The Mega Mk7 Golf GTI/GTD/R thread

JoeA3

The heated seats are great aren't they I have them on at "level 2" pretty much all the time. I programmed mine with VCDS to make them "remember" my last setting. By default, they do go off once you switch off the ignition for more than 10 minutes.

Sounds like you guys with the PP GTI's aren't doing that much better than me, MPG wise. A mate of mine has a GTI PP though and he tells me he averages mid 30's.

I suppose it's hard to compare, as everyone's journeys and typical commutes and driving styles are different.

ondafly

very true Joe - the majority of my drives are quite short. Last week though, a trip to Castlebar I was averaging around 36mpg, but thats all motorway/100kmh roads, so much easier on the old right foot.

vintagevrs

I got 46mpg out of the R before, over approx 50km. That was a dull day. Over a different 50km at the weekend I got 7mpg.

So anything in between is achievable in my opinion. You'll do well to get higher or lower I'd say.

dar83

Donnelly117 wrote: »

Jaysus was the ST that bad? At least you got to listen to the 5cyl though!!
Have you the DSG box in the GTI?

50 mpg would be a dream at this stage!! The BM doesn't have a live readout, which I miss from the MCS, it was always entertaining to see how fast you could get it to single figures :P

That's actually being a bit kind to the ST. I honestly never bothered to work it out properly, as there was nothing to be gained from doing so! It was usually showing about 12.4l/100km on the trip computer but could be up at 16 or down at 9/10 if you were motorway cruising for any period.

The GTI is manual, no DSG for me at the moment, the electronic handbrake was a big enough change for my left hand to get used to! Haha. Maybe the next one though if there is one, we'll see.

carsfan

I'm averaging 34mpg in my manual gti pp according to the trip computer but I rarely do very short trips.
I still think there is a jump to an r over gti pp in the initial outlay and in running costs that is not to be sneezed at.
Two things I don't like about my car are trips to refuel being quite frequent( coming from a 520d bmw) and lack of dsg. I kind of imagine that an r dsg would be great except for fuel costs. Dealer has offered me an R dsg for a couple of days to see what I think but I am afraid to try it in case I like it too much.

On a side note I got a call from a Garda today to warn me that members of an ethnic minority were admiring/inspecting my car while parked across from my work and especially the wheels. He said they were driving an older golf so was warning me to keep an eye out. I presume locking wheel nuts are secure?

everlast75

carsfan wrote: »

I'm averaging 34mpg in my manual gti pp according to the trip computer but I rarely do very short trips.
I still think there is a jump to an r over gti pp in the initial outlay and in running costs that is not to be sneezed at.
Two things I don't like about my car are trips to refuel being quite frequent( coming from a 520d bmw) and lack of dsg. I kind of imagine that an r dsg would be great except for fuel costs. Dealer has offered me an R dsg for a couple of days to see what I think but I am afraid to try it in case I like it too much.

On a side note I got a call from a Garda today to warn me that members of an ethnic minority were admiring/inspecting my car while parked across from my work and especially the wheels. He said they were driving an older golf so was warning me to keep an eye out. I presume locking wheel nuts are secure?

I'm exactly the same

Locking wheel nuts should be quite secure alright!

The reason I asked about a performance pack is that I'm thinking of changing my GTD to a GTi - a 151 for a 151. Its only a notion at the moment and I spotted a 2nd hand 141 GTi, but it has DSG and performance pack. (Unfortunately its a 3 door) So I was wondering if the PP made much of a difference...

dar83

everlast75 wrote: »

The reason I asked about a performance pack is that I'm thinking of changing my GTD to a GTi - a 151 for a 151. Its only a notion at the moment and I spotted a 2nd hand 141 GTi, but it has DSG and performance pack. (Unfortunately its a 3 door) So I was wondering if the PP made much of a difference...

Personally, before I bought I wasn't thinking so, as what you get over the standard GTI doesn't seem to be anything too great and the increased outlay does push you closer to the potential R category and rationalisation. But in saying that, now that I've got a PP I look back and think how glad I am as I would have always been kicking myself had I not gotten it compared to the standard GTI. The bigger brakes are a big seller to me for a start, but then you add the LSD and it really starts to make it worthwhile.

Realistically I may look to keep this car for a number of years (not decided on that yet) and if I do, then I will be looking into the world of remaps at some point and this is where both the additions on the PP will really come into their own.

I would say if you plan on keeping it a year or two and then chopping it in for a newer model, then the vanilla GTI will more than likely be enough for day to day usage, but if you plan on keeping it for nay length of time and potentially modifying it at all, then the PP is definitely the one to go for.

carsfan

I test drove a gti and then bought the pp as I had read tests/ reviews that all said the differential transformed the car.
Honestly I don't know if it transforms it but the brakes are excellent on the pp. Also the traction mid corner and the ability to hold its line in corners is better than the regular for definite but only when you're pushing it.
In the real world of commuting you're unlikely to notice the difference I would think unless you're someone who floors it all the time.

JoeA3

I had a non-PP GTI for 2 years. Great car, loved it. Only thing that bugged me at times was lack of traction at the front, particularly in the wet when you "floor it". I believe the PP's differential helps alleviate that to some degree, but not to the degree that AWD in the R does

I think in everyday driving, real world conditions you'd mostly struggle to tell the difference between the PP and non-PP. How often do you drive like Lewis Hamilton on your way to work?

The bigger brakes (same brake setup as the R as far as I know) do look better aesthetically - and the fronts have GTI badging!

carsfan

Gti pp has the same problem putting its power down from a standstill as the non pp. I think the diff comes into its own when you're up and running and attacking corners. In reality how often will you do that?
The extra horsepower probably only slightly overcompensates for the weight of the diff. All that said I would still pay for the pp model.
I was thinking that if only VW would put the 240 hp biturbo diesel with 4 wheel drive into the golf that car would be the perfect all rounder and I would say would easily keep up with the R in the real world.

Nonoperational

There's currently a car fairy assembling my GTD as we speak!

Neilw

This is from VW, list of models which are not part of the co2 issue.

Ron Burgundy II

Neilw wrote: »

This is from VW, list of models which are not part of the co2 issue.

What is 110kw in terms of BHP. 150?? I hate asking this when ye are all on about GTI and Rs'.

Golfgorfield

carsfan wrote: »

Gti pp has the same problem putting its power down from a standstill as the non pp. I think the diff comes into its own when you're up and running and attacking corners. In reality how often will you do that?
The extra horsepower probably only slightly overcompensates for the weight of the diff. All that said I would still pay for the pp model.
I was thinking that if only VW would put the 240 hp biturbo diesel with 4 wheel drive into the golf that car would be the perfect all rounder and I would say would easily keep up with the R in the real world.

My bosses brother works for VW in Germany and apparantly the Bi-Turbo has been tested in a 4wd Golf, the name GTDr was mentioned, id guess it will happen but not until 2017 at his stage?

Neilw

Ron Burgundy II wrote: »

What is 110kw in terms of BHP. 150?? I hate asking this when ye are all on about GTI and Rs'.

147 ish bhp, or 150ps.

everlast75

So i checked around about changing the GTD for a GTi.

There is a 141 nice spec one and the garage said they would do a swap with me, subject to re-financing - at 6.9%!

I rang the place I bought the GTD from in May - I paid max deposit and the car was around €41000 new. They are allowing a part exchange of €34,500 (which is 5k depreciation) on a new 161 GTi, with free servicing for 3 years (if I order before xmas). I need to pony up €4500 to keep the PCP rates comparable to the one I am paying now...

carsfan

Are you tempted?

everlast75

carsfan wrote: »

Are you tempted?

Well my GTD is spec'd out to high heaven, 18" alloys, leather seats, winter pack, tech pack, keyless entry... and the GTi has the tech pack, oynx white and keyless and alcantara seats... but has the service pack for the 3 years too (whatever that is worth I don't know)

but it is 5.5k depreciation in one year - which I guess is to be expected...

Hard to know what to do

JoeA3

everlast75 wrote: »

Well my GTD is spec'd out to high heaven, 18" alloys, leather seats, winter pack, tech pack, keyless entry... and the GTi has the tech pack, oynx white and keyless and alcantara seats... but has the service pack for the 3 years too (whatever that is worth I don't know)

but it is 5.5k depreciation in one year - which I guess is to be expected...

Hard to know what to do

41k - 34.5k = 6.5k depreciation, right?!

But yeah, 34-35k sounds about right after 1 year. You'll find that if you kept it for another year or two, that depreciation curve will flatten a bit... you'd be offered ~29-30k for it this time next year... ~26.5k the following year....

You also spec'd stuff like leather, keyless, etc and unfortunately you don't get much return on them on a trade in. Someone going in with a standard spec GTD would get almost as much for theirs. Ticking a few options is costly!

carsfan

I ask as I've been offered similar on moving from 151 gti pp to 161 R dsg.
I put max deposit in too on pcp. To do the same on the R will cost about 5k and the repayment is about 30 euro extra per month. On the face of it I think this is ok. I have leather in my gti and the quote for the R doesn't include this however so that would push the cost up again.
I've pretty much decided to leave it for now.....I think.
Looked at carzone at lunchtime and saw a black R in stock with dsg and gorgeous carbon leather that looks amazing and made me start dreaming again....

everlast75

Do dealers not have 2-2.5k to play around with though? Or is that only on a cash deal?

JoeA3

everlast75 wrote: »

Do dealers not have 2-2.5k to play around with though? Or is that only on a cash deal?

They do but they'll massage the figures around to however way sounds better to you! When he tells you he's giving you 34.5k for yours as a trade in, you'll have to come up with whatever the difference is to the full retail price of the new car, e.g. New GTI is 40k so you need to come up with 5.5k.

He could on the other hand tell you that the new car has a 2k discount (so it's now 38k), but in that scenario he'll be giving you 32.5k for yours!

In my experience Irish dealers take the former approach if you have a trade in and discounts are for cash/straight deals only.

everlast75

JoeA3 wrote: »

They do but they'll massage the figures around to however way sounds better to you! When he tells you he's giving you 34.5k for yours as a trade in, you'll have to come up with whatever the difference is to the full retail price of the new car, e.g. New GTI is 40k so you need to come up with 5.5k.

He could on the other hand tell you that the new car has a 2k discount (so it's now 38k), but in that scenario he'll be giving you 32.5k for yours!

In my experience Irish dealers take the former approach if you have a trade in and discounts are for cash/straight deals only.

I might chance the arm and see if I can narrow the gap by 2k. If (and it is a big if) he does then I might just do it...

JoeA3

everlast75 wrote: »

I might chance the arm and see if I can narrow the gap by 2k. If (and it is a big if) he does then I might just do it...

You never know. Price one or two other dealers too, just for comparison sakes. 34.5k is the opening offer but there should be room for a bit more... 2k more is probably very optimistic but I'd say you could top 35.

carsfan

I would guess that some or all of that 2.5k manoeuvre room he has is already on the quote you got but nothing ventured nothing gained so give it a go.
As a matter of interest why are you changing to the gti anyway?

vintagevrs

carsfan wrote: »

To do the same on the R will cost about 5k and the repayment is about 30 euro extra per month.

It is interesting how the PCP figures look so tempting. That looks like stepping into a brand new R for 5k and a few extra quid a month, looks like it would be mad not to!


Over three years the monthlies are an extra 1k.

I assume the final payment on the R is a couple k more too. Still doesn't seem too bad. Total cost maybe 8k to change into a car that is worth maybe 5k more anyway? Or am I way out with those numbers?

JoeA3

vintagevrs wrote: »

It is interesting how the PCP figures look so tempting. That looks like stepping into a brand new R for 5k and a few extra quid a month, looks like it would be mad not to!


Over three years the monthlies are an extra 1k.

I assume the final payment on the R is a couple k more too. Still doesn't seem too bad. Total cost maybe 8k to change into a car that is worth maybe 5k more anyway? Or am I way out with those numbers?

I don't get it either. 151 GTI to 161 R is approx 11-12k cost to change, right?
So where does that 5k figure come from? I assume the PCP is all refinanced back to square one and somehow 5k is the number you need to cough up?

everlast75

carsfan wrote: »

I would guess that some or all of that 2.5k manoeuvre room he has is already on the quote you got but nothing ventured nothing gained so give it a go.
As a matter of interest why are you changing to the gti anyway?

Well I got a good discount on the GTD as I paid a hefty deposit so maybe that's where that maneuverability came from.

I checked with a few garages and they all came up with the same trade in allowance. It must be locked into the VW database.

Why am I thinking of changing? The GTD is a lovely care but I'm not passionate about it I guess :-/

carsfan

I have a feeling there might be a mistake in the numbers he e mailed me now that I look at them again. I had a quick look as I had kinda put it out of my head to do it. I suppose I will have made about 14 /15 months payments but will be starting back at square one with a new car.
Looking at them now again I think he may have discounted the New car but also bumped up the trade in at the same time making the gap smaller when he should have only done one or the other like what joe was talking about earlier.if the figures he wants to do a deal on are correct would I be a fool not to explore further?

vintagevrs

Whats the retail difference in the 2 cars? Subtract that from the total cost to change. Total cost to change is what they are looking for now (5k I think) + total monthly difference (1080) + the difference in GFMV.

When you do that calc that's how much you have lost on your current car. If it's only a couple €k then seems like a good deal.

Question is then, did you even want to change?