Reporting Mods.

kneemos

Would it be fair when a mod is reported any action or not is made public to ensure there is no favouritism?

Quazzie

kneemos wrote: »

Would it be fair when a mod is reported any action or not is made public to ensure there is no favouritism?

A Mod should receive the same treatment as other users. So to answer your question it would not be fair when a mod is reported any action or not is made public, as that's not what happens to "normal" users.

Timberrrrrrrr

kneemos wrote: »

Would it be fair when a mod is reported any action or not is made public to ensure there is no favouritism?

Depends on

Would it be fair when a poster is reported any action or not is made public to ensure there is no favouritism?

They are after all posters too, if you are going to name and shame one then you have to name and shame all "to ensure there is no favouritism" right?

Celly Smunt

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Depends on



They are after all posters too, if you are going to name and shame one then you have to name and shame all "to ensure there is no favouritism" right?

most mods in my experience will name and shame.

The Hill Billy

Mods are, first & foremost, regular posters. If you report a post made by a poster who happens to be a moderator - It should be treated the same as any other reported post.

If you feel that there is bias in favour if the mod you should contact the CMods of the forum in which you think the mod is getting away with something that they shouldn't.

If you are not satisfied with that - start a thread in Help Desk.

kneemos

The Hill Billy wrote: »

Mods are, first & foremost, regular posters. If you report a post made by a poster who happens to be a moderator - big dea. It should be treated the same as any other reported post. If you feel that there is bias in favour if the mod you should contact the CMods of the forum in which you think the mod is getting away with something that they shouldn't.

If you are not satisfied with that - start a thread in Help Desk.

How would I know if there was bias or not?

The Hill Billy

Up to you really. If you have a specific concern about a mod, use your head & take one of the suggested actions.

kneemos

The Hill Billy wrote: »

Up to you really. If you have a specific concern about a mod, use your head & take one of the suggested actions.

Can't do anything without evidence.

Into The Blue

kneemos wrote: »

Can't do anything without evidence.

you're basing your opinion on what you've read on here, so you could copy and paste the unsanctioned reported posts into your help desk thread.

kneemos

Into The Blue wrote: »

you're basing your opinion on what you've read on here, so you could copy and paste the unsanctioned reported posts into your help desk thread.

How do I know it's unsanctioned?

Into The Blue

kneemos wrote: »

How do I know it's unsanctioned?

Yellow or red card shows beside the reported post if sanctioned.

The_Morrigan

Into The Blue wrote: »

Yellow or red card shows beside the reported post.

Not always. Sometimes sanctions are not visible.

Into The Blue

The_Morrigan wrote: »

Not always. Sometimes sanctions are not visible.

I'm guessing the op is on about posts that would warrant a card.

Timberrrrrrrr

Into The Blue wrote: »

I'm guessing the op is on about posts that would warrant a card.

Sometimes you get a pm/friendly warning telling you not to be a dick/stop acting like a dick (as i did last week) would you not consider that as "sanctioned"?

The_Morrigan

Into The Blue wrote: »

I'm guessing the op is on about posts that would warrant a card.

Some posts warrant a forum ban, which isn't visible. Mods may also send a pm asking the poster to pull up their socks.

Liam McPoyle

In a past life when I was a mod I got a couple of cards/warnings.

I think most mods know when they cross a line and take it on the chin.

I certainly (and Id be confident that pretty much every other mod would be exactly the same) didn't hold a grudge to any reporter or anything of the sort.

If you think a mod is abusing their powers OP then dont be afraid to PM one of the admins. Reports of shenanigans are always taken extremely seriously.

Into The Blue

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Sometimes you get a pm/friendly warning telling you not to be a dick/stop acting like a dick (as i did last week) would you not consider that as "sanctioned"?

No.

P. Breathnach

The_Morrigan wrote: »

Some posts warrant a forum ban, which isn't visible. Mods may also send a pm asking the poster to pull up their socks.

Many mods choose to make it visible, either by editing the information into the offending post (or the latest in the series of offending posts) or in a separate post.

I think that is good practice, as it assures other users that bad behaviour has consequences.

The_Morrigan

P. Breathnach wrote: »

Many mods choose to make it visible, either by editing the information into the offending post (or the latest in the series of offending posts) or in a separate post.

I think that is good practice, as it assures other users that bad behaviour has consequences.

That is not always possible, sometimes you end up removing multiple posts and just stopping the bad behaviour from derailing a whole thread. So while an on thread mod warning may be visible, it could be generic and not aimed at a particular reported post.

Timberrrrrrrr

Into The Blue wrote: »

No.

So you think a note should be added stating a post had been sanctioned? How much work do you reckon that would add onto a mods day? In fact it would probably cause mods to leave.

Tokyo

Into The Blue wrote: »

No.

Care to elaborate?

Tombi!

What point would it serve?

Mods get carded/warned all the time and they get the appeals denied at DRP too.

Well, not all the time. But they're certainly not some immune species to being carded

The Hill Billy

kneemos wrote: »

Can't do anything without evidence.

So, all you have is a hunch & no evidence of an issue or wrongdoing? Yet you ask if boards would change its rules regarding visibility of actions on reported posts where the poster happens to be a mod...?

Seriously, if you think that it is such an issue - PM a CMod or start a thread in HelpDesk.

kneemos

The Hill Billy wrote: »

So, all you have is a hunch & no evidence of an issue or wrongdoing? Yet you ask if boards would change its rules regarding visibility of actions on reported posts where the poster happens to be a mod...?

Seriously, if you think that it is such an issue - PM a CMod or start a thread in HelpDesk.

Don't have a hunch nor did I ask anybody to change any rules.
It's Feedback.I made a suggestion.

Steady yourself.

Into The Blue

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

So you think a note should be added stating a post had been sanctioned? How much work do you reckon that would add onto a mods day? In fact it would probably cause mods to leave.

I didn't say that. You asked me a direct question, and I answered it directly.

Timberrrrrrrr

Into The Blue wrote: »

I didn't say that. You asked me a direct question, and I answered it directly.

So that's another no then?

Into The Blue

mike_ie wrote: »

Care to elaborate?

That was an answer to a question asked. Do I think a friendly pm from a mod could be classed as a sanction.

Into The Blue

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

So that's another no then?

Yes.

Timberrrrrrrr

Into The Blue wrote: »

Yes.

Well it's impossible to debate with someone who chooses to give one word answers so i'll leave you go on your merry way.

Into The Blue

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Well it's impossible to debate with someone who chooses to give one word answers so i'll leave you go on your merry way.

I'm not deliberately being short, is more that my answer covered my point of view on "friendly PM's from mods" not being considered a sanction. No offence intended.

Laura Palmer

I was a mod in a past Boards life and I even got banned, not just infracted (numerous times).

Into The Blue

The_Morrigan wrote: »

Some posts warrant a forum ban, which isn't visible.

Cheers for that, I thought a card would be associated with the offending post.

I wonder would making it public help fellow posters learn from others mistakes?

The_Morrigan

Into The Blue wrote: »

Cheers for that, I thought a card would be associated with the offending post.

I wonder would making it public help fellow posters learn from others mistakes?

Nope, an action could be based on one post or multiple posts or the general behaviour of a poster to date in that forum. It's not always an exact science.

Harold Finchs Machine

Business Cat wrote: »

I certainly (and Id be confident that pretty much every other mod would be exactly the same) didn't hold a grudge to any reporter or anything of the sort.

If you think a mod is abusing their powers OP then dont be afraid to PM one of the admins. Reports of shenanigans are always taken extremely seriously.

Didnt some mod have a fit awhile back when he saw a reported post about him and cause hassle for the reporter?

Youd want those reports going to the cmods instead of reported posts forum.

KERSPLAT!

Harold Finchs Machine wrote: »

Didnt some mod have a fit awhile back when he saw a reported post about him and cause hassle for the reporter?

Youd want those reports going to the cmods instead of reported posts forum.

Any links to this?

Lovely Bloke

KERSPLAT! wrote: »

Any links to this?

if it happened in the mod forum then he can hardly link it.

either he's an ex-mod or knows a mod who showed him the mod forums, which isn't all that surprising. It's next to impossible to live with or be married to someone who's a mod and not sometimes see the mod forums.

Same goes for people who are living with or married to CMods or even Admins and Staff - those people have access to forums that "lower" ranked people don't, but if anyone thinks they are "secret" or uber safe, then think again.

I know for sure of at least one "normal user" who was able to read the mod forum. I have a fair idea of other people using a partners account to access parts of the site that they shouldn't be, and even carrying the duties of the (say) CMod, under the CMod's name, when the CMod is demonstrably at a location where it would be impossible for them to be carrying out those tasks.

Nody

RopeDrink wrote: »

Either that, or someone forgot to send me mine after all these years :pac:

They were waiting for you in room 10A, green corridor, third floor...

Baldy Conscience wrote: »

if it happened in the mod forum then he can hardly link it.

But by definition if I was out for a Vendetta against a user the last place I'd put it would be the Moderator forum because there are another 600+ Moderators there to call me up on being a Muppet (and the Cmods and Admins to check exactly what I've done, what infractions/bans etc.) and are used to look for such activity. Hence the chances that a Moderator with a vendetta (in any form) would make a post about it are minimal so why would the lack of access to said forum in any form be relating to sharing information on said incident (and if it happened a simple PM to the relevant CMod would most likely get things sorted rather quickly).

Mrs OBumble

Harold Finchs Machine wrote: »

Didnt some mod have a fit awhile back when he saw a reported post about him and cause hassle for the reporter?

Youd want those reports going to the cmods instead of reported posts forum.

Dunno about anyone else, but I have a very strict personal rule of only ever reading about the forums I mod in the Reported Posts forum. I made an exception once when a mod from another forum asked me to respond to a report that someone had made. But that would be the only reason.

Because - I know from the forum that I mod that people report posts for all sorts of reasons, many justified, but some not.

A Fupping Rat

KERSPLAT! wrote: »

Any links to this?

It's mentioned in this Thread. Ya'd find it from there if you really wanted it.

boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056447653

KERSPLAT!

There's no posts about a mod having a fit in that thread, that I can see anyway.

A Fupping Rat

KERSPLAT! wrote: »

There's no posts about a mod having a fit in that thread, that I can see anyway.

No, it's mentioned in it.

A Fupping Rat

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Brown Bomber

When a PM is sent to a mod/user based on a reported post asking them to tone it down or whatever would it be an idea to -- as a rule --- cc in the reporter of the post?






It's quite frustrating when you know rules have been breached, especially when it's by a mod (who should know better) and for all intents and purposed it looks like you are being ignored.

Tokyo

A Fupping Rat wrote: »

It's mentioned in this Thread. Ya'd find it from there if you really wanted it.

boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056447653

Definitely worth highlighting the important part of that quote:

LoLth wrote: »

In all the time I've been on boards I think I can remember one incident where a mod abused their access to reported posts and that mod did not remain a mod after that.

The_Morrigan

Brown Bomber wrote: »

When a PM is sent to a mod/user based on a reported post asking them to tone it down or whatever would it be an idea to -- as a rule --- cc in the reporter of the post?




It's quite frustrating when you know rules have been breached, especially when it's by a mod (who should know better) and for all intents and purposed it looks like you are being ignored.

Eh no....I've enough to be doing without having to faff about with sending pm's to people who report posts. Also remember that there could be multiple reports of a post, often times reports are made after the post has been dealt with.

You get that mods are volunteers yeah?

Tokyo

Brown Bomber wrote: »

When a PM is sent to a mod/user based on a reported post asking them to tone it down or whatever would it be an idea to -- as a rule --- cc in the reporter of the post?

It's quite frustrating when you know rules have been breached, especially when it's by a mod (who should know better) and for all intents and purposed it looks like you are being ignored.

There's already a huge amount of discussion on this, or variations thereof - the most recent thread being here. And the answer inevitably comes back to:

If you have reported a post, then you've done your part, it's not your problem anymore. Now trust in the moderators to do their part, and review it accordingly. And the chances of a RP going unnoticed is small - each forum has at least two moderators, and the reported posts also go to the CMods of the forum in question. Having a process in place where a moderator would have to PM each person who reports a post serves no purpose other than to place extra workload on moderators just to satisfy peoples curiosity.

Brown Bomber

mike_ie wrote: »

There's already a huge amount of discussion on this, or variations thereof - the most recent thread being here. And the answer inevitably comes back to:

If you have reported a post, then you've done your part, it's not your problem anymore. Now trust in the moderators to do their part, and review it accordingly. And the chances of a RP going unnoticed is small - each forum has at least two moderators, and the reported posts also go to the CMods of the forum in question. Having a process in place where a moderator would have to PM each person who reports a post serves no purpose other than to place extra workload on moderators just to satisfy peoples curiosity.

You've misunderstood me.


My suggestion wasn't to PM every reporter of a post but to CC in the reporter ONLY on occassions where a moderator has decided that rules have been breached but has opted to warn the infractor by PM.

Brown Bomber

The_Morrigan wrote: »

Eh no....I've enough to be doing without having to faff about with sending pm's to people who report posts. Also remember that there could be multiple reports of a post, often times reports are made after the post has been dealt with.

You get that mods are volunteers yeah?

I had assumed that this volunteering was for the sake of the users and not for the shareholders.

The_Morrigan

Brown Bomber wrote: »

I had assumed that this volunteering was for the sake of the users and not for the shareholders.

And you think letting a person know who reported them by including them in a pm is good for the users?

kneemos

Most of the mods have little or nothing to do in fairness.
Most of the mods in AH don't make an appearance from one end of the year to the next.
Rarely if ever see a mod in other forums.

kneemos

The_Morrigan wrote: »

And you think letting a person know who reported them by including them in a pm is good for the users?

Hope you're not suggesting mods would hold a grudge?