Poppy

Lapin

Yes its that time again and the yearly discussion on the topic is now something of an annual tradition here on Boards. The focus of the commemoration this year will centre on the First World War to mark the centenary of the outbreak, although all those who died in all wars will be remembered.

No doubt the usual thanks whoring will come in the posts that follow with ccomments like 'oh for fcuk's sake, not again' or I am disappoint OP, I was hoping for a thread on heroin cultivation.

These are often followed by comments from the true gael 800 years of misery and woe brigade who try and convince us that anyone who remembers the war dead of 1914-18 must be a traitor who cannot possibly be a true Irish person.

Thankfully however, for a good part of previous threads, there are many comments that recognise the sacrifice and loss of almost 50,000 Irish men and women in the Great War.

This year's commemoration has added signifigance for Ireland as the Irish Ambassador will for the first time, lay a wreath at the Cenotaph in Whitehall on our behalf. This follows a visit late last year by An Taoiseach and the British Prime Minister as equals to the war graves of Irishmen and Britishmen in Flanders and their attendance at the nightly Last Post Ceremony at the Menin Gate.
Following the state visit by President Higgins to the UK earlier this year, ties between the two nations have never been closer and there is now an undoubted acceptance and reognintion of the losses of Irish men and women by governments and people on both sides of the Irish Sea.

For decades wearing the poppy was seen as a badge of shame and treachery in Ireland, but this wasn't always the case. Back in the 1920's after independence many thousands attended parades and ceremonies here to remember those who died for them less than a deade before. In 1926 some 40,000 people gathered in the Phoenix Park to pay their respect. More on that here.

Nobody expects or demands a return to such high profile displays of commemoration in 2014 Ireland and I suspect that those who lost their lives in WWI wouldn't want such fuss either. All they would ask, whether you wear a poppy or not, is that you take a brief moment on the 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month - to remember them.

recylingbin

FFS!
Buy one or don't buy one. Make your own mind up.

The Moldy Gowl

Oh for fcuks sake, not again.

El Weirdo

And so it begins...

The Moldy Gowl

I am disappoint, OP. I was hoping for a thread in heroin cultivation.

The Backwards Man

Why start a thread if you know verbatim how it will turn out?

My name is URL

No doubt the usual thanks whoring will come in the posts that follow with ccomments like 'oh for fcuk's sake, not again' or I am disappoint OP

Hopefully it'll just be closed or moved to politics this time round

The_Valeyard

We can remember In our own way. No need to follow the britsh way of mass conforming.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Don't we have a poppy forum?

AudreyHepburn

From a post I made in another thread;

I feel a particular connection to WWI because my great-grandfather (maternal Grandfather's father) fought during the Battle of Ypres ( a little town in Belgium) in 1914 as part of the Royal Field Artillery. He was a gunner and suffered a shrapnel wound to the leg which in a sort of twisted way proved lucky because although he lost his leg it meant he made it home.

We recently went as a family, including my grandfather and grandmother, to Ypres and toured some of the battlegrounds, as well as the unbelievable number of war graves and some preserved Allied and German trenches and it was one of the most meaningful and eye opening trips I've ever been on, added to by the fact that we were there 100 years to the day when my great-grandfather would have gone to battle there.

We are also lucky enough to still have his medals as well as various discharge papers and other documents relating to his time in the army.

I am all for wearing the poppy and for remembrance.

It's not about not being truly Irish or ignoring or worse accepting what was done to this country over 800 years of occupation.

It's about remembering the millions of young men who gave their lives for a common cause and endured the horror of the trenches for a war which none of them probably wanted or agreed with.

Of course I think particularly of the Irish men who fought and died but I'm sure the poppy represents different regiments and countries to different people.

paulieG89

Nobody died for me !!

They died for themselves and their families. My own view is (god be good) may anybody that fought against the Germans in either war burn in the deepest depths of hell.

Turtyturd

Do 'De Ingerlish' wear an Easter Lilly?


*rabble, rabble, rabble*

GAAman

I really enjoyed the preemptive condescension and general p*ssing over anyone's opinion that wasn't totally in line with the one expressed in the op.

Bravo :rolleyes:

The Moldy Gowl

paulieG89 wrote: »

Nobody died for me !!

They died for themselves and their families. My own view is (god be good) may anybody that fought against the Germans in either war burn in the deepest depths of hell.

Dafuq?

smash

Prepare yourselves for another shíte x-factor charity single... This in itself is more upsetting to me than a poppy.

My name is URL

GAAman wrote: »

I really enjoyed the condescension and general p*ssing over anyone's opinion that wasn't totally in line with the one expressed in the op.

Bravo :rolleyes:

At least they didn't threaten to shoot us.. as is the wont of some people in Engerland towards those who choose not to wear it

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2012/nov/18/sunderland-james-mcclean-death-threat

Timberrrrrrrr

Oh yay is it that time of the year, Poppy, Halloween, then you know you're close to xmas

solomafioso

6,280 results. :pac:

Lapin

paulieG89 wrote: »

Nobody died for me !!

They died for themselves and their families. My own view is (god be good) may anybody that fought against the Germans in either war burn in the deepest depths of hell.

You opened a new account to say this.

Do not feed.

The Backwards Man

Starting a poppy thread in AH is a lot like pouring a basin of water and fairy liquid in your lawn, all the crawlies of all varieties rise up.

The Moldy Gowl

Lapin wrote: »

You opened a new account to say this.

Do not feed.

I shall annoint you, the thread police.

Lapin

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

I shall annoint you, the thread police.

Well it doesn't take brains to work out what he's at in all fairness.

Nodin

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

I am disappoint, OP. I was hoping for a thread in heroin cultivation.

Afaik, we don't have the climate.

Celly Smunt

Both of my great grandfathers were fighting on opposite sides,what should I do?

EuskalHerria

Celly Smunt wrote: »

Both of my great grandfathers were fighting on opposite sides,what should I do?

Wear half a poppy. Then burn the other half, without a flicker of emotion on your face ideally.

The Moldy Gowl

LuvDneighbour wrote: »

Yup. Trains would be on time , filthy Jews wouldn't run the world and Ireland wouldn't be full of blacks, dirty animals would be hung, few kept as slave labour.

Thank god he took out a load of them before he was called to heaven.

LAPIN LAPIN, I found another

Tornaxx

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

I feel a particular connection to WWI because my great-grandfather (maternal Grandfather's father) fought during the Battle of Ypres ( a little town in Belgium) in 1914 as part of the Royal Field Artillery. He was a gunner and suffered a shrapnel wound to the leg which in a sort of twisted way proved lucky because although he lost his leg it meant he made it home.

We recently went as a family, including my grandfather and grandmother, to Ypres and toured some of the battlegrounds, as well as the unbelievable number of war graves and some preserved Allied and German trenches and it was one of the most meaningful and eye opening trips I've ever been on, added to by the fact that we were there 100 years to the day when my great-grandfather would have gone to battle there.

We are also lucky enough to still have his medals as well as various discharge papers and other documents relating to his time in the army.

My grandfather fought at Ypres too, with the Dublin Fusiliers. I think he was shot in the leg but made it home okay. Lived 'til he was 93.

Lapin

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

LAPIN LAPIN, I found another

Calm down Rex and have a bikkie.

How do you know he isn't giving a sarcastic response to the post he quoted?

You need to think before you speak son.

Beano

Turtyturd wrote: »

Do 'De Ingerlish' wear an Easter Lilly?


*rabble, rabble, rabble*

How many british citizens have died while serving in the irish defence forces?

KERSPLAT!

MOD

Fear not, the real thread police are here!!

*cops theme tune*




Gimmie a minute to sort stuff out

KERSPLAT!

MOD

OK, I wasn't here for the last one so I'll just give out a simple warning, keep the charter in mind and don't be a dick.

The Moldy Gowl

*swoon*

My hero.

cajonlardo

Heres an odd one for you.

Both my grandfather and grandmother were seriously active during the war of independence. My Grandmother's two brothers got an awful time of it during the sacking of Balbriggan. One of them was bayoneted several times and thought dead, he later escaped the town and went on the run. BUT my grandfather fought in both ww1 & 2 and was awarded the military cross in 2nd world war and he was fatally wounded in Africa. One of my uncles also died in combat and 2 more returned home and led productive lives after the war.

Now my grandmother, who had moved weapons around and delivered messages etc became a very complex person through the '50's and '60's. She was one of the very first Irish people to wear a poppy. Because she now lived in a town and among people who did not know her family and her history, she became a target for gob****es. She was spat at several times and verbally abused regularly. Never bothered her in the slightest and as far as I know she never opened her mouth to her tormentors. My father and his brothers could have shut these people up very quickly but she didn't allow it.
I still know people who hold it against her memory that she, in her grief,
wore a tiny red weed and it somehow helped her deal with the pain of losing her husband and her son. Not sure what else I can say, except maybe live and let live.

My name is URL

Remember folks, wearing a poppy isn't just a way to pay tribute to those that died in WW1.. but to all soldiers that served in the British forces

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/06/06/world/africa/uk-colonial-compensation/

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/10/05/kenyans-can-sue-uk-over-colonial-era-torture-rape-by-british-forces/

You won't see any romanticized BBC documentaries about what happened there

FTA69

Just to let ye know that's it's the tenth anniversary of me first saying on this site that the poppy is a load of triumphalist b*llocks.

Nodin

My name is URL wrote: »

Remember folks, wearing a poppy isn't just a way to pay tribute to those that died in WW1.. but to all soldiers that served in the British forces

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/06/06/world/africa/uk-colonial-compensation/

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/10/05/kenyans-can-sue-uk-over-colonial-era-torture-rape-by-british-forces/

You won't see any romanticized BBC documentaries about what happened there

or here
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/apr/09/malaya-massacre-villagers-coverup

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-20302280

http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2031992,00.html

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2004/may/17/military.iraq1

...to give but a few examples.

AudreyHepburn

Tornaxx wrote: »

My grandfather fought at Ypres too, with the Dublin Fusiliers. I think he was shot in the leg but made it home okay. Lived 'til he was 93.

My great-grandfather suffered a shrapnel would which became infected and it had to be amputated. I think a shell exploded near him.

Having been to Ypres and seen the trenches and the graves I think it's miracle anyone made it home. And I understand better than ever why remembrance is so important.

MadYaker

i thought this thread was going to be about heroin

Timberrrrrrrr

3 pages in and the whataboutery is flying :rolleyes:

The_Valeyard

Poppies for some, abortions for others?

statesaver

Was waiting for some gobshíte to start this theard.

Hopefully it dies a quick death

Sunnyisland

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Don't we have a poppy forum?

at this stage its a poppy acre...

My name is URL

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

3 pages in and the whataboutery is flying :rolleyes:

What a lazy counterargument that is.

Are people only allowed to remember the 'good' bits of history and pretend that nothing bad ever happened? I know that's how triumphalists and jingoists in britain like to rewrite history but it's not the case here.

Do you dispute that remembrance day is for all that fought for Britain and not just those that didn't torture, rape and oppress people?

Sunnyisland

anyway i have to go and catch a plane,see yis next week.







ya its a slow plane.

Timberrrrrrrr

paulieG89 wrote: »

Nobody died for me !!

They died for themselves and their families. My own view is (god be good) may anybody that fought against the Germans in either war burn in the deepest depths of hell.

My name is URL wrote: »

What a lazy counterargument that is.

Are people only allowed to remember the 'good' bits of history and pretend that nothing bad ever happened? I know that's how triumphalists and jingoists in britain like to rewrite history but it's not the case here.

Do you dispute that remembrance day is for all that fought for Britain and not just those that didn't torture, rape and oppress people?

Not in the least do i dispute it,

Do you dispute that the MAJORITY of soldiers who have served in the BA have served with dignity and great conduct?

Snickers Man

Oh FFS not again!!

But if you must......


Let's do a "Poppy Watch". See how many poppies you can count on people's tits in Irish streets over the next two weeks. Maybe even post photographs with times, dates and places. (NO FACES!!!!!!!) eg Grafton St, 30/Oct/14, 15:06.

I've been in Dublin centre already today. Total count so far: zero.

Expect regular updates.

My name is URL

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Not in the least do i dispute it,

Do you dispute that the MAJORITY of soldiers who have served in the BA have served with dignity and great conduct?

I think a blanket nationalistic day of remembrance is pretty disgusting when the countless cases of torture, rape and oppression are completely ignored while people and the media fawn over the likes of WW1, and grossly romanticise it all.

Why can't people just pay tribute to relatives in their own way without all the jingoistic and pseudo-historical bull**** attached?

Cantremember

Snickers Man wrote: »

Oh FFS not again!!

But if you must......


Let's do a "Poppy Watch". See how many poppies you can count on people's tits in Irish streets over the next two weeks. Maybe even post photographs with times, dates and places. (NO FACES!!!!!!!) eg Grafton St, 30/Oct/14, 15:06.

I've been in Dublin centre already today. Total count so far: zero.

Expect regular updates.

I see what you did there. Thinly veiled tit watching exercise.

Timberrrrrrrr

My name is URL wrote: »

I think a blanket nationalistic day of remembrance is pretty disgusting when the countless cases of torture, rape and oppression are completely ignored while people and the media fawn over the likes of WW1, and grossly romanticise it all.

So the deeds of the many should be brushed under the carpet and forgotten because of the deeds of a few?

FTA69

It's a million times worse here. You can't go for a sh*t in England for the next two odd months without someone trying to slap a poppy on you for the occasion.

The_Valeyard

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

So the deeds of the many should be brushed under the carpet and forgotten because of the deeds of a few?

leonard nimoy is cool.