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    #32
    Into The Blue
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,358 ✭✭✭Into The Blue


    The_Morrigan wrote: »
    Some posts warrant a forum ban, which isn't visible.

    Cheers for that, I thought a card would be associated with the offending post.

    I wonder would making it public help fellow posters learn from others mistakes?


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    #33
    The_Morrigan
    Moderators Posts: 9,368 ✭✭✭The_Morrigan


    Into The Blue wrote: »
    Cheers for that, I thought a card would be associated with the offending post.

    I wonder would making it public help fellow posters learn from others mistakes?

    Nope, an action could be based on one post or multiple posts or the general behaviour of a poster to date in that forum. It's not always an exact science.


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    #34
    Harold Finchs Machine
    Closed Accounts Posts: 76 ✭✭Harold Finchs Machine


    Business Cat wrote: »

    I certainly (and Id be confident that pretty much every other mod would be exactly the same) didn't hold a grudge to any reporter or anything of the sort.

    If you think a mod is abusing their powers OP then dont be afraid to PM one of the admins. Reports of shenanigans are always taken extremely seriously.
    Didnt some mod have a fit awhile back when he saw a reported post about him and cause hassle for the reporter?

    Youd want those reports going to the cmods instead of reported posts forum.


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    #35
    KERSPLAT!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,152 ✭✭✭✭KERSPLAT!


    Harold Finchs Machine wrote: »
    Didnt some mod have a fit awhile back when he saw a reported post about him and cause hassle for the reporter?

    Youd want those reports going to the cmods instead of reported posts forum.

    Any links to this?


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    #36
    Lovely Bloke
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,748 ✭✭✭✭Lovely Bloke


    KERSPLAT! wrote: »
    Any links to this?

    if it happened in the mod forum then he can hardly link it.

    either he's an ex-mod or knows a mod who showed him the mod forums, which isn't all that surprising. It's next to impossible to live with or be married to someone who's a mod and not sometimes see the mod forums.

    Same goes for people who are living with or married to CMods or even Admins and Staff - those people have access to forums that "lower" ranked people don't, but if anyone thinks they are "secret" or uber safe, then think again.

    I know for sure of at least one "normal user" who was able to read the mod forum. I have a fair idea of other people using a partners account to access parts of the site that they shouldn't be, and even carrying the duties of the (say) CMod, under the CMod's name, when the CMod is demonstrably at a location where it would be impossible for them to be carrying out those tasks.


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    #37
    Nody
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 18,261 CMod ✭✭✭✭Nody


    RopeDrink wrote: »
    Either that, or someone forgot to send me mine after all these years :pac:
    They were waiting for you in room 10A, green corridor, third floor...
    Baldy Conscience wrote: »
    if it happened in the mod forum then he can hardly link it.
    But by definition if I was out for a Vendetta against a user the last place I'd put it would be the Moderator forum because there are another 600+ Moderators there to call me up on being a Muppet (and the Cmods and Admins to check exactly what I've done, what infractions/bans etc.) and are used to look for such activity. Hence the chances that a Moderator with a vendetta (in any form) would make a post about it are minimal so why would the lack of access to said forum in any form be relating to sharing information on said incident (and if it happened a simple PM to the relevant CMod would most likely get things sorted rather quickly).


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    #38
    Mrs OBumble
    Registered Users Posts: 25,693 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    Harold Finchs Machine wrote: »
    Didnt some mod have a fit awhile back when he saw a reported post about him and cause hassle for the reporter?

    Youd want those reports going to the cmods instead of reported posts forum.

    Dunno about anyone else, but I have a very strict personal rule of only ever reading about the forums I mod in the Reported Posts forum. I made an exception once when a mod from another forum asked me to respond to a report that someone had made. But that would be the only reason.

    Because - I know from the forum that I mod that people report posts for all sorts of reasons, many justified, but some not.


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    #39
    A Fupping Rat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5 ✭A Fupping Rat


    KERSPLAT! wrote: »
    Any links to this?
    It's mentioned in this Thread. Ya'd find it from there if you really wanted it.

    boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056447653


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    #40
    KERSPLAT!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,152 ✭✭✭✭KERSPLAT!


    There's no posts about a mod having a fit in that thread, that I can see anyway.


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    #41
    A Fupping Rat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5 ✭A Fupping Rat


    KERSPLAT! wrote: »
    There's no posts about a mod having a fit in that thread, that I can see anyway.

    No, it's mentioned in it.


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    #42
    A Fupping Rat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5 ✭A Fupping Rat


    post 19


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    #43
    Brown Bomber
    Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    When a PM is sent to a mod/user based on a reported post asking them to tone it down or whatever would it be an idea to -- as a rule --- cc in the reporter of the post?






    It's quite frustrating when you know rules have been breached, especially when it's by a mod (who should know better) and for all intents and purposed it looks like you are being ignored.


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    #44
    Tokyo
    Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,655 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tokyo


    A Fupping Rat wrote: »
    It's mentioned in this Thread. Ya'd find it from there if you really wanted it.

    boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056447653
    Definitely worth highlighting the important part of that quote:
    LoLth wrote: »
    In all the time I've been on boards I think I can remember one incident where a mod abused their access to reported posts and that mod did not remain a mod after that.


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    #45
    The_Morrigan
    Moderators Posts: 9,368 ✭✭✭The_Morrigan


    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    When a PM is sent to a mod/user based on a reported post asking them to tone it down or whatever would it be an idea to -- as a rule --- cc in the reporter of the post?




    It's quite frustrating when you know rules have been breached, especially when it's by a mod (who should know better) and for all intents and purposed it looks like you are being ignored.



    Eh no....I've enough to be doing without having to faff about with sending pm's to people who report posts. Also remember that there could be multiple reports of a post, often times reports are made after the post has been dealt with.

    You get that mods are volunteers yeah?


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    #46
    Tokyo
    Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,655 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tokyo


    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    When a PM is sent to a mod/user based on a reported post asking them to tone it down or whatever would it be an idea to -- as a rule --- cc in the reporter of the post?

    It's quite frustrating when you know rules have been breached, especially when it's by a mod (who should know better) and for all intents and purposed it looks like you are being ignored.

    There's already a huge amount of discussion on this, or variations thereof - the most recent thread being here. And the answer inevitably comes back to:

    If you have reported a post, then you've done your part, it's not your problem anymore. Now trust in the moderators to do their part, and review it accordingly. And the chances of a RP going unnoticed is small - each forum has at least two moderators, and the reported posts also go to the CMods of the forum in question. Having a process in place where a moderator would have to PM each person who reports a post serves no purpose other than to place extra workload on moderators just to satisfy peoples curiosity.


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    #47
    Brown Bomber
    Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    mike_ie wrote: »
    There's already a huge amount of discussion on this, or variations thereof - the most recent thread being here. And the answer inevitably comes back to:

    If you have reported a post, then you've done your part, it's not your problem anymore. Now trust in the moderators to do their part, and review it accordingly. And the chances of a RP going unnoticed is small - each forum has at least two moderators, and the reported posts also go to the CMods of the forum in question. Having a process in place where a moderator would have to PM each person who reports a post serves no purpose other than to place extra workload on moderators just to satisfy peoples curiosity.
    You've misunderstood me.


    My suggestion wasn't to PM every reporter of a post but to CC in the reporter ONLY on occassions where a moderator has decided that rules have been breached but has opted to warn the infractor by PM.


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    #48
    Brown Bomber
    Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    The_Morrigan wrote: »
    Eh no....I've enough to be doing without having to faff about with sending pm's to people who report posts. Also remember that there could be multiple reports of a post, often times reports are made after the post has been dealt with.

    You get that mods are volunteers yeah?
    I had assumed that this volunteering was for the sake of the users and not for the shareholders.


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    #49
    The_Morrigan
    Moderators Posts: 9,368 ✭✭✭The_Morrigan


    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    I had assumed that this volunteering was for the sake of the users and not for the shareholders.

    And you think letting a person know who reported them by including them in a pm is good for the users?


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    #50
    kneemos
    Registered Users Posts: 20,409 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Most of the mods have little or nothing to do in fairness.
    Most of the mods in AH don't make an appearance from one end of the year to the next.
    Rarely if ever see a mod in other forums.


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    #51
    kneemos
    Registered Users Posts: 20,409 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    The_Morrigan wrote: »
    And you think letting a person know who reported them by including them in a pm is good for the users?

    Hope you're not suggesting mods would hold a grudge?


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    #52
    Tokyo
    Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,655 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tokyo


    kneemos wrote: »
    Most of the mods have little or nothing to do in fairness.
    Most of the mods in AH don't make an appearance from one end of the year to the next.
    Rarely if ever see a mod in other forums.


    I'm not sure if you are being purposefully obtuse or argumentative for the sake of it but:

    1. Every moderator here has real life obligations, be it work, family, etc. We contribute here in our spare time, and if I may say so, even taking the above into account, each moderator dedicates considerable time to the forum that they moderate.

    2. Out of curiosity I took a look at the moderator list for AH, and every person there is a regular contributor to the AH forum. Additionally, just because moderators don't announce each moderator action, doesn't mean they don't moderate regularly.

    3. Which forums do you speak of?


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    #53
    The_Morrigan
    Moderators Posts: 9,368 ✭✭✭The_Morrigan


    kneemos wrote: »
    Hope you're not suggesting mods would hold a grudge?

    I'm talking about any user, not mods. If you are reporting a post in any forum and you expect every person who reported the post to be included in a sanction pm then this place will be destroyed.


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    #54
    kneemos
    Registered Users Posts: 20,409 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    mike_ie wrote: »
    I'm not sure if you are being purposefully obtuse or argumentative for the sake of it but:

    1. Every moderator here has real life obligations, be it work, family, etc. We contribute here in our spare time, and if I may say so, even taking the above into account, each moderator dedicates considerable time to the forum that they moderate.

    2. Out of curiosity I took a look at the moderator list for AH, and every person there is a regular contributor to the AH forum. Additionally, just because moderators don't announce each moderator action, doesn't mean they don't moderate regularly.

    3. Which forums do you speak of?


    Bargain Alerts.
    My local Forum
    AH.
    There's probably others I dip into.
    Only know what I see.One or two mods in AH do most of the work.


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    #55
    Brown Bomber
    Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    The_Morrigan wrote: »
    And you think letting a person know who reported them by including them in a pm is good for the users?
    No. What I think would be good for the users and by extension the mods and the site would be my suggestion, which involves virtually no extra work for the volunteers but potentially could save a lot of grief for them.


    If it appears to me that rules are ignored (based on apparent disregard for reported posts which are are in breach of these rules) then I am far more likely to breach these myself. This can set off a chain reaction where I do breach the rules, get infracted/banned, open up a helpdesk thread etc based on the apparent double-standards


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    #56
    The_Morrigan
    Moderators Posts: 9,368 ✭✭✭The_Morrigan


    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    No. What I think would be good for the users and by extension the mods and the site would be my suggestion, which involves virtually no extra work for the volunteers but potentially could save a lot of grief for them.


    If it appears to me that rules are ignored (based on apparent disregard for reported posts which are are in breach of these rules) then I am far more likely to breach these myself. This can set off a chain reaction where I do breach the rules, get infracted/banned, open up a helpdesk thread etc based on the apparent double-standards

    It involves a lot more work.

    I'm not going to write down every single person who reports the post and then try include them in a mass pm telling someone off. Nor am I going to send an individual pm to any person who reports a post after I've dealt with the post.

    Not to mention the confusion if two mods action a post at the same time, which I've managed to do with my co-mods on more than one occasion.


    To be honest, this reads like you are just looking for a loophole to break the rules.


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    #57
    GLaDOS
    Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 23,203 Mod ✭✭✭✭GLaDOS


    kneemos wrote: »
    Most of the mods in AH don't make an appearance from one end of the year to the next.

    A quick look at the posting stats for the 8(!) AH mods shows they all have at the very least around 1000 posts in AH, a few have close to 10,000. Not sure how you could reach the above conclusion.

    That's not counting the cmods who also chip in.

    AH mods are easily amongst the hardest working on the site.

    Cake, and grief counseling, will be available at the conclusion of the test



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    #58
    kneemos
    Registered Users Posts: 20,409 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    ScienceNerd wrote: »
    A quick look at the posting stats for the 8(!) AH mods shows they all have at the very least around 1000 posts in AH, a few have close to 10,000. Not sure how you could reach the above conclusion.

    That's not counting the cmods who also chip in.

    AH mods are easily amongst the hardest working on the site.

    We're talking about moderating Posting is their own businsess.

    Not really bothered one way or the other.Just an observation.


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    #59
    Tokyo
    Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,655 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tokyo


    kneemos wrote: »
    Bargain Alerts.
    My local Forum
    AH.
    There's probably others I dip into.
    Only know what I see.One or two mods in AH do most of the work.

    Not that I should answer for any other moderator here, but knowing just how much work they guys in AH put into modding there, I took a quick look and the most outstanding moderator action from a particular moderator was 4 days ago. The most recent, minutes ago. Just because you don't see it, don't mean it's not there.

    Because you can point to a quiet forum such as your local forum, doesn't set precedent for saying "Most of the mods have little or nothing to do in fairness", and as such have plenty of time to inform you of their reported posts, in fact most mods moderate multiple fora, not to mention the CMods who have a window on every forum in their particular category.

    As has been stated countless times, if you see a post that you think is worth reporting, then report it. And let the moderators and CMods make their best judgement on it as to how to deal with it, if it is indeed actionable. To be honest I can't get my head around the insistence that certain posters have that moderators report each and every action on a reported post to them, other than to use it as yet another stick to engage in whataboutery in, and to beat moderators over the head with should they not agree with the action taken.


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    #60
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 75,381 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    ScienceNerd wrote: »
    AH mods are easily amongst the hardest working on the site.
    I have little doubt over this. What non-mods perhaps do not appreciate is how much discussion takes place behind the scenes. I can see at the CMod level a lot of discussion within the CMods forum on AH matters for example. I have no idea how much that is supplemented by discussion within the AH Mods forum. I can speak about the Sports forums and the amount of discussion that takes place amongst mods there. Using my own stats as an example, my second highest post count is in the Cycling Mods forum, and after that it's the Soccer Mods forum (where I have 2 and a half times as many posts as I have in the CMods forum). My posts in the Dispute Resolution forum don't show up in the stats, but I reckon quite a substantial part of my time on Boards nowadays is spent on modding matters


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    #61
    Penny Tration
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,687 ✭✭✭✭Penny Tration


    kneemos wrote: »
    Bargain Alerts.
    My local Forum
    AH.
    There's probably others I dip into.
    Only know what I see.One or two mods in AH do most of the work.

    In the past week, I've seen moderation in AH from kersplat, whoopsa, humanji, micky and liz. All of the AH mods are ridiculously active.


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