'Upset' Stansted Security Staff reaction to Muslim quip. Careful what you say there.

Earl Turner

end of the road wrote: »

that wasn't the reason. they weren't going to simply jump in with no evidence just because foreign people were involved

So they weren't going to investigate because the perpetrators were foreign?

Wasn't the woman who first brought it to light told never to mention race and was sent on a sensitivity training course?

Yamanoto

the_syco wrote: »

Was the security guard muslim?

Unlikely that would be alluded to in any of the reports I'd imagine.

It's certainly the case in LHR that very many of the staff in both security & retail positions airside would be Muslim.

P. Breathnach

Frank Lee Midere wrote: »

So you keep saying. And yet the full force of the law was brought down upon a 75 year old who mentioned he didn't belong to a certain religion and a fair number of posters here, "liberals" all, feel that was a very good thing indeed, he had it coming.

What, if any, point are you making by describing a fair number of posters here as "liberals". In your mind, is "liberal" a pejorative label?

Can we describe those who take a position such as you have taken as being "illiberal"?

end of the road

Earl Turner wrote: »

So they weren't going to investigate because the perpetrators were foreign?

they weren't going to investigate without evidence. because you can't investigate without evidence. they weren't going to break that rule just because foreign people were involved just to suit people who are against foreigners

RobYourBuilder

end of the road wrote: »

that wasn't the reason. they weren't going to simply jump in with no evidence just because foreign people were involved

This f*cking guy. Do you actually believe what you type?

Top ranking staff ordered raids to delete and remove case files and evidence detailing the scale of Rotherham's child exploitation scandal, sources have revealed.

More than 10 years before the damning independent inquiry revealed sexual exploitation of 1,400 children in Rotherham a raid was carried out on the orders of senior staff to destroy evidence, it has been claimed.

In 2002 high profile personnel at Rotherham Council ordered a raid on Risky Business, Rotherham council’s specialist youth service, which offered one-to-one help and support to vulnerable teenage girls, ahead of the findings of a draft report, according to the Times.

The raid was to remove case files and wipe computer records detailing the scale and severity of the town’s sex-grooming crisis, sources toldThe Times.

It took place shortly after senior police and council staff became aware of the contents of the draft report of a 2000-01 research project that found evidence of a hidden child sex abuse scandal.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11062758/Scandal-hit-Rotherham-deleted-abuse-files.html

A researcher was sent on a diversity awareness course - and faced the sack - for raising the alarm about the appalling abuse of children in Rotherham and the fact most of the perpetrators were of Pakistani descent, it has been reported.

Some 1,400 children were abused between 1997 and 2013 in the South Yorkshire town, including cases of them of being made to witness brutal rapes, being covered in petrol and threatened with being set alight, according to a devastating report last week.

Many of the victims were young girls in care of the council - which was accused of "blatant" failures in not dealing with the problem.

The researcher, who was seconded to Rotherham Council from the Home Office in 2002, spoke to BBC Panorama anonymously and said she was told she must "never, ever" again mention the fact they most of the abusers were Asian men.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/09/02/rotherham-abuse-researcher-diversity-course_n_5750560.html?1409650724

At least 1,400 children were subjected to appalling sexual exploitation in Rotherham between 1997 and 2013, a report has found.

Children as young as 11 were raped by multiple perpetrators, abducted, trafficked to other cities in England, beaten and intimidated, it said.

The report, commissioned by Rotherham Borough Council, revealed there had been three previous inquiries.

Council leader Roger Stone said he would step down with immediate effect.

Mr Stone, who has been the leader since 2003, said: "I believe it is only right that as leader I take responsibility for the historic failings described so clearly."

Several staff described their nervousness about identifying the ethnic origins of perpetrators for fear of being thought as racist”


The inquiry team noted fears among council staff of being labelled "racist" if they focused on victims' descriptions of the majority of abusers as "Asian" men.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-28939089

WakeUp

end of the road wrote: »

which are in your imagination. no such thing as pc.

whatever about this guy saying what he said yeah he probably shouldnt have said it but talk about an over reaction. political correctness/hardcore liberalism does exist its all around us in many forms its genesis being early 20th century marxism its rational the stunting of critical thought and control there of. its an infliction of the senses, a disorder. a mind phuck. and unfortunately all too real. without in many instances being based in any reality. funny thing about it is its intolerance parading as tolerance. its bullsh1t and its existence should be anathema to anyone with a working brain in their head. is what I think anyways.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6u2RqpalNg

end of the road

RobYourBuilder wrote: »

This f*cking guy. Do you actually believe what you type?



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11062758/Scandal-hit-Rotherham-deleted-abuse-files.html



http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/09/02/rotherham-abuse-researcher-diversity-course_n_5750560.html?1409650724



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-28939089

that is called covering up/corruption. if people were afraid of being labeled racist thats because they were gullible.

RobYourBuilder

end of the road wrote: »

that is called covering up/corruption. if people were afraid of being labeled racist thats because they were gullible.

I think that it is you that is gullible. Earlier in this thread you stated that feelings should trump airport security. Anyway, even Labour party members admit that they could have done more for the raped girls of Rotherham, but that they didn't want to 'rock the multicultural boat'.

Last week, Denis MacShane, the former MP for Rotherham, admitted he might have not done enough about child sexual exploitation by Asian men in his constituency because he was a "Guardian-reading liberal leftie". MacShane, who resigned as an MP in 2012 over expenses fraud for which he was later jailed for six months, told the BBC he was never directly approached by anyone with allegations of child abuse during his 18 years as an MP.

Yet he "probably" didn't do as much as he could have done and should have "burrowed into" the issue, he said. "I think there was a culture of not wanting to rock the multicultural community boat, if I may put it like that."

Cryer's battle began when seven mothers came to her to claim that their daughters had been groomed by young men from the Pakistani community. "They said the girls were being used for sex by them and handed around – not as prostitutes, but were being handed around the families of these lads. This was underage sex. These girls were well below 16. The mothers said, 'We understand it's a criminal offence even if it's consensual', which I said was quite right. And they said to me, 'Why is it that West Yorkshire police won't do anything about it, social services won't do anything about it, when we have given them the names and addresses of the men abusing our daughters?' "

Twelve years on, Cryer described these women as "enlightened mothers, members of the Labour party, women who I would never in a million years have described as racist".

Cryer is adamant that she can't have been the only politician to have heard such stories. "There must have been councillors and MPs, I think, all over the country who knew what was going on but were terrified. It's a genuine fear, to be terrified of being labelled a racist. No one wants to be called a racist, least of all someone who isn't a racist."

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/aug/30/rotherham-girls-could-have-been-spared-ann-cryer

Britains problem is not a 75 year old pensioner who made a silly quip. Britains problems are the mass Asian grooming gangs all across the country and that more British muslims have joined the ISIS than the British armed services.

end of the road

RobYourBuilder wrote: »

Britains problem is not a 75 year old pensioner who made a silly quip.

nobody said it was.

RobYourBuilder wrote: »

Britains problem is that more British muslims have joined the ISIS than the British armed services.

well in fairness its hardly a tough choice is it. they are both as bad as each other

P. Breathnach

RobYourBuilder wrote: »

... Britains problem is not a 75 year old pensioner who made a silly quip.

So a comment that has Islamophobic connotations can be downplayed by calling it a "silly quip". Why not accept that it was more than that?

Britains problems are the mass Asian grooming gangs all across the country and that more British muslims have joined the ISIS than the British armed services.

This is whataboutery. No reasonable person would deny that Britain has many serious problems, and that some of those problems involve people of Asian origin, many of them Muslims. Although I don't see the basis on which you extrapolate from the Rotheram experience to "mass Asian grooming gangs all across the country". But the existence of other problems does not mean that this man's behaviour is somehow acceptable.

RobYourBuilder

So a comment that has Islamophobic connotations can be downplayed by calling it a "silly quip". Why not accept that it was more than that?

Because it wasn't. A 75 year old pensioner said "I'm not a muslim" in the presence of a muslim. Big swinging mickey.

Although I don't see the basis on which you extrapolate from the Rotheram experience to "mass Asian grooming gangs all across the country".

'Asians' make up only 5% of the country but account for 28% of perpetrators of grooming, whilst whites make up 30%. When it comes to grooming, 'Asians' are vastly overrepresented.

A bombshell police report has revealed 75 per cent of known on-street child sex groomers in the West Midlands are Asian – with 82 per cent of victims, aged 14 to 16, being white.

And a Birmingham Mail investigation has discovered how police, councils and social services have been failing vulnerable victims in a new abuse scandal which follows those identified in Rotherham, Rochdale and Derbyshire.

The shocking statistics are contained in a confidential report from West Midlands Police.

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/west-midlands-police-report-reveals-7948902

Don't forget that Asians make up only 26.6% of the population of Birmingham, whites make up 57%.

Then we have previous grooming cases in other areas such as;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derby_sex_gang

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rochdale_sex_trafficking_gang

Lapin

end of the road wrote: »

well in fairness its hardly a tough choice is it. they are both as bad as each other

What an idiotic, moronic and insulting comment.

DeadHand

end of the road wrote: »

well in fairness its hardly a tough choice is it. they are both as bad as each other

So you'd feel just as safe if not safer living in close proximity to ISIS military forces as you would living, as we do, in close proximity to various elements of the British armed services?

Quin_Dub

Berserker wrote: »

Ever traveled to the USA or Russia? I travel to the UK very regularly and find them very easy to deal with.

Would disagree - Can't comment about Russia , but the US guys , whilst humourless, are painfully polite and "proper"...

The only Airport in the world where I feel nervous and "dirty" is Heathrow.. Just everything about the place - The double security checks as you move through the place... The 60 seconds that they spend staring at you , staring at your passport photo , staring at you , back and forth is just excruciating...

DarkyHughes

Glad he's getting punished. It's time we started to come down heavy on these racist & fascist scum.

Lapin

DarkyHughes wrote: »

Glad he's getting punished. It's time we started to come down heavy on these racist & fascist scum.

He's not getting punished and rightly so.

You should only get punished if you break the law.

An this gentleman didn't do that.

who the fug

DarkyHughes wrote: »

Glad he's getting punished. It's time we started to come down heavy on these racist & fascist scum.

I take it peadofiles what be republican and good at claiming other people's money , can work away

We need a smiley for jog on

DeadHand

DarkyHughes wrote: »

Glad he's getting punished. It's time we started to come down heavy on these racist & fascist scum.

He said a foolish thing at the airport, he ain't Amon Goeth.

You'll be disappointed to hear they aren't jailing an old man for saying the wrong thing.

Old man makes an ill-advised, sarcastic remark at an airport. You want to see a pensioner punished heavily for a perceived thought crime. Who's the real fascist here?

allibastor

Aaaahh I love England and Ireland. The lad where we cant say anything about anyone because we are racist, yet all other cultures can come here and do what they want and say what they want and we have to just smile and nod.

None are so privalged as the white man they say

Beefy78

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Would disagree - Can't comment about Russia , but the US guys , whilst humourless, are painfully polite and "proper"...

The only Airport in the world where I feel nervous and "dirty" is Heathrow.. Just everything about the place - The double security checks as you move through the place... The 60 seconds that they spend staring at you , staring at your passport photo , staring at you , back and forth is just excruciating...

Heathrow is a breeze. Never had any issues there. Gatwick used to be a pain in the hole for years though although they'd really cleaned the place up last time I went through there.

JFK is the worst airport for getting through in my experience.

Fuhrer

Beefy78 wrote: »

Heathrow is a breeze. Never had any issues there. Gatwick used to be a pain in the hole for years though although they'd really cleaned the place up last time I went through there.

JFK is the worst airport for getting through in my experience.

JFK was the worst ive been to.


Its staggering how much cleaner the airports were in Africa compared to it.

Beefy78

It is just consistent with JFK. Any time I go something goes wrong. Security queues crossing the whole of the terminal, two hour waits at immigration, getting the grilling of a lifetime at immigration (6'7 black guy holding his gun asking if he makes me nervous as apparently "my wife tells me I only make the bad people nervous"), lengthy waits on the runway, the lot.

Plus yeah it is grotty and expensive and feels rundown.

I was there a few weeks ago and the scanners at one of the terminals had shut down so no one could go through security. That was at the terminal that a friend of mine was flying from and not the one I was at and therefore I thought it was funny but that's besides the point.

end of the road

allibastor wrote: »

Aaaahh I love England and Ireland. The lad where we cant say anything about anyone because we are racist, yet all other cultures can come here and do what they want and say what they want and we have to just smile and nod.

None are so privalged as the white man they say

you can say what you want. but you maybe challenged by someone with a different opinion. the CPS are only prosecuting people for nothings like this to justify their jobs and to pander to the gutter.

RobYourBuilder

DarkyHughes wrote: »

Glad he's getting punished. It's time we started to come down heavy on these racist & fascist scum.

Says the lad whose username is DarkyHughes. A bank robber, bomber, murderer and convicted terrorist.

well in fairness its hardly a tough choice is it. they are both as bad as each other

The British Army are as bad as the ISIS? Are you for real?

This site is deadly.:pac:

wendell borton

Well both isis and the BA were started by bigoted lunatics to create fundamentalist sectarian states.:pac:
But in fairness, you cant compare the 1600's with today.

end of the road

RobYourBuilder wrote: »

Says the lad whose username is DarkyHughes. A bank robber, bomber, murderer and convicted terrorist.



The British Army are as bad as the ISIS? Are you for real?

This site is deadly.:pac:

i am yes. the things they have done over the years make them as bad as isis in my opinion

RobYourBuilder

end of the road wrote: »

i am yes. the things they have done over the years make them as bad as isis in my opinion

Your opinions are a bit off the wall though. You called the French people bigoted and racist over the veil ban and claimed that Ireland is more progressive than France. You also claimed that peoples feelings should trump national security.:eek:

Lapin

end of the road wrote: »

....well in fairness its hardly a tough choice is it. they are both as bad as each other

Present tense.

end of the road wrote: »

....the things they have done over the years make them as bad as isis in my opinion

Past tense.


You seem to revel in making an eejit of yourself and the saddest thing about that is, nobody takes anything you say seriously anymore.

end of the road

RobYourBuilder wrote: »

You called the French people bigoted and racist over the veil ban

no, i didn't, i just called those who support it bigoted and racist, they use "security" as the excuse when really its because its "mudlimz in it"

RobYourBuilder wrote: »

claimed that Ireland is more progressive than France.

it is . we don't have a law that tells people what they can and can't wear just because someone doesn't like it.

RobYourBuilder wrote: »

You also claimed that peoples feelings should trump national security.

and i stand by it. national security is an excuse used to silence, keep things hidden that the public should know, and allows a government to do what it likes in the name of "national security" . truth is national security are 2 very dangerous words

end of the road

Lapin wrote: »

Present tense.



Past tense.


You seem to revel in making an eejit of yourself and the saddest thing about that is, nobody takes anything you say seriously anymore.

i would say the things they will do but who knows whether they will be in a conflict the same as recent ones again. i don't make an egit of myself, i just speak the truth and don't look for anything in return for it.