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    #152
    MrWalsh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,664 ✭✭✭MrWalsh


    The scary thing is that people really dont see that they are holding a bigoted view, they actually think that it is ok to say the things they said. This was said:
    challengemaster wrote: »
    People have these attitudes for a reason - and that lies solely with the travelling community.

    Imagine it as this:
    challengemaster wrote: »
    People have these attitudes for a reason - and that lies solely with the black south african.

    Or this:
    challengemaster wrote: »
    People have these attitudes for a reason - and that lies solely with the homosexuals.

    I mean seriously? Imagine a gay man being bombarded with accusatory questions pertaining to a gay stereotype?

    Q1: So do most gay people like bathhouse type establishments?
    Q2: How do you feel about the amount of promiscuity within the gay community?
    Answer: I cant speak for other gay people, Im not promiscuous myself.
    Q3: Why dont gay people want to be in monogomous relationships?
    Q4: Do you think most gay people want gay marriage or do they prefer to sleep around a lot?

    I mean - thats the type of nonsense TG had to suffer, except the questions were framed around a negative stereotype of travellers and their income rather than a negative stereotype of gay people and their promiscuity.

    Anyone who was hammering at that line of questioning need to take a long hard look at themselves imo.


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    #153
    Gits_bone
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,345 ✭✭✭Gits_bone


    Vic_08 wrote: »
    It is "Ask Me Anything" not "I Will Answer Everything".

    The girl was asked questions about income and she gave an answer, the only people that got banned were those that would not accept they were not going to get an answer that they liked on the topic.

    Asking the question was fine, repeatedly asking it after it was clear she was not going to answer to your satisfaction and harassing her about the topic was not OK.

    Bans were threatened to people who asked the question I think, there was a mod warning. And how is asking someone a question that wasn't answered considered harassment? People mentioned she was ducking and diving. I believe she was. She didn't answer a question about her own income either.

    If she didn't want to answer, fine. But to have a mod come in and tell people to stop asking and threatening bans is poor form.
    Gordon wrote: »
    Considering Enda Kenny is paid to answer the public's questions, and people on AMA are not, but instead doing so out of their own volition, revealing as much private details as they wish or are able to reveal.

    No, just don't be a dick, that's all we ask. If you are a dick, you get banned.

    Unfortunately don't be a dick is outdated. We all have different views so what everyone considers a dick is different. I don't consider asking questions like many people asked yesterday as dickish.

    PS. If Enda Kenny did an AMA he would not be paid to answer the questions as it would be voluntary. Are you saying if people asked about his income and he didn't answer mods would threaten bans to people who asked?


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    #154
    Gits_bone
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,345 ✭✭✭Gits_bone


    MrWalsh wrote: »
    The scary thing is that people really dont see that they are holding a bigoted view, they actually think that it is ok to say the things they said. This was said:



    Imagine it as this:


    Or this:


    I mean seriously? Imagine a gay man being bombarded with accusatory questions pertaining to a gay stereotype?

    Q1: So do most gay people like bathhouse type establishments?
    Q2: How do you feel about the amount of promiscuity within the gay community?
    Answer: I cant speak for other gay people, Im not promiscuous myself.
    Q3: Why dont gay people want to be in monogomous relationships?
    Q4: Do you think most gay people want gay marriage or do they prefer to sleep around a lot?

    I mean - thats the type of nonsense TG had to suffer, except the questions were framed around a negative stereotype of travellers and their income rather than a negative stereotype of gay people and their promiscuity.

    Anyone who was hammering at that line of questioning need to take a long hard look at themselves imo.

    She was asked about her own income as well and didn't answer.

    Asking "How do some travellers afford 100k cars?" is a perfectly reasonable question.

    She is a traveller so it would be expected that she would know some travellers.


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    #155
    MrWalsh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,664 ✭✭✭MrWalsh


    Gits_bone wrote: »
    She was asked about her own income as well and didn't answer.

    Asking "How do some travellers afford 100k cars?" is a perfectly reasonable question.

    She is a traveller so it would be expected that she would know some travellers.

    She is not required to answer every question.

    While one question taken out of context might seem reasonable, I think you are doing some serious burying the head in the sand in relation to how the questions were being framed and asked by multiple posters on that thread.

    Youre trying to justify bigotry. There is no justification.


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    #156
    Gits_bone
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,345 ✭✭✭Gits_bone


    MrWalsh wrote: »
    She is not required to answer every question.

    While one question taken out of context might seem reasonable, I think you are doing some serious burying the head in the sand in relation to how the questions were being framed and asked by multiple posters on that thread.

    Youre trying to justify bigotry. There is no justification.

    Asking questions shouldn't be met with a ban.

    It was a fantastic chance to dispel some ideas of settled people.

    Perhaps by not saying anything, we might have got an answer after all.

    And I don't hear you giving out about mars bars post which was stereotyping.


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    #157
    MrWalsh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,664 ✭✭✭MrWalsh


    Gits_bone wrote: »
    Asking questions shouldn't be met with a ban.

    Displaying bigotry should be met with a ban imo. Its muppetry, its being a dick, and it should be roundly discouraged.


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    #158
    Luke92
    Registered Users Posts: 723 ✭✭✭Luke92


    Numerous mod warnings about the questions. This site is moderated. Always has been. If you don't agree with the moderation then don't use boards. Simple solution.


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    #159
    Gits_bone
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,345 ✭✭✭Gits_bone


    Luke92 wrote: »
    Numerous mod warnings about the questions. This site is moderated. Always has been. If you don't agree with the moderation then don't use boards. Simple solution.

    I'm giving feedback.

    Change the name of the forum.


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    #160
    MrWalsh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,664 ✭✭✭MrWalsh


    Gits_bone wrote: »
    I'm giving feedback.

    Change the name of the forum.

    To what?


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    #161
    Gits_bone
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,345 ✭✭✭Gits_bone


    MrWalsh wrote: »
    To what?

    Questions and Answers


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    #162
    MrWalsh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,664 ✭✭✭MrWalsh


    Gits_bone wrote: »
    Questions and Answers

    How is that going to keep the bigotry down?


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    #163
    eviltwin
    Registered Users Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    No one will bother to volunteer for AMA if they are going to be open to abuse. Could questions not be submitted first, only printed if approved and then the volunteers can choose which to answer?


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    #164
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    eviltwin wrote: »
    No one will bother to volunteer for AMA if they are going to be open to abuse. Could questions not be submitted first, only printed if approved and then the volunteers can choose which to answer?

    Great idea..........
    Sounds like an Enda Kenny AMA.


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    #165
    eviltwin
    Registered Users Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    mikom wrote: »
    Great idea..........
    Sounds like an Enda Kenny AMA.

    Or we can continue as is and anyone with a decent story to tell won't bother. It happened to the traveller thread and to the one with the son of a same sex couple. If someone is good enough to volunteer they should be protected.


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    #166
    Tokyo
    Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,655 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tokyo


    Gits_bone wrote: »
    I'm giving feedback.

    Change the name of the forum.

    >>> Feedback forum.


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    #167
    Gits_bone
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,345 ✭✭✭Gits_bone


    eviltwin wrote: »
    Or we can continue as is and anyone with a decent story to tell won't bother. It happened to the traveller thread and to the one with the son of a same sex couple. If someone is good enough to volunteer they should be protected.

    No point having an AMA where you can't ask the questions you would like to know the answer to the most.


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    #168
    MrWalsh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,664 ✭✭✭MrWalsh


    Gits_bone wrote: »
    No point having an AMA where you can't ask the questions you would like to know the answer to the most.

    They werent the questions I wanted to know the answer to the most.


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    #169
    The Moldy Gowl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 19,889 ✭✭✭✭The Moldy Gowl


    Good ol trusty gits bone up to his usual self again .


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    #170
    eviltwin
    Registered Users Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    Gits_bone wrote: »
    No point having an AMA where you can't ask the questions you would like to know the answer to the most.

    I'm talking more about the phrasing of questions than the questions themselves and the way some people didn't ask questions at all but used the thread to criticize - thinking of the poster with two mums specifically.


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    #171
    Gits_bone
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,345 ✭✭✭Gits_bone


    Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »
    Good ol trusty gits bone up to his usual self again .

    I'm surprised you didn't come in with a childish comment abouts gowls or something like you always post in the Utd thread.

    Great feedback on the forum though. Top notch.


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    #172
    Gits_bone
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,345 ✭✭✭Gits_bone


    MrWalsh wrote: »
    They werent the questions I wanted to know the answer to the most.

    It was for a lot of people, hence why it was asked so often.


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    #173
    The Moldy Gowl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 19,889 ✭✭✭✭The Moldy Gowl


    Gits_bone wrote: »
    I'm surprised you didn't come in with a childish comment abouts gowls or something like you always post in the Utd thread.

    Great feedback on the forum though. Top notch.

    Ahhh good ol deflection.

    Well if you want to bring up other forums, why don't you post there?
    You have a history of not being a credible poster.


    But forum feedback. You can ask anything you want within the remit of the site, don't be surprised if someone dosent want to answer a question. They don't have to, do you want someone to answer every single question?


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    #174
    MrWalsh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,664 ✭✭✭MrWalsh


    Gits_bone wrote: »
    It was for a lot of people, hence why it was asked so often.

    No - it was asked so often because bigots were using the AMA as an opportunity to display some "justified" bigotry.


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    #175
    Gits_bone
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,345 ✭✭✭Gits_bone


    Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »
    Ahhh good ol deflection.

    Well if you want to bring up other forums, why don't you post there?
    You have a history of not being a credible poster.


    But forum feedback. You can ask anything you want within the remit of the site, don't be surprised if someone dosent want to answer a question. They don't have to, do you want someone to answer every single question?

    Clearly you can't ask anything you want.

    You could at least read a few posts in the thread before trying to feign feedback just to have a pop at me.


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    #176
    Gits_bone
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,345 ✭✭✭Gits_bone


    MrWalsh wrote: »
    No - it was asked so often because bigots were using the AMA as an opportunity to display some "justified" bigotry.

    Asking someone where they get their income and clear dodging of the question so it keeps popping up because others would like to know the answer too is bigotry?


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    #177
    The Moldy Gowl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 19,889 ✭✭✭✭The Moldy Gowl


    Gits_bone wrote: »
    Clearly you can't ask anything you want.

    You could at least read a few posts in the thread before trying to feign feedback just to have a pop at me.

    Yes. Obviously you can't ask anything you want.

    Why can't you see that? It's not your site and harassing people will be punished


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    #178
    The Moldy Gowl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 19,889 ✭✭✭✭The Moldy Gowl


    Gits_bone wrote: »
    Asking someone where they get their income and clear dodging of the question so it keeps popping up because others would like to know the answer too is bigotry?

    Then just take it as it is. Make up your own implication


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    #179
    MrWalsh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,664 ✭✭✭MrWalsh


    Gits_bone wrote: »
    Asking someone where they get their income and clear dodging of the question so it keeps popping up because others would like to know the answer too is bigotry?

    Again Gits_bone, you are ignoring the context and tone of the questions.


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    #180
    Tokyo
    Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,655 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tokyo


    Gits_bone wrote: »
    No point having an AMA where you can't ask the questions you would like to know the answer to the most.

    As risk of repeating what countless others have been trying to say, it's not what was asked, but how it was asked, and if indeed, it was a question at all, rather than a thinly veiled dig at the travelling community under the guise of "well OP, you did sign up to have questions asked, and we have a RIGHT TO KNOW..."

    TravellerGirl, are either yourself or your partner in paid employment currently. If not, what do ye see as your future prospects for earning a living?
    Question. And a reasonable one, which the OP may or may not choose to answer.
    How can some travellers afford €100,000 cars without actually having employment?
    Insinuation.
    Hi op,How come travellers tend to have large cashflows and drive big new cars,designer clothes etc without being employed? Is there that much of a return in scrap metal collection?
    Insinuation/accusation.
    IMO the settled community would be a whole lot more open to accepting travellers if a high (higher than settled) proportion of your community were not as prone to stealing, fighting and treating the countryside like a tip.
    Being a dick, full stop.

    The fact that this needs to be explained in black and white, and yet is still beyond the grasp of some people, is quite frankly, worrying. And says a lot more about the person asking these 'questions', than the person who signed up for the AMA to begin with.


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    #181
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    mike_ie wrote: »
    Quote:
    TravellerGirl, are either yourself or your partner in paid employment currently. If not, what do ye see as your future prospects for earning a living?

    That was my one.
    Needless to say it was not answered.


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