with it because of his vegan diet. I'm going to say that is grade A bulls*it.

RandomName2

Did ya know that oranges give you cancer?

See, their orange colour tries to warn us. It's a no-brainer that citric acid and fructose is bad for us. Source.

Actually I just made all that BS up and that "source" is garbage. Move along.

Timberrrrrrrr

ford2600 wrote: »

A non issue once your most strenuous exercise is tree hugging maybe:D

Wouldn't be squatting 100kg fecking celery sticks that's for sure.

tayto lover

Love a big chunk of butter on my spuds.
Love cold milk.
Love certain yogurts.
Love all kinds of cheese.
Love ice-cream.

Everything in moderation is the key. (except for my steaks which I like big and cooked medium).

FluffTheDog

tayto lover wrote: »

Love a big chunk of butter on my spuds.
Love cold milk.
Love certain yogurts.
Love all kinds of cheese.
Love ice-cream.

Everything in moderation is the key. (except for my steaks which I like big and cooked medium).

I tried to do moderation. Turns out I couldn't stop thinking about food while doing things "in moderation". Moderation is boring.

papu

FluffTheDog wrote: »

I tried to do moderation. Turns out I couldn't stop thinking about food while doing things "in moderation". Moderation is boring.

Righttt.... And going to extremes is much healthier

FluffTheDog

papu wrote: »

Righttt.... And going to extremes is much healthier

What extremes? My anaemia, asthma and ibs are things of the past now because of a simple dietary change. Hardly extreme at all!

RandomName2

FluffTheDog wrote: »

What extremes? My anaemia, asthma and ibs are things of the past now because of a simple dietary change. Hardly extreme at all!

Anemia and asthma disappearing due to reduction in dairy intake?

Just... think about that for a moment.

"All that milk was making my bronchioles super sensitive."

"I have so much iron in my blood now since I don't eat cheese"

Hmm

Ave Sodalis

FluffTheDog wrote: »

What extremes? My anaemia, asthma and ibs are things of the past now because of a simple dietary change. Hardly extreme at all!

That's interesting...

http://thorax.bmj.com/content/58/7/567.short
http://www.nature.com/nri/journal/v10/n12/abs/nri2871.html
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-2222.2006.02640.x/full


With regard to the anemia, how much milk did you used to drink? It must have been excessive to cause anemia?

Milly33

I must say this has to b the daftest thing I have read all day. what an odd thing to say.. even that women or the female of the species produce milk to feed their young does that not tell you that is it something completely natural and that it is good for you.. Just because you have issues with it does not really make it a wrong thing to eat..

whats wrong with most of it is that there is too much messing around with it..Like you see all these fancy milks like extra vitamins low fat blah blah blah.. Back in the day milk was milk and you drank it, then they started messing with it taking things out of it to make it as they so call it healthier then people got deficiencies from lake of vitamin d and so on, makes you think stop messing with a perfectly natural product..

Alf Veedersane

This is marvellous. A change in diet resulted in health benefits for the OP but now us weirdos who drink milk from another mammal should really be exiled to Sodom or Gomorrah.

FluffTheDog

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

This is marvellous. A change in diet resulted in health benefits for the OP but now us weirdos who drink milk from another mammal should really be exiled to Sodom or Gomorrah.

You're very narrow minded.

FluffTheDog

Milly33 wrote: »

I must say this has to b the daftest thing I have read all day. what an odd thing to say.. even that women or the female of the species produce milk to feed their young does that not tell you that is it something completely natural and that it is good for you.. Just because you have issues with it does not really make it a wrong thing to eat..

whats wrong with most of it is that there is too much messing around with it..Like you see all these fancy milks like extra vitamins low fat blah blah blah.. Back in the day milk was milk and you drank it, then they started messing with it taking things out of it to make it as they so call it healthier then people got deficiencies from lake of vitamin d and so on, makes you think stop messing with a perfectly natural product..

"their young" being the key words in that comment.

Ave Sodalis

FluffTheDog wrote: »

"their young" being the key words in that comment.

Unless you are capable of drinking milk, in which case it can be for you too. The reason it stays to "their young" in other species is because they develop an intolerance. Most humans don't, therefore there is nothing wrong with drinking milk, be it from a cow or goat or where ever else.

papu

FluffTheDog wrote: »

"their young" being the key words in that comment.

And the vegetables grow themselves solely to be eaten by you?

Oregano_State

Summation of thread so far:

Argument against: It's another animal's breast milk.

Argument for: Yeah, so what? It tastes unreal and has a decent macronutrient profile.

Argument against: It's another animal's breast milk.

the_syco

FluffTheDog wrote: »

Really? You don't think it's weird to drink breast milk from another animal? Milk that is obviously made for that animals offspring?

Considering that I'll probably eat it's offspring a few months later, no. No I do not.

Milly33

Ah jaysus come off it read up on it, even when you click into wiki all it says straight off is it is good. It is the most natural thing in the world... People survive on it look at some of the people in third world most survice on just their mothers breast milk because they cant afford food.. sorry now have to say it Your just mad so you are in a nice way