nargc!!

Padd2

was at a federation meeting last night and was brought up that us as members of nargc and the compensation fund are exempt from paying dog licences?? how many knew of this? the reaction at the meeeting was that very few were aware of this ?? any thought??

Vegeta

Never heard that before. Great if true, know anywhere this is written down?

Padd2

im led to believe its in the compensation fund contract ~!!

LIFFY FISHING

Rubbish... how could a private compensation fund exempt you from the laws of the state?...
It's the law that you must have a licence for a dog!

Padd2

just been in contact with chris gavican from nargc and he gave the tak at the meeting last night and assures its in legislation that as members we are exempt for the dog licence!! will be back to me with the proof or where its stated in the contract!

Backfire

Annoyingly the dog at home is licensed in the father's name, but he isnt a paying NARGC member. However, I am....so....must get the license name transferred to me if whats said in this thread is true.

Buggs

I can;t post links but if you do a google search with NARGC and dog licence, and find a PDF titled "THE NARGC COMPENSATION FUND".
They stipulate that the dog must be owned and licensed to the fund member, also near the end of the document look at the proposal form, where they ask for the Dog Licence Number.
Can't see it being true.

Padd2

Buggs wrote: »

I can;t post links but if you do a google search with NARGC and dog licence, and find a PDF titled "THE NARGC COMPENSATION FUND".
They stipulate that the dog must be owned and licensed to the fund member, also near the end of the document look at the proposal form, where they ask for the Dog Licence Number.
Can't see it being true.

did the very same my self and thats why i rang chris to check !!

guess we will wait and see if he gets back with the statements
any one else at the cork federation gun club meetin???

everypenny

Buggs wrote: »

I can;t post links but if you do a google search with NARGC and dog licence, and find a PDF titled "THE NARGC COMPENSATION FUND".
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http://d52so9qkre3k8.cloudfront.net/sites/nargc/en/Upload/downloads/Dog%20Protection%20Scheme.pdf


This is the link to that document. Can't see anything about exemption or refund of license fees though.

Cass

I'm only guessing here, but unless the NARGC pay your dog license fees for you i fail to see how an organisation can be exempt from paying a license fee. On the form it states nothing about them paying for your dog license and on the bottom of the form it ven asks for your dog license number. If they pay it for you they would know/have this.

I'm gonna stress this point before it's misinterpreted as an attack that i'm only responding to the OP's comments. As i would for any topic.

The NPWS is a state body that regulate wildlife licenses and they cannot alter, amend or give exemptions for any licenses. It's a legal issue and they do not have the authority/power to do so. The same applies to the NARGC. They are not/cannot make members exempt from having to pay a state fee. The only way i can see it happening is if the NARGC charge or include in their membership fees the cost of a dog license and pay it on behalf of their members in which case the member/person should still receive a license from the NARGC to show they are covered.

As said at the start of this post it's only a guess and if they do then that;s great for their members, however i'd be skeptical.

Conchurl

i was at the same meeting last night and there was a great reaction when he said this at the meeting

hiddenmongoose

gona tag this as I have to see how he is going to back this up.Great if its true, but i just cant see how.

Snakezilla

Very interesting , We were told at a regional NARGC meeting that the NARGC WILL NOT pay out unless your dog has a valid dog license !

Cass

I've edited and removed some posts/responses to posts.

This is the hunting forum, not the State Benefits forum. Any comments or opinions about people on Social Welfare can be posted there. While threads may go off topic they don't go that far off.

Wadi14

I'm in Donegal and the members up here where told the same thing about the dog licence at a meeting in Donegal last night

everypenny

It seems to have been said at at least two meetings. Did they hand out any literature or reference any links when they said this?

It's beginning to sound like they're gonna be offering to fill in the potholes next.

Jimy1971

I was at our county meeting last night in Offaly and they only thing they mentioned about dogs was that gundog training is now covered by the compensation fund. It never was , so before the AGM if anything happened your dig whike you were training it. Tough luck. Heard nothing about not having to pay a license

ronn

I have the nargc dog insurance and the first thing theys ask for is the dog licence no.

Conchurl

Padd2 wrote: »

just been in contact with chris gavican from nargc and he gave the tak at the meeting last night and assures its in legislation that as members we are exempt for the dog licence!! will be back to me with the proof or where its stated in the contract!

Did he get back to you yet?

blackpearl

ronn is right that puts that to bed.

Conchurl

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/pdf/2010/en.act.2010.0029.pdf

I was on the phone to Chris today and he said section 2 of this act explains it. I didn't get a chance to read it yet myself

Cass

That entire act (Dog Breeder's Act 2010) is about dog breeders, the registration off dog breeders and the fees, maintenance, inspection of such breeders. Nothing about individual dog license fees and nothing to say the NARGC (and it's members) are exempt in any way from paying dog license fees.

Conchurl

Cass wrote: »

That entire act (Dog Breeder's Act 2010) is about dog breeders, the registration off dog breeders and the fees, maintenance, inspection of such breeders. Nothing about individual dog license fees and nothing to say the NARGC (and it's members) are exempt in any way from paying dog license fees.

That's the act he said it's covered in and section 2 is the relevant one. He said if I have any more questions to give him a call so if I get the chance tomorrow I will call him tomorrow

Cass

Section 2 of that act is a definitions. Nothing more. It only explains the meaning of the words being used. It does refer to a license fee in section 9(4) which says:

(4) An application under this section shall—

• (a) be in writing,
• (b) specify the name of the applicant and the address at which he or she ordinarily resides,
• (c) specify the address of the premises at which the applicant intends to operate a dog breeding establishment or is operating a dog breeding establishment, as the case may be,
• (d) contain such other information as may be prescribed, and
• (e) unless the applicant is a fee exempt applicant, be accompanied by a fee (in this Act referred to as the “appropriate fee”).

So nothing there. Then in section 25(1)(A)(B)(C) it covers fees:

25.—The Act of 1986 is amended by substituting the following
section for section 8:

The fees are €20, €140 and €400. All relating to Dog BREEDING.



I'm not trying to be awkward and i know you're just passing on information, but what he told you is like me saying "You need gun license because it says so in this act" and then show a link to the 18 firearms act, 61 SIs, and 2 EU directives. That entire act is about dog breeding. It has nothing to do with individual dog owners and the fees related to them. That is covered under the 1986 control of dogs act which has no provision for any exemptions for the NARGC and it's members.

As i said above, earlier in the thread, if it's true then great, but i would need to see the specific legislation that says so. Not to be a dick, but if a lad thinks he is covered and goes out with his dog only to loose it because he is not in fact covered it's going to cause problems. It's the very reason we don't allow legal advice on this, or any, forum. In case someone acts on it.

Witcher

The NARGC seem to be having a lot of problems interpreting legislation lately.

First it was shooting birds with a rifle- one month they had an article in the ISD saying it was fine, the next month their ISD article said it was illegal.

Now they've moved onto dog licences.

They keep themselves busy anyway :pac:

Vegeta

Ok so section 2 defines what a hunt club is. Anyone breeding dogs, as defined in the Act (6 bitches over 6 months old and capable of breeding) and who is a member of a "hunt club" does not have to pay the fee (section 14).

Doesn't apply to majority of us I'd imagine.

pfizer

I phoned the cork county council today to find out who is exempt from paying dog licence and the lady nearly blew her top on the phone about the amount of phone calls she received over the dog licence in last few days. She said it was nothing short of blatant lie and totally untrue and there is no one exempt from the paying their dog licence. I spoke to a few lads that were at the meeting in cork and they said the whole meeting was a slur against countryside alliance but they failed to mention at the meeting of the mass exit of gun clubs to leave the cork federation of the NARGC and join the countryside alliance in the last twelve months, only to tell every one how grate the NARGC and then to finished of the meeting there. They were all told if you are member of the NARGC you don't have to licence your dog????????

Cass

Lads,

I'm placing this as a Mod Note to highlight it's importance.

From everything others, the Mods, and myself can gather the information being circulated that being a member of the NARGC means you don't have to pay for a dog license MUST be ignored.

All the evidence, law/legislation, and first hand information from local authorities says you do.


So please DO NOT assume you are covered by being a member, and continue to pay for your dog licenses as normal. The Mods are continuing to try clarify what the NARGC meant, but until such a time DO NOT risk loosing your dog by acting on this information and not licensing them.

hiddenmongoose

With so many people talking about this why doesnt the nargc just come out and explain it all , plain and simple .This is not the first time they have come out with a clanger then nothing to back it up.I emailed them over a statement they made earlier this year (twice actually as the first reply did not give me an explaination) and they couldnt or wouldnt explain or back up their statement ,Im also a fully paid member for what its worth in the matter.If you are going to make such a bold statement as this you need to be able to back it up with simple proof .Iv been turned off the nargc more and more this year by their own actions and as such believe i will leave them after my current cover runs out to be honest.

Cass

Having read that carefully and discussed it with the other Mods, we are of the firm belief that it relates solely to those that breed dogs and are members of a hunt club. IOW about 5% of the people with dogs. Not for the other 95%.

E-mails are being written and clarification being sought. If i get word i'll pass it on. If anyone else gets it please post here as this is more than a mis-spoken term. If lads were to follow this they could find themselves losing their dogs and facing fines.

brieny1000

Anymore updates on this?

Cass

This is the correct position.

Cass wrote: »

Having read that carefully and discussed it with the other Mods, we are of the firm belief that it relates solely to those that breed dogs and are members of a hunt club. IOW about 5% of the people with dogs. Not for the other 95%.
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Membership to the NARGC gives affiliation to the organisation that dog breeders have, and this is covered under the act citied. NOT individual dog owners.

So as was said earlier if you have a dog YOU are responsible for the license for it. Membership to the NARGC DOES NOT give you free dog licenses/exemption from the fee.

SureHowBad

Received this from our secretary the other day. Anyone else have any further information on this?

brieny1000

My reading of this is that the gun club has to register as a dog breeding establishment? ? Which would mean a kennels will have to be built to department standards, and will be inspected yearly by department vets ? Or will every individual member have to have a minium of 6 bitches and his own department standard kennels to avoid paying the fee for the licence?Am I reading this wrong?

Cass

brieny1000 wrote: »

My reading of this is that the gun club has to register as a dog breeding establishment?

Yup.

Which would mean a kennels will have to be built to department standards, and will be inspected yearly by department vets ?

Yup.

Or will every individual member have to have a minimum of 6 bitches and his own department standard kennels to avoid paying the fee for the licence?Am I reading this wrong?

The way i'm reading it, and i'm moving from individual dog owner to breeder, is that if a club has registered as a breeding establishment, has registered as such, that they are exempt from PAYING for individual dog licenses, even though a license for each dog is required. So you get the license, but don't need to pay for it.

However there are fees, and costs associated to registering the club, and running/maintaining such a breeding program.


It still DOES NOT create any exemption for individuals for dog licenses that are not part of such a program.

So as said above in post 32. If you have a dog get a license.

outfoxing

I attended a meeting of our gun club last week and the chairman read out a letter they had received from the cork federation of gun clubs stating that the previous information on dog licence exemption was incorrect and only applied to dog breeders with more than six breeding bitches,