commonsense. wrote: » Lads can anyone explain Corks performance yesterday in light of everything that was said on this forum about cutbert. Cards on the table here, i'm a hurling man but i had to wade through mounds of what now appears to have been serious ****e in light of y'days performance in an attempt to find the hurling commentary. If a complete newcomer to football was reading this thread he would think that ccb had appointed an alien to run the team. It's a good job nobody of note takes these forums seriously and pays any attention to whats being said. Suggestion: if the standard of football analysis dosen't seriously improve we will have to have separate threads for football and hurling.
thinkstoomuch1 wrote: » Two good performance today by ephie Fitzgerald some win for clare Tipp apparently hard done by in armagh against the much lauded mcgeeney armagh and lost by a point Creedon doing good job there
thinkstoomuch1 wrote: » Thanks Denis weren't named twenty six originally though We're they late call up? Are cork carry league panel 32 or so and are Desmond Hodnett and mac eoin dropped of it please,,,,????
thinkstoomuch1 wrote: » Where is harty cup final Denis please? What's the all Ireland series draw for this format? Is it open draw that the loosing finalist play ulster and Galway and I presume finalist can't meet again each other til the final?? Or how does it work please
denishurley wrote: » Stephen Cronin and Kiely were both subs today
thinkstoomuch1 wrote: » Sunshine practice what you preach please before your kind enough to pass judgement I'n future Thanks You change views games on games fair play you belive In that I like have a constant view Long way go before we say cork turned a corner
sean mac wrote: » Quite simply TTM, its ian Maguire and a.n other for me at this stage. Playing monaghan away next weekend against the very shrewd malachy o rourke. They will have 2 very big physical aggressive midfielders, so with what we have I think he has to go with fintan again. Further down the line I would have hope a recuperated ruairi deane with his work and aggression could prove a good foil to Maguire. Add in a half forward line of Kelly/Collins/orourke to win ball and use it intelligently and this area could improve for cork big time. Having paddy Kelly centre forward would help as a further kick out option. Management themselves only see fintan as a stop gap at midfield as witnessed by their dropping of him after the Kerry game. And of course forgot sean kiely, however I would see him at this young stage of his career of having a huge impact off the bench with 20 minutes to go, his pace, power and energy would be well suited to croke park. There are options if somewhat limited but management need to arrange a system to get the best out of it.
wackokid wrote: » Thanks Garry. I was beginning to wonder if my football brain was gone soggy as TTM has a bit of a soft spot, or is it hard spot for the Ross man, and continues to call him school yard names. Pity, as TTM seems like a decent skin otherwise. I haven't had a chance to look at the game again ( yet ) but I liked Cadogan's sortes upfield and his leadership is required if we are to progress. Mark needs to speed up his actions but apart from that he's one cool dude and will get better when the swallows come. I think we will beat Tyrone and Derry but not Monaghan who were very impressive last night and are a good league team. Kerry will be beatable too if we keep this defensive system in place and hockey into them like Mayo did today. All in all, a good day at the races.
Gary Neville wrote: » I'd agree that Donal Og was only average today but I think he might make the grade, in time. I agree that Hayes brings something as a last quarter sub - good vision and will take a score. We are obviously badly caught for corner backs - Galvin is probably an option - we may have to use BOD there. Jamie was OK. It's not Cuthbert's fault - the lads are not there. Loughrey is a problem - great ahtlete but poor vision - modern game requires wing backs to be able to link play. Ken O Halloran is a very good shot stopper and is hard to beat but we won't beat a top side unless we can mix kick-outs - long and short - he can't kick long with the required accuracy and our MF'ers need an edge - by placing the ball to where they run. Bastick outfielded them with ease today. KOH is a luxury we can't afford IMO. A vital win today and maybe we can win our 2 other home games and sneak an away win (Tyrone are our best chance) 4 wins might give a semi slot.
thinkstoomuch1 wrote: » I'd agree with that What's best option for midfield you think now as imo we have left ourselves limited options
sean mac wrote: » Tactically they are looking at being defensive but adopting the best of the Donegal system i.e. breaking at pace when the ball is won. With players/athletes like dorman, Clancy, bodriscoll,cadogan around the half back line added to the class of Collins and orourke this system should suit cork down to the ground. However it needs a playmaker/quarter back type player around the middle like donncha (at this stage will he last 70 minutes?). However the full back line is a huge issue with ONE caveat - cadogan seemed to go strsaight to full back? and obviously noel galvin when fit will slot inthere, its the other corner position and again I think when shields is back will do fine, but we have NO cover. Have to also addd why is cussen on the bench and lauded by management who then refuse to bring him on even do we are getting beaten in midfield?? Have we turned a corner - NO too early to say that, however credit to all for the levels of energy & fitness impressive. If ohallorhan has a longer kick he needs to change things up and use it, when paddy Kelly and mark Collins are playing in the half forward line they are obvious kickout targets away from the centre of the field. Our strongest area is our half back line - we have some superb potential wing backs with power, pace and football, our inside line once fed QUICKLY is lethal but our midfield is not at the races and its difficult to see a solution with the players available - Maguire is a fine player and does a huge amount of work, fintan is not a midfielder at this level.
Gary Neville wrote: » I'd like to see the Cronins - they could mark small nippy corner forwards like Kevin McM and Stephen O Brien. I'm aware BOD would be wasted in the corner but we may not have better options - Crowley would be better option but it's a problem that we must address. I think Ken O H is a great keeper but he simply is poor on kick-outs and I don't think we can afford this - however, we may not have a better option but we have got to see. Maybe Martin. I'm not a big Hayes fan but I think he has something to offer as a sub - however I'd agree with trying Vaughan and maybe the likes of Sam Oakes - I was surprised that Desmond was deemed good enough to try but u can't complain about trying guys in the McGrath. I'd also be concerned as to whether our coaching is good enough - but as least if we fix on a system and work at it, we should improve.
thinkstoomuch1 wrote: » I'd totally agree flangan top shape fitness wise What did you make cork tactically What did you make of subs the tactically changing three aera to solve one Full back line??? What you think we're strongest aera and weakest Have we turned a corner!??? Or is it too early with Dublin missing around five key regular today
leaf123 wrote: » Great win for Roco yesterday, well deserved .Kingston and Cormack didnt have their best game but were always a threat.John o Sullivan from blackrock was outstanding and the point when he picked pocketed the ASR player along the sideline was simply unreal.he was my motm. Powter was frighting , his pace and unbelievable is amazing ,his was a threat through out and last week he kept Roco in the Corn Ni mhuiri with a last minute block. Eoghan O Brien did ok on Lynch however it is hard to keep such a player quiet.Putting lynch in full forward didnt work and they soon realised it was a terrible decision as roco went 0-6 0-1 up.Overall it is great achievement for roco for getting this far only in their second year playing Harty and i hope they go all the way
Richmond Ultra wrote: » As mentioned a few days ago.it looks likely that both Sligo and queens will be in trouble over unregistered players but further info will be available soon.
zetecescort wrote: » good win but look who Dublin had out, 4 or 5 starters come the summer and didn't bring on any big names either while we had 11 or 12 and brought on Kerrigan. Whats the story with our setup on Dublins kickouts. contested only 2 or 3 in the full game. have any sort of system what you want but giving your opponents uncontested possession in the middle of the pitch every time they restart a game is woeful imo.
wackokid wrote: » Anybody who saw D.Og Hodnett doing well today needs glasses. John Hayes played more intelligent football while he was on the field than most, and IMHO is at worst a great sub to have when opposition is tiring. Easy on the eye with the ball in his hands. He doesn't drop it either like some we could name, and if I hear you knocking my favourite player again TTM, I'll find you and strangle you..................lol D.Og is far too cumbersome and lazy for intercounty senior football and is unlikely to make it. That Dublin team today was really not the Dublin team we know, but nevertheless Cork were decent and defended well apart from Lougherey who hasn't a clue about corner back play. Gould is a half back and should be forbidden to shoot for goal under pain of being sent to the ISIS crowd. Holy Jasus those misses today were even worse than his howler v Mayo a few years ago. Final comment.......the event in Killarney was clearly played under a different set of rules to the event in Cork and if anybody can differentiate between the stuff that went on in Killarney under Mr Deegan and Rugby League, please let me know. Hickey has is own rules too BTW and a few of his decisions today mystify. Cubby seems to have adopted the Donegal system and Colm O Driscoll fits that system perfectly. Just my opinion of course and no doubt not universally accepted by other 'experts' here.
sean mac wrote: » Ttm i agree about midfield however an even bigger issue is ohallorhans kickouts,ge gas no distance and has no confidence going ling,the pressure on tiring backs to win a shirt kickout and turn ut into an attack is too much all the time.Could you imagine what a team like donegal would do to us?1 long kick out in2nd half and he didnt reach 45,criminal at this level. Imo maguire is corks only real midfielder atthis level and thats huge pressure on a young fella. However great effort from team and good spirit shown,they gad to win and did;flanagan has them in top shape
