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'Upset' Stansted Security Staff reaction to Muslim quip. Careful what you say there.

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    #62
    [Deleted User]
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    timetogo wrote: »
    Police should have had a bit of cop on too.

    I'd imagine 2 police officers would have to go over and respond. When asked what the pensioner did and the reply was "said he wasn't a muslim" they should have had a chat with the security guard and told him to cop the fuk on and stop wasting police time.
    True that. Along with people coming back from Switzerland alone I really can't understand why police can't make the kind of "errors" they often do in proper cases.


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    #63
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    Also this is where stupid, ill-thought-out "hate speech" laws end up. The Brits are also going ahead with adding internet filters for "extremist" content. And who gets to decide which is extremism, which is opposition, which is disrespectful? Sad path to be going down.


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    #64
    BlatentCheek
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    True that. Along with people coming back from Switzerland alone I really can't understand why police can't make the kind of "errors" they often do in proper cases.

    Nowadays, particularly in the UK, there's an entire system of "equality/justice/watchdog" groups which sometimes interpret their remit to extend to vilifying any organisation that they see as not measuring up to what they consider acceptable behaviour.

    Organisations afraid of such treatment tend to jettison their staff involved in any scandal at the first wave of allegations regardless of the substantive issues so front line workers (police, health staff, teachers, social workers) have to be extremely sensitive to not draw the wrath of such groups if they want to feel secure in their careers.


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    #65
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    BlatentCheek wrote: »
    Nowadays, particularly in the UK, there's an entire system of "equality/justice/watchdog" groups which sometimes interpret their remit to extend to vilifying any organisation that they see as not measuring up to what they consider acceptable behaviour.

    Organisations afraid of such treatment tend to jettison their staff involved in any scandal at the first wave of allegations regardless of the substantive issues so front line workers (police, health staff, teachers, social workers) have to be extremely sensitive to not draw the wrath of such groups if they want to feel secure in their careers.

    While there is a branch dedicated to that, I feel it's a very small (but easy for publicity) part of the overall problem and direction.
    While there are cases of ridiculous "PC"-ness, the main point is censorship and control. Laws like these are all ultimately going towards stifling dissent of any kind. The Brits spent huge amounts of time and money in the 60s onwards infiltrating and undermining subversives such as socialists and communists and well as the right-wing groups. The same is now happening on the internet. While it's starting as targeting "extremism", that word will soon morph to mean many types of opposition and dissent.


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    #66
    sjb25
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    I agree security and the police went a bit OTT on him but why didn't a 75year old man have sence to shut his mouth take his shoes off walk trough the machine and go on his way witout trying to be a smart ass iv had to take my shoes of at airports loads of times it's a pain in the ass but not a big deal just do it and get on you're way..... Still police should have just told em to cop on to himself and head on


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    #67
    end of the road
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    Frank Lee Midere wrote: »
    security trumped PC

    it didn't. as pc doesn't exist. its made up to keep the bigots in check, and the gullible fall for it and rant about how they can't say this and that when in actual fact they have nothing worth saying.
    Frank Lee Midere wrote: »
    security trumped hurted feelings.

    security will never be more important then hurt feelings

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #68
    RobYourBuilder
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    security will never be more important then hurt feelings

    Are you taking the p*ss?


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    #69
    Mardy Bum
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    end of the road wrote: »
    it didn't. as pc doesn't exist. its made up to keep the bigots in check, and the gullible fall for it and rant about how they can't say this and that when in actual fact they have nothing worth saying.



    security will never be more important then hurt feelings

    9/10 I would agree with you eotr. However, PC does exist in airport security. It is literally part of the job to check a specific number of people from every demographic daily. Is this really how resources should be spent? Are 80 year old women in danger of blowing up a plane?


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    Lapin
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    end of the road wrote: »
    it didn't. as pc doesn't exist. its made up to keep the bigots in check, and the gullible fall for it and rant about how they can't say this and that when in actual fact they have nothing worth saying.

    Bollox.
    end of the road wrote: »
    security will never be more important then hurt feelings

    Utter bollox.



    And well you know it.


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    #71
    DaveDaRave
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    Islam is not a race. Sounds like easy defense


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    #72
    end of the road
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    Mardy Bum wrote: »
    Despite this being not very PC

    pc doesn't exist so has nothing to do with this, the word "pc" in this regard should be banned from boards actually
    Mardy Bum wrote: »
    It is a total waste of resources checking a 75 year old man

    its not. security measures are for everyone and rightly so
    Mardy Bum wrote: »
    it is patently obvious he will not be blowing up the plane.

    actually its not.
    Mardy Bum wrote: »
    Resources should be used much more intelligently rather than this meet your daily target in every demographic approach.

    this "meet your daily target in every demographic approach" doesn't exist. resources are used intelligently when information comes to light.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #73
    end of the road
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    While there are cases of ridiculous "PC"-ness

    there are no cases of "PC-ness" . its just pure stupidity in cases like this
    Deleted User wrote: »
    the main point is censorship and control. Laws like these are all ultimately going towards stifling dissent of any kind. The Brits spent huge amounts of time and money in the 60s onwards infiltrating and undermining subversives such as socialists and communists and well as the right-wing groups. The same is now happening on the internet. While it's starting as targeting "extremism", that word will soon morph to mean many types of opposition and dissent.


    i completely agree. and this dangerous nonsense must be stopped before we see people in britain ending up in jail for criticising the government or saying something the government doesn't like

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #74
    NSAman
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    this just proves that English airports are the most obnoxious places to travel through.

    People who cannot speak English properly imposing stupid rules on travelers who are stressed already. Heathrow on particular I avoid like the plague. Jobsworths who just annoy the hell out of people wielding "powers" over the general populace. Manys the time I have wanted to say something but never bothered. Until one "border" official stopped me for having two bags (one was a purchase in duty free) saying "no entrance, one bag" the guy couldn't speak english. I took one bag I had opened it and places the other one inside. He then tried to claim I was breaking the "rules" ...

    Nowadays I avoid England like the plague. Awful bloody place.


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    #75
    end of the road
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    Mardy Bum wrote: »
    PC does exist in airport security. It is literally part of the job to check a specific number of people from every demographic daily.

    thats not pc. thats just doing random checks.
    Mardy Bum wrote: »
    Is this really how resources should be spent?

    it has to be.
    Mardy Bum wrote: »
    Are 80 year old women in danger of blowing up a plane?

    anyone is capible of it to be honest.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #76
    end of the road
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    NSAman wrote: »
    People who cannot speak English properly imposing stupid rules brought in by the government on travelers who are stressed already. Jobsworths who just annoy the hell out of people wielding "powers" given to them by the government over the general populace. Manys the time I have wanted to say something but never bothered. Until one "border" official who was employed on the cheep like everything in britain stopped me for having two bags (one was a purchase in duty free) saying "no entrance, one bag" the guy couldn't speak english as he probably wasn't trained at all. I took one bag I had opened it and places the other one inside. He then tried to claim I was breaking the "rules" ...


    fixed that up a little for you

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #77
    Drakares
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    The UK has gone full retard when it comes to Muslims and political correctness. Bringing the law into something like this is downright ridiculous. Yet there are Islamic protests in the UK with the likes of "British Police Burn in Hell" and no one takes notice.. Lets not offend them in any way but they can bash everyone else.


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    #78
    Nodin
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    Lapin wrote: »

    Some people are too sensitive for their jobs. Thankfully sense prevailed here and this case was thrown out before it got to court.

    Well in this case the cops and a few others were evidently acting the ****wit as well.


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    #79
    suicide_circus
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    Nodin wrote: »
    Well in this case the cops and a few others were evidently acting the ****wit as well.
    Evidently.


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    #80
    Lapin
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,184 ✭✭✭✭Lapin


    @ End of the Road


    Yet again you latch on to a thread, pass unfounded comments on other people's posts but fail to put forward any reasonable contribution of your own, let alone offer a source to qualifiy your remarks.

    Some examples.
    end of the road wrote: »

    security will never be more important then hurt feelings
    end of the road wrote: »

    actually its not.
    end of the road wrote: »

    it has to be.
    end of the road wrote: »
    fixed that up a little for you

    Its obvious that you are out of your depth and clearly haven't a pigs notion of whats going on here.

    A disposition that takes some achieving on After Hours.

    But fear not. There are other places nearby that may serve your intellect better and lots of nice boys and girls to play with there.


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    #81
    Guy:Incognito
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    Frank Lee Midere wrote: »
    He didn't imply anything. What was inferred was up to the security guy. Who was, by the way, the one in the position of power here.

    What's your opinion on the stories in this thread about how Irish people were treated in security in recent memory?

    Regardless of anyones opinion on this case, you, me and everyone else on he knows what he meant. It was clearly "what are you checking me for, I'm not a musim" and not a public service announcement to helpfully inform people of his religion.

    You can play the "but he made this statement" card all you like, but you know what he meant and why he said it. Would "I'm not black "be equally acceptable?

    Or was he cut short from listing all the religions he isn't for no reason?


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    #82
    voz es
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    I went to thorpe park in just outside London 3 or 4 years back. Security heard my accent and asked me to go through a random screening, the que comprised of 3 Irish lads, aprox 8 asians and the rest was made up of Black people.

    I felt that was racial profileing there on full show and I let them know it. Nothing to do with the topic really but I felt the need to air it.


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    #83
    end of the road
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    voz es wrote: »
    I felt that was racial profileing there on full show

    to right it was. the poisonous bigoted racist evil of racial profileing is something that must be eradicated

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #84
    Karl Stein
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    Lapin wrote: »
    Afterall, the only reason we have to remove our shoes at airports is due of the actions of British terrorist, radical Sunni Islam Richard Reid, AKA the 'Muslim Shoe Bomber.

    And that sole reason *cough* was why the trillion dollar global 'war on terror' was renamed 'the war on Muslim footwear'.

    sigh


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    #85
    P. Breathnach
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    voz es wrote: »
    I went to thorpe park in just outside London 3 or 4 years back. Security heard my accent and asked me to go through a random screening, the que comprised of 3 Irish lads, aprox 8 asians and the rest was made up of Black people.

    I felt that was racial profileing there on full show and I let them know it. Nothing to do with the topic really but I felt the need to air it.
    I get the impression that you didn't like it.

    And I think that has much to do with the topic: if people are treated less well because they can be put into a particular category, where people who fit in that category are not necessarily a security threat, they are right to feel that they are being treated unfairly.

    The man in this case was effectively advocating that Muslims should be treated differently because they are Muslims - even though the large majority of Muslims are law-abiding.


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    #86
    Sunnyisland
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    I was going through faro airport and at passport control the officer looked at me looked at the photo in passport looked back at me and growled you need to shave your beard off,

    Was flying from Lisbon to New Delhi and in a que for European passport holders only, when I got to the top the officer said, your in the wrong que get over there, when I protested and said Ireland is in the EU , he looked at the passport again looked at me and said sorry thought you were an Iranian . Lol just thought I would share...


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    #87
    NSAman
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    P. Breathnach wrote: »
    The man in this case was effectively advocating that Muslims should be treated differently because they are Muslims - even though the large majority of Muslims are law-abiding.

    A large majority of every population is law-abiding. Yet, it seems some religions are treated with kid gloves in Europe than other religions. Yes I travel extensively and in the States this divide doesn't occur to the same extent as it does in Europe.


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    #88
    Lapin
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    Karl Stein wrote: »
    And that sole reason *cough* was why the trillion dollar global 'war on terror' was renamed 'the war on Muslim footwear'.

    Put your sarcastic gifs away and don't be so ridiculous. Nowhere did I ever say that was the case.


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    #89
    diomed
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    I think what has happened is that police and other security types have been watching too many American TV shows and now think the public must only speak when spoken to, and if the officer is not given the greatest respect they can start harassing.


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    #90
    P. Breathnach
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    NSAman wrote: »
    A large majority of every population is law-abiding. Yet, it seems some religions are treated with kid gloves in Europe than other religions. Yes I travel extensively and in the States this divide doesn't occur to the same extent as it does in Europe.
    One thing seems plain enough to me: Muslims are not treated with kid gloves in AH.


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    #91
    BlaasForRafa
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    P. Breathnach wrote: »
    One thing seems plain enough to me: Muslims are not treated with kid gloves in AH.

    Nor should they be. They don't deserve any more privileges than any other cultists.


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