Water meter installation area's?

Steve012

Hey folks, does anyone have info, on where and what area's will IW be installing meters on a day to day basis?.
Is there any info online, couldn't find any!.
Greatly appreciated if anyone has a list of area's of forthcoming work.
I live near Bray, they haven't been here yet..

Iwasfrozen

Steve012 wrote: »

Hey folks, does anyone have info, on where and what area's will IW be installing meters on a day to day basis?.
Is there any info online, couldn't find any!.
Greatly appreciated if anyone has a list of area's of forthcoming work.
I live near Bray, they haven't been here yet..

I would imagine they're trying to keep that confidential so they can get a head start before the protesters follow them.

Steve012

Would seem logical from their point of view alright!, guess its prob a case of waiting to see the van's roll in..
Handy to know in advance though.

Godge

Steve012 wrote: »

Would seem logical from their point of view alright!, guess its prob a case of waiting to see the van's roll in..
Handy to know in advance though.

They leaflet the area to let people know about potential disruption from digging up pavements etc.

Gives the career protestors time to get there.

Alun

Steve012 wrote: »

I live near Bray, they haven't been here yet..

They're currently busy all over the place in Bray at the moment, and have been for months.

Steve012

"Career protesters", have helped in many area's of Dublin (using the word help because who don't want the meter's until the leaks and water quality is fixed). I am not one myself, I have a day job, like most people in my area we don't want a meter! simple's.

Thank Alun, won't be long so!, My meter is 3/4 way into the actual property, when 7ft gates are closed, they have access to 1/4 of the original uisce lid.
Does anyone know or been in similar situation that this has happened?.

Alun

I don't want anyone 'helping' me to avoid getting a meter thanks, so if any of those career protesters come anywhere near my house they'll be told where to go.

SeanF

Steve012 wrote: »

"Career protesters", have helped in many area's of Dublin (using the word help because who don't want the meter's until the leaks and water quality is fixed). I am not one myself, I have a day job, like most people in my area we don't want a meter! simple's.

You are aware that one of the reasons for the water meters is to identify the areas that require fixing? You are aware of that?

Also, apostrophes signify ownership, not plurality.

renegademaster

SeanF wrote: »

You are aware that one of the reasons for the water meters is to identify the areas that require fixing? You are aware of that?

Also, apostrophes signify ownership, not plurality.

lolz!!

SeanF

renegademaster wrote: »

lolz!!

From the Irish Water website:
"Improving water conservation
Your meter will record how much water has been supplied to your home, allowing you to minimise your impact on the environment. Reduced water consumption will help combat climate change and ensure greater security of supply in areas where there are deficits."

In other words, assuming you're a defender of environmental issues, surely you should be protesting in favour of water meters?

seamus

Steve012 wrote: »

Thank Alun, won't be long so!, My meter is 3/4 way into the actual property, when 7ft gates are closed, they have access to 1/4 of the original uisce lid.
Does anyone know or been in similar situation that this has happened?.

If you don't let them access it, I'm pretty sure they'll just install a new one outside the property.

Steve012

SeanF wrote: »

You are aware that one of the reasons for the water meters is to identify the areas that require fixing? You are aware of that?

Also, apostrophes signify ownership, not plurality.

lol.. very good.
They don't need meter's to identify leaks!
Do you work for IW Seany?

Godge

Steve012 wrote: »

lol.. very good.
They don't need meter's to identify leaks!
Do you work for IW Seany?

http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/1105/657103-water-meters-court/

You will have to stay 20 metres away from them.

Steve012

Godge wrote: »

http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/1105/657103-water-meters-court/

You will have to stay 20 metres away from them.

Cheers Godge, more intimidation!.. my stop cock is 3/4 way in my property. A car is parked over it.. wonder will they get the car removed from the driveway by a road rescue vehicle. Tbh I wouldn't be surprised ..

Thanks for the legal update, didn't see that on the news!

Godge

Steve012 wrote: »

Cheers Godge, more intimidation!.. my stop cock is 3/4 way in my property. A car is parked over it.. wonder will they get the car removed from the driveway by a road rescue vehicle. Tbh I wouldn't be surprised ..

Thanks for the legal update, didn't see that on the news!

Eh, less intimidation.

The ones doing their job as they are legally entitled to do are the installers. Those ordinary workers are now less likely to face intimidation, being spitted on, abused etc.

Alun

Steve012 wrote: »

lol.. very good.
They don't need meter's to identify leaks!
Do you work for IW Seany?

Unless the water is literally bubbling up out of the ground, how else can they know where to look? Many leaks go unnoticed for years, until something, often the road, collapses into a hole in the ground where the escaping water has eroded the underlying soil away.

In this case, the meters can provide useful information that can point them to where possible leaks may be. If they have one of their own flow meters on a water pipe feeding a number of houses, and it reads X m3, and the sum of all the readings on the household meters comes to Y m3, and X > Y, then X-Y m3 has gone missing somewhere.

I seem to remember they used this technique somewhere (Dun Laoghaire?) where they were trialling the meters to discover some hitherto undiscovered, and quite major, leaks.

And no, I don't work for IW either before you ask.

Steve012

Godge wrote: »

Eh, less intimidation.

The ones doing their job as they are legally entitled to do are the installers. Those ordinary workers are now less likely to face intimidation, being spitted on, abused etc.

Intimidation from the Government I meant, yes the lads are doing a days work. I feel sorry for them. Its not a job I would do, and I am in the building sector..

Steve012

There is many a point here re Irish water and it's predecessors The council.
Lots of people I know do not use their water from tap for drinking. Far too much fluoride/chlorine in the water to begin with.
We are working on construction in Clontarf at the moment, and the water coming into the house's, tastes like it came partly from a public swimming pool.
Hard water etc.. Drogheda, Dundalk e.g, not fit for consumption purpose.

I know folks that shower and use the toilet with water coming from mains that's it.. and without consent of contract, they are having meter's forced onto the properties boundaries..!?
Bord Uisce know where the majority of leaks are. We have 3 plumbers in our crew 2 are old school, they have worked with an bord usice in their time.
Why pay for defected product? e.g If one's broadband is not up to scratch one changes to a different provider, only a fool would stick with the same inconsistent service..
I know by living near Bray, eircom's broadband was so poor here, they didn't charge us while work's were being done to upgrade the line from Bray.

I believe same principle should apply. No? So should we just accept this?

Autonomous

Why not mount an ongoing protest at Irish Water offices?

Ogham

Steve012 wrote: »

Cheers Godge, more intimidation!.. my stop cock is 3/4 way in my property. A car is parked over it.. wonder will they get the car removed from the driveway by a road rescue vehicle. Tbh I wouldn't be surprised ..

Thanks for the legal update, didn't see that on the news!

IW aren't installing meters where the stopcock is on private land (yet). Maybe in a couple of years if they are still around?

SeanF

Steve012 wrote: »

Do you work for IW Seany?

No I don't work for Irish Water.

Steve012 wrote: »

lol.. very good. They don't need meter's to identify leaks!

This comment is so wrong. Like Alun said, one of the reasons for meters (see, no aprostophe) is to identify the problem areas in the system. In Dublin alone, it's estimated that 80 million litres leak from the system *every single day*. The meters will help to identify where this is happening. If you believed in environmental issues and water conservation, you'd support the installation of meters for this reason at least.

Jolly Red Giant

IW installers were forced to leave Roundwood and Sean Heuston Place in Limerick today without installing meters following protests by local residents assisted by activists in the Anti-Austerity Alliance.

Jolly Red Giant

SeanF wrote: »

This comment is so wrong. Like Alun said, one of the reasons for meters (see, no aprostophe) is to identify the problem areas in the system. In Dublin alone, it's estimated that 80 million litres leak from the system *every single day*. The meters will help to identify where this is happening. If you believed in environmental issues and water conservation, you'd support the installation of meters for this reason at least.

This is nonsense - 48% of the water is being lost through leaks on the main pipe network, not between the pavement and someone's house. The government have wasted more than €500million on installing water meters and a further €100million setting up the Irish Water quango when that money could have been spent on repairing some of the leaks on the pipe network.

The meters are being installed to facilitate the imposition of charges and the future privatisation of water in this country. It has nothing to do with conservation in the same way that the bin tax was to facilitate the privatisation of bin collection with the result that councils are now paying out millions every year cleaning up illegal dumps that private gangsters are using to dump rubbish that they are being paid to remove.

Jolly Red Giant

Jolly Red Giant wrote: »

IW installers were forced to leave Roundwood and Sean Heuston Place in Limerick today without installing meters following protests by local residents assisted by activists in the Anti-Austerity Alliance.

Why do they need assistance from AAA? Are they incapable of thinking for themselves?

Steve012

SeanF wrote: »

No I don't work for Irish Water.


This comment is so wrong. Like Alun said, one of the reasons for meters (see, no aprostophe) is to identify the problem areas in the system. In Dublin alone, it's estimated that 80 million litres leak from the system *every single day*. The meters will help to identify where this is happening. If you believed in environmental issues and water conservation, you'd support the installation of meters for this reason at least.

an bord uisce know where roughly 65% the leaks are.

Cedrus

Steve012 wrote: »

.............................. and without consent of contract, they are having meter's forced onto the properties boundaries..!?...........................

Freemen thread That way >>>>

Jolly Red Giant

Deleted User wrote: »

Why do they need assistance from AAA? Are they incapable of thinking for themselves?

The Anti-Austerity Alliance stand shoulder to shoulder will any community opposing water meters and water charges in whatever way possible - in this case by mobilising activists and supporters to join the protest. The bigger the numbers the easier it is to face down IW and the cops.

Jolly Red Giant

Jolly Red Giant wrote: »

The Anti-Austerity Alliance stand shoulder to shoulder will any community opposing water meters and water charges in whatever way possible - in this case by mobilising activists and supporters to join the protest. The bigger the numbers the easier it is to face down IW and the cops.

And this has NOTHING to do with the 2016 General election? God Bless your innocence!

Yes, the bigger the number of outsiders the bigger the intimidation, to honest workers and residents alike.

Alun

Steve012 wrote: »

an bord uisce know where roughly 65% the leaks are.

Do they? Source?

Steve012

Alun wrote: »

Do they? Source?

Ex Bord Uisce employees,

Ogham

Steve012 wrote: »

Ex Bord Uisce employees,

Do they know exactly where they are to the nearest few feet - or just what general area has the leaks ?

Steve012

Close enough to where the leaks are yes, from what I've been told.
It's much more from the main pipes, not as much in housing estates. Old lead piping throughout Dublin city, for e.g.
They've known about it for decades. Shame on previous governments not addressing this issue fully.
Fix the infrastructure first, then come back to the people.

Jolly Red Giant

Ogham wrote: »

IW aren't installing meters where the stopcock is on private land (yet). Maybe in a couple of years if they are still around?

Just spotted this - yes Irish Water have been installing meters in people's driveways (on private property) and have been doing so with the assistance of the Gardai.

Alun

Steve012 wrote: »

Close enough to where the leaks are yes, from what I've been told.

What information are they basing this opinion on exactly?

Steve012

Alun wrote: »

What information are they basing this opinion on exactly?

They are (exactly) basing their opinion on the fact that they've worked for an bord usice for years. And are aware of where the leaks are.

Alun

Steve012 wrote: »

They are (exactly) basing their opinion on the fact that they've worked for an bord usice for years. And are aware of where the leaks are.

You don't know in other words.

Steve012

Alun wrote: »

You don't know in other words.

I haven't worked for an bord uisce the 2 guys that work with me have.
So theoretically I personally don't know my friend your right!. But believe me these chaps do and so does an bord usice.

Timberrrrrrrr

Steve012 wrote: »

I haven't worked for an bord uisce the 2 guys that work with me have.
So theoretically I personally don't know my friend your right!. But believe me these chaps do and so does an bord usice.

Ah yes


the old "A friend of a friend" defense :rolleyes:

alastair

Steve012 wrote: »

They are (exactly) basing their opinion on the fact that they've worked for an bord usice for years. And are aware of where the leaks are.

Bord Uisce isn't years old. It isn't even a year old.

Steve012

alastair wrote: »

Bord Uisce isn't years old. It isn't even a year old.

Irish water isn't no. That was the old council name for the service.

alastair

Steve012 wrote: »

Irish water isn't no. That was the old council name for the service.

No it wasn't. Each of the local authorities had their own water services - there was no bord uisce.

ReefBreak

Steve012 wrote: »

Fix the infrastructure first, then come back to the people.

It's almost like most of the anti-water brigade just don't understand basic economics. To fix the infrastructure is an investment of billions of euros. It's exactly why they've had to bring in water charges.

BoJack Horseman

ReefBreak wrote: »

It's almost like most of the anti-water brigade just don't understand basic economics. To fix the infrastructure is an investment of billions of euros. It's exactly why they've had to bring in water charges.

A circular anti-logic which goes to the core of Ireland's infrastructure deficit.

Godge

Steve012 wrote: »

Irish water isn't no. That was the old council name for the service.

Where did you get that idea from?

Bord Uisce is the Irish for Irish Water and is only set-up just over a year.

If your "mates" were working for years for Bord Uisce, who was paying them because it didn't exist?

Tabnabs

Two separate points I've heard raised in the media on this topic;

from an engineering point of view, it would be perfectly acceptable to install a single meter to cover a block of houses in an average urban and suburban layout. Easier to check fewer meters for signs of leak and far cheaper to install a tiny fraction of the current requirement.

Currently the State spends €1.2b annually on water infrastructure. With the introduction of IW and the proposed revenue they will generate, has the €1.2b reduction in Government spending been accounted for and why would this not be used to reduce any burden on the individual who has to pay the new water tax?

Ogham

Godge wrote: »

Where did you get that idea from?

Bord Uisce is the Irish for Irish Water and is only set-up just over a year.

If your "mates" were working for years for Bord Uisce, who was paying them because it didn't exist?

No such name as Bord Uisce. It's Irish Water or Uisce Eireann. Nothing else.

BoJack Horseman

Tabnabs wrote: »

Currently the State spends €1.2b annually on water infrastructure. With the introduction of IW and the proposed revenue they will generate, has the €1.2b reduction in Government spending been accounted for and why would this not be used to reduce any burden on the individual who has to pay the new water tax?

The 1.2 bn spent covers everything.
Of that about 260m is spent on upgrade/repairs.

IW won't be able to match that 1.2bn in revenue, not close.there will always be a shortfall requiring central funding.

The reduction of central funding was mostly nullified by IW startup costs.

You will notice an income tax reduction in January.

Cedrus

Steve012 wrote: »

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It's much more from the main pipes, not as much in housing estates. Old lead piping throughout Dublin city, for e.g. ................................

Yet another specious claim, lead was not used for mains, it was far too expensive, Wood, clay, cement, cement lined ductile iron, Galvanised steel, and now HDPE have been the material of the mains pipes. Lead was used extensively for the runs into houses up to the 1960's(maybe even 70's?). Older houses would have been completely piped in lead, but most if not all was ripped out when the dangers of lead were better understood, however many retrofitters didn't bother with the last link that would have meant digging down and gouging at the foundations, so left a couple of metres of lead pipe.

mikemac1

Ogham wrote: »

No such name as Bord Uisce. It's Irish Water or Uisce Eireann. Nothing else.

Bord Failte became Failte Ireland over a decade ago and people still use the old name

If people use Bord Uisce it may be wrong but it'll soon get picked up

amber2

Got a leaflet on Friday in the letterbox stating that meters are being installed in our area from Monday on or within three days of the 24/11/ listing the do's and dont's of using certain appliances during this time. So went out this morning only to find that the meter was in fact installed Friday and is up to 160 litres already so has been in there for some days. So why give a signed leaflet to residents giving an instillation date at all. Is this fitted illegally. Rang irish water as as usual they have no idea why this would happen.

Timberrrrrrrr

amber2 wrote: »

Got a leaflet on Friday in the letterbox stating that meters are being installed in our area from Monday on or within three days of the 24/11/ listing the do's and dont's of using certain appliances during this time. So went out this morning only to find that the meter was in fact installed Friday and is up to 160 litres already so has been in there for some days. So why give a signed leaflet to residents giving an instillation date at all. Is this fitted illegally. Rang irish water as as usual they have no idea why this would happen.

Why would it have been fitted "illegally"?