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Wonder Woman (2017)
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Just watched this last night. Overall I enjoyed it, it edges out MoS as the best in the DCEU so far IMO. Gadot and Pine are brilliant together and they really sold the relationship between Diana and Steve. That WW actually evoked an emotional response with Steve's sacrifice at the end speaks volumes. The last comic book movie to do that was the first Captain America movie (in eerily similar circumstances) and it is something missing in the vast majority of the MCU and DCEU movies fail to achieve. It also hit a nice balance of humour, action, and drama. Diana's "fish out of water" perspective really added to it too. The action was very well done. No Mans Land in particular was just awesome. The fight with Ludendoff was pretty decent. It had a nice close quarters, weighty feel to it. Even the final fight looked good.
It's not all good though. While I don't think there's any major issues with WW, there's a good few minor things that bugged me.
- They went a bit OTT with the "war is hell" message, mostly coming from Steve. I mean, we can see that, it doesn't need to be stated so much.
- The CGI/action/choreography is ropey in places. The opening montage of Amazonians training was ambitious but ultimately looked fake. A lot of WW's movements looked 'off' to me. It's like she was gliding around the place at times. There was no consistency to how she moved. Maybe that was on purpose but there were several times where they way she moved just looked wrong.
- Some of the dialogue was quite cringe. One that sticks out like a sore thumb was the exchange between Dr. Poison and Ludendoff after throwing the poison (and mask) into the room with all the generals. It was like something out of the 60s Batman show it was that cheesy - evil laugh and all.
- The rag tag group was too in your face rag tag. They obviously tried to go for light and likable but I think they overshot on their portrayal of that. That moment with them huddled together facing death was touching though.
- How is the Amazonian island still hidden? Ok fine, the ship went down but 1) surely the Germans would investigate the disappearance of one of their ships and crew and would know the general area to look in, and 2) Given that Steve was flying from Belgium to London how has no other ship ever stumbled on to it before? The English Channel isn't that big. Also, I find it really weird that it happens to be in the English channel
- Why, when Aries is killed, do the German soldiers all start hugging each other (and their enemies)? Aries was telling the truth when he said he was not influencing man, merely giving them tools. So why this contradiction? I quite liked the whole journey of Diana realising that man was flawed and capable of terrible things all on their own. The ending kinda undid that.
That might seem like a lot of negatives but overall I did enjoy it a lot. I much rather these kind of minor annoyances over the messes that SS and BvS were. It's up there with the best of the MCU despite its flaws and hopefully the rest of the DCEU can learn from it.0 -
silverharp wrote: »is there a plot hole with their boat trip from ~Greece back to the UK, it would have taken a month or 2 but in film they have allegedly done it in a couple of days?
Actually, I'm a bit confused here. Wasn't Steve in Belgium when he stole the notebook? Isn't that where Dr. Poison was doing her work? And then he was flying to the UK. How did he end up near Greece? I had just assumed the Amazonian island was somewhere between Belgium and the UK.
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Actually, I'm a bit confused here. Wasn't Steve in Belgium when he stole the notebook? Isn't that where Dr. Poison was doing her work? And then he was flying to the UK. How did he end up near Greece? I had just assumed the Amazonian island was somewhere between Belgium and the UK.
No he was in Turkey, the base was in a desert wasn't it?0 -
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Actually, I'm a bit confused here. Wasn't Steve in Belgium when he stole the notebook? Isn't that where Dr. Poison was doing her work? And then he was flying to the UK. How did he end up near Greece? I had just assumed the Amazonian island was somewhere between Belgium and the UK.
Nope it was somewhere in the Med; I suspect it was Turkey, as the troops Steve snuck past were very definitely wearing uniforms of the Ottoman Empire.0 -
Actually, I'm a bit confused here. Wasn't Steve in Belgium when he stole the notebook? Isn't that where Dr. Poison was doing her work? And then he was flying to the UK. How did he end up near Greece? I had just assumed the Amazonian island was somewhere between Belgium and the UK.
No he was in a "secret military installation" in the Ottoman Empire.
So close geographically to where Themyscira would be.0 -
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We lasted 80mins. It was enough.
Good for you.
I got through 25 mins a few nights ago. I don't know if I'm returning to it to finish it out.
I hear the middle section is good, but the end is limp. But, as far as I'm concerned the opening was terrible. So it must be the middle of the film that worth all the praise that this film got. 0 -
Good for you.
I got through 25 mins a few nights ago. I don't know if I'm returning to it to finish it out.
I hear the middle section is good, but the end is limp. But, as far as I'm concerned the opening was terrible. So it must be the middle of the film that worth all the praise that this film got.
Did you get to the part where Gal is seen in the WW costume
If you're sleepy for that section, get someone to check if you have a pulse 
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Avatar MIA wrote: »Did you get to the part where Gal is seen in the WW costume If you're sleepy for that section, get someone to check if you have a pulse ;)
No, they're all still on the Island. It's after that rubbish slo-mo battle on the beach. She's talking to Steve about his nonsense in Turkey and what not. I didn't actually get to an "wonder" bits.
Seems to me, based on what I've seen and heard that Gal Godot is almost totally responsible for the goodwill that's been lavished upon this film.
Have to say though, she does nothing for me. Pulse checked and still going.
I might stick the rest on later and see where it goes, but I so many other things that are sitting there waiting to be watched.0 -
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I think Wonder Woman is worth evaluating within the context in which it was born; it has its flaws for sure (a minor point, but in retrospect, I found the colour grading to actually make me feel ill at points), yet it was a competent, fun, breezy film that for a lot of people managed to belatedly kick the DCEU into something resembling a first or second gear.
After 3 films of DC characters grimacing in the rain, it was cathartic to watch a superhero film about its titular character wanting to be heroic and being thus. No space-jesus despairing at how awful this burden of Earth's protector was - just Wonder Woman turning to the audience and saying 'hold my drink', then saving the day.
As for Gadot; meh. She's not my type, but even if she were, in this era of the internet the notion of watching films for some pretty faces feels a bit redundant. Literally every taste, preference and fetish is catered for within 10 seconds of googling. Gal Gadot parading around in a mini-skirt is kinda quant at this stage 0 -
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The theme for anyone who might wanna re-listen:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gw_o7XUX3fg
and of course .. No Man's Land!
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