Cork GAA Discussion Thread

Thanks for the reports from the Midleton/Rochestown game lads. Any chance anyone can put up both squads?

CORKDOUBLE wrote: »

Great news re Tracy Kenneddy just goes to show what us key board warriors know ....we all got this one very very wrong ....

Yeah delighted for her. I don't know her personally but she always comes across in the media as very articulate and intelligent. Also seems to be very forward-thinking and not one of the old-school conservative types that we have so many of in positions of authority in Cork GAA.
There's a good chance she could make chairperson one day.
Edit:I did some research and it seems what I said in bold is not true. She is actually more old-school and that would explain why she was elected. Being forward-thinking has never been a way to get ahead in the Cork County Board I suppose!

Scarecrow 2 wrote: »

I would go along with a lot of what you say. The most pleasing thing about her getting in is the top table did everything in there power to get Richard Murphy in. Got clubs to overturn there original decisions by using there influence.
She is a good worker and straight. Heard she can be tough on board rooms and doesn't allow much maneuvering. But that should ensure that she doesn't follow the lead of others, that she has her own values..

The top table with Ger lane in place and the new people at the helm looks refreshing and for the 1st time as far back as I can remember we have a chairman that doesn't toe the line with frank and has support in the room to make sure his influence is curtailed... I hope we look back in 3 years time and see positive changes and serious improvement.

On a side note Peader Healy to crokes is a serious move and hope it works out for Peader. A great football man and genuinely good guy. It's disappointing to see a good man go accross the border and not have him involved in Cork underage but I can only wish him the best of luck.

Is Derek Kavanagh still involved with under age teams? Any other former players involved next season?

You need to read all the post
He has not compliment or advocated the appointment

I agree with your other points, we'll said regards lane , many times said it here myself

One of those I belive didn't vote cuthbhert in football

As regards peadar healy I'm sorry now but you are incorrect there and I have addressed that in my post I'm posting next
Great guy yes, great football man yes but tactical innovative football he's record doesn't justify that

Not up to intercounty imo at any level
Kavanagh is still I belive with cork development and fine coach

Apologies in advance long post but lot to address in my absence last few, days so rather do multiple post I'll put it all in to one, throw all my eggs in the one basket so to speak.

B and b, you may disagree with my length post but I tend talk bout things all cork football and hurling equally both men and women something you don't with respect bring to the table.



[
Quote="Breadandbutter;92884835"]mind you I did hear last year Landers was only the boy in the minor set up and Ring calling all the shots

ultimately his main crew (1996 )moved on now so maybe time for pastures new[/quote]

Your the one imo with biased opions lad regards anything out the city particular the douglas blackrock aera, you look down on everything else particular east cork as you again dismiss under twenty one management yet it is our best in six years.

This was a real amusing post beforeyour original beauty two weeks later you claimed incorrectly where you then had to back track in regards claiming dan gunning and Michel halloran got raw deals by minors.

Clear as day you're anti Denis ring and mark landers

To suggest ring brings in a coach and not use him or landers had no role in cork minor set up shows you're clearly talking nonsense in posting sense regards posts and paucity where you're remarkable consistent with bubbling enthusiastic and energy in that regard
There always a sly comment regards any east cork set up.
For people accuse me bias I wished castle the best and went to mallow support them, I notice just few here wished them the best the usual suspects didn't even mention them.


You claim to know stuff, but give snippets information but you clearly have not watched cork minors train if you think landers had no main role in coaching.
Landers had pivotal role in key session
Do you want me supply you with dates???????
He was not there handing out water bottles or lining staps on hurleys.
It must be interesting for you you know east cork man captained cork in 99 all irelands success.

Breadandbutter wrote: »

I agree and disagree and I'm confused

are Thinkstoomuch and Thinkstoomuch1 the same poster or clones, there's s significant variation in writing styles although in most cases the content tends to be consistent ?

the encylopaediac knowledge and research is impressive (or maybe just a monopoly of information) esp in relation to subjects I have little knowledge of, however In relation to aspects of our games that I am familiar with I do think TTMS posts have a certain bias toward his preferred clubs and players - and in my opinion are not always right, although he is a self declared expert

we are all entitled to our opinion - and clearly I have my own leaningsbut I don't declare my opinions as fact and bombast anyone who disagrees

I think he needs to rein it in a bit myself

There's people that call spade a spade and criticise and I'd have more admiration for them posting sense than your sly condescending praise but not actually praise of me then running with the hair and chasing with the hound in you know too well posters here see you as in poor light In posting sense coming straight out against my posting so you try proclaim yourself hero while making slight at My posting
Are you praising me or not.???!?
As you say yourself, it's confusing.
Actually it's not, imo you fool no one but yourself.

Examples your condescending post  in reference to poster praised Thinkstoomuch,  you said

I'd Agree, then I disagree though and then I'm confused all in the one sentence.

Your unbelievable.
Is it critism or praise.????
It's either black or white but your so condescending you can see it clearly.

Also name the clubs I'm biases towards and players.now don't backtrack as you made clear accusation here Me Club bias which I'm actually most unbiased poster here in I'm cork gaa my club and most know that I don't have favourite, I praise where due.
Now don't back track or do what you do best and side track please name the clubs I'm biased towards and players.
If you don't name them I take it you can't back it up. A bit of advice in advance is you will have some job proving I'm biased against club as in my time as Thinkstoomuch and thinkstoomuch 1 as you made the astounding connection I'm same person, well done , as guaranteed  The clubs you name I have praised then one time or another here.
Put your energy and enthusiastic attuide in to In it but you can't deviate from fact
Give us facts prove other wise???

Name the players please ?????


Let's expose this as nonsense your perception you are trying to paint of me.

And yes as you say I will back it up nit bombast you as you rudely put it but I'll give you clear clear example why I critised or praised them on field play.

You can't do fact yet you claim I monopoly or claim be expert when I do back up real fact.
Example, you said Shane Kingston was best hurling talent in cork.
I said no, backed up with fact he has equals.

Now yes your entitled to your opinion.
But you don't like it when I showed up based on fact it's not true.
You have no comeback with Kingston as he didn't play senior club hurling championship like Tim o mahony or Sean Hayes
I made the point based on fact, your best was usual oh thinks too much claims expert.
No, I just basing my argument debate on fact.

I asked you in two posts show me example why yet you as will do with this post go on off different line tangent and fail answer questions I ask you.

Now your right me Thinkstoomuch were same poster.
Your flawed perception to say there different writing styles and make me out be clone or more or it fail as the posters, the long serving geuine ones I huge respect admiration for will tell you they know it's me that no secret. My writing style never changed ask anyone here

I left came back particular as Thinkstoomuch one to show it's same guy as you can't get user name back once you close account.
Surely man your sherlock homes investigation skills could see that's why kept same username to as close possible as I wanted to be seen to be the same guy.
Ask any old gang here They know the lm same poster.

Monopoly information, seriously??
In one line you again condescending tone praise my knowledge but same line in brackets questions my monopoly.
Your breed of thought just my opinion of course Is alive and well in cork gaa and is the attuide where is neither here nor day
If your going critise stick to it don't praise it same line.

You gave snippets and fair enough maybes you don't have knowledge or info to do more, fine, no problem if that's the case but don't begrudge thread here when  many shown appreciate it large info at times
Has it ever dawned on you, that I know too well growing up how hard get information regards cork team, not all papers do all schools or different codes etc in great detail so any information I have I post as posters like information regards cork gaa in men women. Hurling or football, I'm not just a one trick poney.

Now fair play to you for your great posts like telling all harty cup thread, I'll repost it you want you wanted castetroy beat doon when blatant disregard for colmans as you effective wrote off their chances in once castetroy won there were out when clearly a win for doon, any cork gaa fan knew this meant colmans and ag both had chances go through but course you don't give monkeys regards any club outside your comfort zone of clubs.

Your paucity in posting numerous times I exposed purely posting sense yet you then from nicey nicey insulted my post writing style few weeks ago and I think it's clear day it clear you have agenda against my posts purely when you shouldn't I clearly debated them you failed to substance back them up fact.
You say you don't proclaim your opinions as fact.
Sorry now but you did you claimed and I'll repost your exact post you want that both Michael halloran and gunning got raw deals cork minors due to being city players.
Your clearly trying to give false inaccurate perception cork management that I and others did we not completely blow that ridiculous outrageous suggestions out of the water.

Again I ask name any player in Denis ring time colmans cork, etc he had biased towards.
Did ring not win cork minors all irelands aa coach before with city players??????

Now your right, fair play, you're bang on there is club bias here.
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I took break there few days and said I'd sit back and see what materialised
Lot of opinions from yourself but lacking real information that lot great great posters made this last few weeks.
Great see excellent match day reports from others
Due to popular demand I came back

you don't speak for forum here.
Now as I said your want for me stop posting as you clearly said your post, to reign in it,we'll you can do better and gave this great great thread information it's deserves then you work away

Your last post you fail to see what so blatant obvious regards cork
Shane o Neill past hes best??

Are you for serious.
You do realise he was played out position??
That point you made was questioned by a poster Again when questioned you ignored it, you fail to back up your point with respect.

Yet you say Jamie coughlan nothing to offer .
That is just unbelievable if you think that.
Yes look down the nose on north cork
He's so much offer , never let cork down, should started reply v clare last year certainly should be sub before naughton
He's touch, point scoring is very good brilliant v kilkenny last year playing deep has real cut and bite play and once cork dont box him in full forward corner he'll be fine
Had hip operation and then back injury this year set back. Again you make inaccurate claims.
Now your opinions is he's not intercounty , the fact is he's up it once given a run in team however forwards ahead him unlike he get in there aa imo he's fighting for lehane for place as copper and harnedy and callaghan are aerial ball winners half forward line
Only other aera is midfield but kearney is undroppable
But he's huge lot offer in with horgan appalling form maybee could start if jbm played sweeper imo would be automatic and certain starter as he started at fifteen but play around half forward line

Yet proven intercounty players you dismiss without having wisdom hurling sense realise played out position
You do realise corner back and full back two different positions.

with the greatest respect your anaylis like some reminds me off BBC in soccer , all clapping pundits on back, ruthless critise non English players but if their own do same treated like gods and no you cannot critise, no one challenging each other views and when challenged ignores the issues .It is Like it misses good old real intense debate and anaylis way off, and for all critism at least you get value for money with rte.

And one point you are wrong is imo it's never never too early analyse player or team if you do it properly
Depends how shrewd the judge of player or team is imo.

There is plenty plausible cork talent in cork you're obviously unaware of.
One problem is full back with Spillane injury record adds to the problem.
And no before you say it blackrock full back or douglas full backs fine players not the answer at senior for cork.

Peter Kelleher is fine footballer but will not be hurler at elite level as he's left side hurling is was never developed.
He only has one side hurling.
I watched him hurling last four years numerous times

Would make it as footballer not even close to senior hurler.
Now yes may done okay fresher but who was he direct opponent.
You must ask yourself that question
Name specific games and opponent he faced for me?!???that he was stand out in those games.
Yes your opinions but have you logic for that or is just off wall opinion
People could say Ian keatley is as good ronan o gara
That's opinion but completely off the wall.
See my point

O gorman from Millford, Sean o gorman son former cork hurler looked good as forward ucc fresher. Does not mean he's inter county. NO it doesn't.

I can name five players more potential then Kelleher as hurler
Footballer yes at elite elite level if properly coached
As for you slight again cork under twenty one set up,purely as east cork with north man running show.
Under twenty one set up is fine.
The two city selectors sorry disappoint won't bring much,Alan Browne does nothing show otherwise and while hodgihs okay Hayes is vastly tactical superior.
Of course Hayes dromina, that's small amazing hurling village in North cork, you may not be aware it, outside the city.
You say if only we had under twenty one set up. What do you mean by that???
Yet when questioned by poster you ignored the point.
Rather sit on the fence tell us now your opinions of cork under twenty one set up?????
Let's know where you stand please


Kieran Histon is not senior hurling imo in killian Burke   Stephen Murphy, mcdonnell. Sullivan, o Neill, up coming David doolin, Cian Walsh much much better players and if developed as corner back seadna smith I'n time with dean linehan if bride rovers next few years play him corner.
Has all attributes corner back
Histon is better footballer
You did get it right regards the others fair play

Now before you twist it, this is not competition who best poster my point is you belittle me when I post yet posting wise you hardly bring a lot to the table, some players you mention have done nothing merit such accloades



Now please note this is not confronting post not all but you made a false perception of me in you post regards my posting and surely many will see I have the right to defend this and prove otherwise.
I get deeply dislike posts when someone accuses me of club bias or as some else said wanting cork team to loose but at this stage water off ducks back really as I expect it at this stage from some the usual suspects.

To the view I'm biased against Castlemartr
It's been clearly shown by others here also that I praised castlemstyr and wanted them to win and acknowledgement  by many that castle did play awful and like other cork clubs let cork down badly.
Did I not praise Ryan dennehy as huge potential talent and he's from kiltha og.

some fine when you praise they club players soon you go against them they paint flawed perception to devalue your posts.
If posters wants to prove me lawtons is senior intercounty county standard please do so.
Many acknowledged now despite not doing so before Lawton is nit cork standard.
Is that not my point before
Not biased against him I simply kept mentioned him like many others simply not up cork.
I'm against john Hayes cork football Last year but I praise john o rourke from the same club.



Well am I biased, no I'm not.
Fact is every reason on the field I play judge o rourke where Hayes flatters decive
I simply critise Hayes simply he's on panel again likely to start
Some people expect me to cherry picks.
I'm sorry lads not my style.



On that note to those begrudge regarding my style writing I watched brilliant dead poets society rte last night this quote came up

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Now we all have a great need for acceptance, but you must trust that your beliefs are unique, your own, even though others may think them odd or unpopular, even though the herd may go,

Robert Frost said, "Two roads diverged in the wood and I, I took the one less traveled by, and that has made all the difference."

]
Again I say I'm not hear to make friends, I'm certainly not hear to make enemies,even though many like to paint that picture, but I believe in realism call a spade a spade even if it's unpopular myth or the road less travelled thinks will as often went views alone and most time proven right when I went against things start and didn't wait for hindsight like some to say what's wrong and why its wrong.

The begrudges can begrudge posts away I simply talk cork gaa, that's my only agenda.




Fair play to john horgan in echo he highlights the bad year all for cork clubs in munster and why kilkenny so ahead in club scene and huge worry cork.

Now one point  I was critised hear by many heavily after sarsfields loss and  saying I too hard cork clubs, am I really????

Maybe I was the few that has bold open conviction to call spade spade say truths then, and now others say here it weeks later when the penny drops.


Fair play to john horgan he was spot on cork club scene is huge worry.
Immense credit and credit where due. I was pleasantly surprised reading it that our club scene got critised in cork
Imo brilliant reporting.
Brilliant article imo.
We need Of more it in cork.



What is completely joke is The irony is frank Murphy, who imo as referees was honestly one best around critised intercounty referring with no mention shambles,the castrophic refereeing in cork, in not referee's are poor but there following rules engage soft refeeing in club scene cork and no physically hurling allowed.

As for the question by darragh who holds power in cork

Every single delegate clubs have voice irrespective clubs they are in.

Delegates won't unite as no matter who in there one man run cork gaa as seen by he's extension upon extension of county board secretary so no matter who's in frank has the final say and anyone thinkş otherwise want to öpen their eyes as cork gaa is far from democratic paradise some believe it to be.
the last strike looked çlubs üniťe force radical radical évoultion in cork gaa but not one club but most chickened out às some clubs a lot have self interest, once their fine don't wory bout what's right for cork gaa in the bigger picture.
Real hope however first ages showed their power when they use it was brilliant appointment Tracey Kennedy last night.
At last ray of sunshine.
Huge huge way to go yet though but it's a start.


Darragh haven, your own club delegates Michael maguire suffered it when he asked reasonable questions bout cleary being overlooked over cuthbhert yet bob Ryan hardly a symbolic figure for open democratic debate imo shot down he's questions just like he did with shamrocks delegate regards donal cusack views, and the clubs did not back them.

Anyone want see bombast views with no debate go ccb meeting where there beautiful manipulated and run by rules regulations that open debate can't take place if board don't agree with the motion of debate.
Some delegates are just like pawns on a chess board used whatever way they want with no real power just are numbers like the pawns on the board.
Chairman refutes motion debate as rubbish so no debate takes place.

Tracey Kennedy brilliant she is won't get vice chair role I thought.
Richard Murphy will get this and imo easily get it I and many felt.
Lukin, Tracey is not old school and is absolutely innovative and helps all clubs.
Much much better than Richard Murphy
Ger lane and Tracey are brilliant but look no real real change will take place with frank conductor of orchestra in the same old tunes be played and not new energetic voices of innovation where radical change is seen in cork like director hurling and football likes Morgan. Eammon Ryan up manager year in rte or donal og cusack or o grady given leading roles That leads cork gaa where no one led us before to freedom of stale old values that destroyed hurling at underage, contributing worst senior famine in ages and inhibits growth of cork football being poor relation.


Scarecrow if you read forum here you realise many wanted Tracy win but felt Murphy get it due to ccb history in these things

I'm north cork but às many will agree I said wanted Tracey win

Your Incorrect with respect to suggest people wanted Murphy just people lack faith democratic cork gaa but I'm hugely shocked Tracey won hugely shocked but delighted às fully deserved
Its huge surprise huge surprise and shows clubs unite can have major say cork gaa
You are right in huge canvassing for Murphy and that's why many felt he'd get it
To suggest as you did in earlier post forum wanted Murphy in is wrong and many in duhellow and north cork would actually be delighted with Tracey appointment.


Bob got central council shows what's wrong cork gaa in we make progress but never complete the set imo in imo shouldn't got In

As regards cork football team double it would not surprising me if cuthbhert picked that team but it simply won't work in any game even mcgrath cup

Loughrey is not a corner back and can't defend one v one so much so mallow now played him later year as midfield as half forward.

Anyone in full back line must defend their opposing markers eveN in blanket defence, as this is not soccer. Where if you mark space not man anything left free within thirty five yards shot for forwards and your conceded scores.

In blanket yes could he be the free man im nit sure in free man should ideally be sweeping and picking up loose men when arise where Loughrey too much attack minded imo and in half back line is better bomb forward once he's holding centre back.

Sean dinneen and Laoire unlikely play as unless in wrong are nit even on the panel due the school of Brian cuthbhert management  imo ignoring their talents last year and shows every thing wrong with he's management yet he recalls Kevin canty and cussen two players failed cork in past.
Cork football are training hard and fitness won't be problem but it's solving problems last year will be.
Talked to top intercounty coach this week and he said midfield is going to be a dissaster for cork in the league


Barry o driscoll I'm a Fan but he was under used by counihan but imo too later now as he's time has passed and too indecisive now.

Colm o driscoll fine off the ball defending but nothing offensive so no imo as wastes possesion easily and possesion in modern game is king. people say he's cork Paul Galvin
What nonsense, Galvin was far from a work horse, wonderful passer of the ball and knew how to utilise space and react intense match scenarios. Colm has not got that
Brian o driscoll or john o rourke have potential in that regard.


Cork will struggle to win possession at midfield so must have players use it effectively when they get it, essentially your tenIn gaelic must be equivalent of both inside centre in rubgy in good defender and having skills to off load creatively to more potent players when you attack.
Colm can not do this imo.

Cussen,no imo not up to level
HarshYes , blunt yes, but he's offers cork football imo absolutely nothing going forward and Christ when you see Cody drops tommy Walsh, verge drop fennelly and we bring back cussen chance after after chance, kerry imo and talking lot down there said cork football is going backwards fast recall old guys failed In past.

This reminds me ulster rubgy, last few years good coaches good direction. And we're very good team.
Yet they Make poor statement of intent, bring back Ian humpreys,
He was all what was wrong ulster rubgy ist term they got rid him in a severely limited player not at European standard
.
Then he could no do it even in the English premiship the joke of a competíon it is.

Now they bring him back.
Misses kick v munster, easy kick it was and also v toulon last minutes to win and get loosing bonus point when need was greatest he failed.
This is the same concept with cussen.
He won't do it when need greatest and countless examples cork hurling v Waterford drawn game in 2010, Kilmallock this year,many cork football need is greatest at critical juncture game he will be found out on the ptich.

But wait for it some newspaper article will try and convince that he's changes player,got wiser and more mature às a player etc and he has something to offer cork when there looking for space to fill in January.
I have seen this before.
I say now when this happens and I critise now ,so people may say he's has point he said it in December when it bears fruit in the new year

And make no mistake the fans who swallow anchor will undoubtedly belief such nonsense
Purely as a player I judge him and imo nothing to offer cork football and geuinely I wouldn't have him on cork junior football or intermediate panel even in hurling as it has have new team if he was but isn't eligible as imo, He is good in certain comfort zones and won't change now just like john Hayes etc.
These boys had their day in the sun but it rained a lot for them imo let new better young talents cork get chances they got.
Some players you picked Cork double are fine,but a lot imo there would struggle and tippeary would beat that cork team you picked in the mcgrath cup by at least five points
Add in tippeary have good manager awful set up we have that team offers no hope imo.
Conor sullivan is better on right half back you picked him at left, plays lot club football left is not suited to right.
In that respect William Egan cork who's travelling in hurling imo should played at five than seven as I think suit better, but club or county always him at seven.

Much much better team available but cuthbhert Could pick that team.
He does not do logic decisions obsessed with playing half backs out position at corner back and no midfield proven win ball in partnership
Astute management skills of highest order hardly.
Pat flanganan as good as he won't make blind bit difference this set up.
Did frank flannery brilliant coach make it under Pat kenneally cork minors or with Derek mcgrath at Waterford???
Just look at the excellent Wallis and macdonagh cregan etc with limerick minors, all going well til all ireland final til one man thoughT he knew best, picked he's team and disregard advice others on biggest game year


There influence is limited is my point when some managers imo have purely in gaa sense egos that they believe there the kings of jungle even over proven expierence coaches with them and fail to listen imo


No wonder flannery and maher left waterford as well.
One man set to start is George durrant imo no where near intercounty senior

I see kerry had no interest in him
Like Australia not playing Brian smith in 90s ireland picking him over brilliant Ralph keys
Smith was Australian so ireland thought any Lad aussie blood is a Michael lynagh
No no no.
He ĺike cuthbhert failed realise that powerhouses in sport have indeed poor players too.

Now b and b,in case you accuse me waffling to non sports like you did in your posts I apologise you wont have a knowledge like you said yourself, your words not mine , when I reference non gaa Sport but sure knowledge posters know what I talk bout and they don't even have been rubgy fanatics

Huge link in gaa world to rubgy take Keith wood coaching kilaloe before, f alvey lions tour doctor had gaa background, kissane watches lot rubgy, now the cit coach, munster aidan o connell cork senior football before and newton next year got major coup in getting strength conditions coach from munster rubgy with them,Ed daly all théy need now is to compliment him with a good coach.It seem daly will be doing it all. Michael deasy when he comes back to gaa, rumours have it Could be next year when leaves western Samoa rubgy.
Should be snapped up if becomes free.


Ýou see b ànd b you may think I talk bout stuff non gaa no relevance as you made dig in your post, I call it Àrticulate foresight of innovative thought to think outside the box and when I řeference other sports there is imo a huge significant theme that could be taken in the gaa when you correlate specific points from other sports to gaa.
Now fair enough you don't have such scope knowledge posting wise to understand my posts, but that's something you need to work on with respect, hardly my fault.



The great great coaches do it all the time like Donie Buckley, not sure you  heard him though,you strike me just my opinion as type sticks purely comforts what he thinks he knows, correlates American football drills to gaelic football all the time
I watched him do it.

The genius Buckley who should be kerry under twenty one coach instead of the awful darragh o se,also I belive studies afl and basket ball meticulously.

My thoughts process is similar in posting, you must challenge new idea, innovation key to survival combined with adaptation and évoultion in sport at any level.


It's imo called innovation of évoultion in modern sport imo.
So pardon me b and b if I mention other sports in my posts.
I mention them as there's point of significant correlation fact between both




Cork double hurling team is very good over all.
One point people failed to point out is cork need new captain and imo Nash harnedy and Walsh fit the bill with imo Walsh getting it as senior football winning expierence cork but harnedy must be vice captain
Drop horgan and start pebbles
And once division one status is preserved give Anthony Spillane few games even as sub.

Patrick Collins will  be starting games for cork Waterford crystals cup as Darren mac is outfield he'll start and won't be just bench option.
As for pa callaghan, big news on that id expect soon

Patrick Collins brother ger be cork minor keeper imo next year or year after.

Cork news I said last week huge news on way  Wallis announcement part that and expect top cork coach be announced going southeast club soon enough
I see peadar healy coaching Dr crokes
Imo I wouldn't rate him great coach, I said wouldn't do much o Donovan Rossa last year and he didn't
I had many know here predicted English would outthink him clyda game, he did quite easily.
He didn't do much o Donovan Rossa ist term either but won county b junior football title alright.
Great football man, very nice man by all accounts but he's style play cork football won all ireland was poor to watch imo, I can't see crokes doing much imo now.

And big football news due break soon regards cork gaa next week

Ballyhea agm to night,talk is announcement manager may be tonight appears me limerick man, very surprised buy appointment if I'm honest if it's who think it is.
They were down to two,one is okay to a point other one is not.

Pat hartnett is excellent choice saw one drill last year midelton winning under twenty one winning team county beat rockiees he manager and top drills

He's ruthless intelligent and shewed innovative also
As I said here be no new coach in dwyer stepping up, and he's fine.
Surprise was selector but ring I told. People here is exemplary,he is no fool, anyone brings in top top coach
Cute enough not to upset apple cart in bring new coach new ways mid season promoted dwyer who done some coaching last year and then had hartnett as tactical advisor
Now some will Be unhappy he's east cork,makes no difference in truth forget club loyalty, is he up to the job yes he is , simple as that.
End of story.


Make no mistake hartnett huge influence game management in games
He's going to be groomed by ring following year bigger role if ring gets two term imo
Hartnett can coach and manage, and he's well respected
Wallis brilliant genius coach asked him join he's set up But he's committed cork minors so he won't join Wallace midelton
When jerry Wallis rates you you're good
Hartnett watched lot other teams train, I'm told well placed sources, other top counties and in particular clare in he's nephew is clare under twenty one, minor and former intermediate player , currently on training panel senior clare hurling team,cillan duggan
Hartnett lives breed hurling through he's nostrils but can read games awesomely well
Many here know I always wanted him involved cork teams and he's brilliant, shows though ring again had bring him in as unlikely cork county board would
Point missed here is hartnett like current minor management will have role here in under seventeen as they over see that now also so great for cork and don't be surprised hartnett there few new panel members called up. I'll




At midelton game, no point doing report in last post hit nail head great report but I must add to it
Yes midelton showed no hunger or want or desire.
I don't blame young lads one bit
All those qualities come from management.
This set imo lost all faith current set up management and clearly had no interest in callaghan cup as I said last week they out grown that cup in that it's harty cup they want
If school had any sense they bring new management next year and top management are in school and kearney Collins be ideal and I'd get current player peter dowling kilkenny back involved
Then they win harty cup
What happened at harty won't affect under age in dean or rice cups etc aa different management there, to suggest it will Is incorrect.



Can't judge rochestowm in midelton gave no challenge but rochestowm very good team and more learned Wednesday final epic thriller in ag mhuire and them
It could be dress rehearsal for harty cup as draw quatre final could meet in draw being made Thursday night
One brilliant display was john o sullivan eligible next year in harty and minor at midfield.
Unusual pro type cork hurling in elusive, fast, skilful hands but very strong and tough and could be bolter cork panel if keeps it up
Under seventeenth panel will be superb at midfield if they pick passage ronan Harrington and sullivan together, two tough hurlers, by Christ have they hurling though.




If ag mhuire win that game, then gunning must mark Kingston.
This is not rocket science, simple put best defender on best attacker.
Douglas have other threats but Kingston is main one
I dont mind who wins as long none get injured
As for midelton I said winning callaghan cup was no good them after last week so this could benefit them if management are asked serious questions regarding last three weeks results on the field.
Must be change in management.

Huge confidence in cork minors, landscape changed considerably my thoughts within week in I feared cork beating limerick twice but I have no no doubt the set back Wallis tactical absence limerick, he's knowledge cork was top class so no way will limerick despite having two good men in set up beat cork as they lack game management tactical innovative guidance now.

I said many times limerick thread and here Leo o connor be fine with tactical companion but he's imo going struggle big time with out one
Wallis didn't resign as some say he would actually stayed both roles limerick til year out but typical limerick same old limerick at board level, wants it all their way no compromise and they messed it up again.

Wallace done huge work them minors and had serious plans this year and really revolution of academy in magnificent radical change and this guy is hurling genius and yes he can manage a team and not just coach.

I feel for some coaches and players particularly as they will loose out again in limerick.
I did not think anyone can imo in blame current management be blamed for Wallis leaving it's usual few lads top board level run things

Huge huge week in cork gaa off field in Wallis leaving, huge loss limerick can't say in words how loss he I's, huge,hartnett joining minors, and Wallis midelton is going with rockiees deprive sarsfields county next year at club level
The brilliant announcement of Tracy Kennedy às first woman vice chair means Christmas arrived early for cork gaa

Went to Dublin v Waterford last night
I wanted to assess ger cunningham but wanted to see was waterford the shambles people say it is.
Cork have nothing to fear from Waterford in there three defeats in a bounce in challenge game no direction under mcgrath

Talking few there still embarrassed by last week game v wexford where they had no sub keeper and had borrow the wexford keeper
In this day and age. It's unthinkable
If it was rubgy and you had no prop you Could uncontest the scrums but to ask team for their player in senior intercounty Is just poor
I'm not insulting them, I like them but the eternal optimist can even see there in huge trouble



Dublin touch impressed me, ist game they had,,ed coughlan skills coming fore, lot off loading in the tackle and real intensity in the tackle
There going be a tricky game in league in Dublin
People must realise cork have to hit ground running in league not open for debate in out ist three games kilkenny, clare and dublin, all games we could loose,loose all three were in relegation battle.
Clare make no mistake are targeting Galway and cork in their opening games.
Win those you have breathing space
Kilkenny will target cork, and dublin will as cunningham has many in cork prove wrong, a dog with a bone so to speak.
So none this rubbish we can take league lightly, we can't.



Cork under twenty one football meant be trying challenge game midweek.
There flying in training absolutely hopping of the ground.
You can't beat great coaching.
Great I mean the great really great coaching is king in modern day Sport.
Teams win and loose by it.


On a final note

This talk on thread bout cork being just hurling county is total disrespectful imo to cork gaa

I see no one referenced post regards cork double regards cork football where he asked for debate in football in the last two pages.
Just ignored,no one wants talk cork football, especially prevalent in Some of the new influx posters joined just my opinion of course


They would do well remember this is cork gaa.
Not hurling or football but all things cork gaa



Good old thinks though often wrongly portrayed as enemy within, mentioned football, as I'm neither football or hurling or one club, Cork gaa is my priority in both men and women

Good job I'm back as thread be overcome with hurling and certain biased views, I'll imo keep it real at least and balanced between hurling and football.
Lot questions asked regards pat hartnett, nobody said was midelton coach under twenty one county set up successful winning team last year
Simply has to be mentioned

Lot big football news went on, no mention bar one poster
We must simply must give cork gaa attention it deserves.

Carrigtohill ex county wining coach linked To an inter county set up, top top coach.
Jamsie o connor not The clare native , in fact lismore originally, if he joined team linked though Could affect cork as cork team likely play them at some stage
You want a classic example great coaching and poor coaching look at carrigtohill under this exceptional coach Winning a county and look at them this year.
I said before watch out carrigtohill noel furlong top top young coach in the making, with ucc this year likely at some point join up dublin down the line
See things in a game many fail to see.
Everything you want in a coach.

Cork gaa deserves all its gaa gets equal recognition imo across all boards.

SchoolsFan wrote: »

Not the great game that many expected today. It was evident in the warm up that mentally the Midleton players weren't up for this game. They were veil lethargic and sloppy and there was no pace or intensity about them. On the other hand Rochestown looked very focused.

First Half:
The early minutes were tight with John Looney opening the scoring before Rochestown completely took over. Eoin O Sullivan put in some huge hits in midfield and won a lot of ball which gave Rochestown a great platform. Rochestown played most of the game with only 2 or 3 forwards in their opponents half. They left Powter and Cormac inside the 40 1v1 on their men and a third forward operated just inside their own half. This system worked to perfection for the opening game. Number 15 picked up a ball around midfield and played a lovely diagonal ball to Powter on the 21 but out to the left of the goal. This guy has fierce pace and is incredibly strong. He turned his man and ran at the goal, drew Ian Cahill the Midleton Full Back and popped the pall to Cormack who finished it with ease. Midleton torn apart yet decided not to play a loose defender in front of the two Rochestown forwards, which left them very exposed. Rochestown numbers 13/15 operated out in the middle third and were most effective as the second and third tackler and helped to turn over a lot of ball. Rochestown centre forward also played in around midfield and was very often in his own teams half, and amazingly the Midleton centre back followed him and left a huge gap right down the spine of the defence. Given this tactic midfield became very congested and there was an awful lot of rucks which wasn't pretty, the game didn't flow. Rochestown picked off some nice points before Powter once again isolated 1v1 inside scored the second goal and it really was all over then. Given the additional bodies Rochestown had in paid field their centre back Cashman simply dropped back on the edge of the D and shielded the full back line.

Second half:
Midleton move Ian Cahill from 3 to 14 but he didn't get near a ball for the entire half. Once again Rochestown played Cormac and Powter inside but Midleton finally played a man in front and this negated this treat greatly. Midleton introduced a few subs and this brought some life to the team. Butty McCarthy got the line rightly so for a second yellow, but the ref missed a wild pull on him by the Rochestown no5 just before that, so it was a case of him taking the law into his own hands. Ironically after he walked Midleton enjoyed their beat spell and began to run at the Rochestown Half Back line and they created some chances and drew some frees, one such run leading to a great goal, potential weakness in this Rochestown team. Midleton played some lovely 30/35 yard passes from the HB line but lacked penetration inside and once again began to fall foul of Rochestown tactic of swarming midfield. Powter continued to threaten inside and he was denied by a great save with around 10 mins left. The game petered out from here and Rochestown were well worth their win.

To sum up it is hard to know how good this Rochestown team are, they play to a system that is similar to Donegal in football, leaving two forwards inside the forty and the rest swarming midfield and their own half back line, where they work and tackle with real aggression. The big question is will they persist with it once Kingston returns? Midleton showed in glimpses that they can play very nice hurling but were physically dominated today and they had no stomach for a battle. Granted they suffered a huge disappointment last week, but today was a huge opportunity for them to show what they are are truly made of and in a way they did.

On a side note it was not nice to see the behaviour of one manager/selector today. I presume this guy is a teacher and if so he left his school down. Foul language towards his own players and getting involved with the opposition players, when there was no need.

Super post absolutely brilliant

What do you make john sullivan
Would you have him on cork scene now

It makes sense wrote: »

Spot on with Midleton and the general malaise of the players, was at match and again decisions of Midleton management baffling landers no way fit why he started who knows, Dunne and McCarthy both looked like they did not what to be there no effort should have been pulled at half time, McCarthy definitely should have been subbed after first yellow as second yellow was on its way lads who were trying Cashman, Denny and O'sullivan all subbed, I got the impression that keep the names on take off the easy lads maybe that has been one of the problems with the team, no gelling no collective spirit rochestown completely the opposite played with hunger, desire hooked blocked and played a easy system two up top and hunt in packs to get the ball back and play early ball into Powter who gave Smyth a great battle.

I hope the midleton school looks at the current management structure because the players are there.

Players are there and coaching staff just got to pick right coaches

It's baffling that mcdonnell is consistently played as a half forward when he's best games been at centre back
That to me shows how poor management are.

Breadandbutter wrote: »

TTM, that's some poisonous rant towards me (what I could get through of it), your full of bile

You'd want to take a few deep breaths

Your ability and desire to twist comments and back them up with erroneous fact is mesmerising

I've clearly encroached on your space

You're bad for my health and I would have serious questions about your own

I'll air my views elsewhere ��

Don't forget to thank me

No rant but you made post regards me surely I'd right defend
It's okay for you to call my posts biased though and accuse me waffle soon said stop posting

Have I not right defend myself
I'm happy debate any points you made

Your post clearly tried undermine my posts and clear day you tried make remark between me and old user name

I have raises point purely posting wise regards players, feel free to debate and in your words my bias to some teams and players and your views regarding my posts style etc which you critised more than once before

And no I don't thank anyone for leaving
Not my style when poster leaves never was in my time here
I'd like debate nothing more or less cork gaa don't debate any other threads or ever have done.
I don't do agenda. Soley here talk gaa.

Figsy32 wrote: »

I'll go out to bat for B & B on this one.

I'll preface it by saying I don't know if Kingston is the most talented hurler or not, but I wouldn't say just because he didn't play senior hurling this year makes him any less talented than the others. He's a great talent in both codes, if there's a more natural hurler he'll be some player!

Douglas have a policy of not playing U17s at U21 and I presume that carries onto senior so it wasn't a case that he wasn't good enough but that he wasn't allowed take part.

Plus you're talking about a guy playing dual cork minor, harty, corn ui mhuirí and a dual club that go far in both championships. I'd argue it's nearly better that he's kept away from senior for another year, never last year! From what I hear it's football that's his first love but that's just grapevine stuff!

Totally agree lot you points


That's my point no one can say that he's above Tim o mahony or looney etc in he's brilliant talent but unproven senior club year

My point is he's equal to say he's best hard to agree when still more to do

Lot equals

If you were to pick full back in cork where no stand out candidates exists you Could say underage Sean o leary Hayes superb potential could go long long way in he doesn't imo have many equals

Smith614 wrote: »

Just because Mahony played senior does not make him a better player than Kngston. Mahony was on a poor Newtownshandrum team . Looney was average on a poor Aghada team. You do seem a bit obsessed with a few young players n the county. I don't think any senior team worth their salt would have to play u.17 players.
If playing for ur club at a young age is a way of judging talent then that's ur prerogative but most clubs of a high standard would not have to consider 17 yr olds.

I never said he was better never once

I said he's equal
And your right on poor newton team but performance was good great sign players

When brought on v Darren mannix nest club full back in cork done well considering mannix huge expierence

What do you make ed daly to Newtown

Smith614 wrote: »

Just because Mahony played senior does not make him a better player than Kngston. Mahony was on a poor Newtownshandrum team . Looney was average on a poor Aghada team. You do seem a bit obsessed with a few young players n the county. I don't think any senior team worth their salt would have to play u.17 players.
If playing for ur club at a young age is a way of judging talent then that's ur prerogative but most clubs of a high standard would not have to consider 17 yr olds.

Have u not seen the size of the 17 yr olds playing now a days their men not boys
Gary leahy was super this yr for killeagh
Dayna lee was super for piarsaigh
Shane Walsh was super for B Rovers
David dooling super for the Glen
All these lads only 17 or 18 and proved u can play senior and compete
And before it's said they are playing for poor teams in my opinion take out SARS and Middleton the cork senior championship is up for grabs

Smith614 wrote: »

Just because Mahony played senior does not make him a better player than Kngston. Mahony was on a poor Newtownshandrum team . Looney was average on a poor Aghada team. You do seem a bit obsessed with a few young players n the county. I don't think any senior team worth their salt would have to play u.17 players.
If playing for ur club at a young age is a way of judging talent then that's ur prerogative but most clubs of a high standard would not have to consider 17 yr olds.

Dywane lee , Gunning played for parsaigh this year. Leahy and landers for killeagh. Walsh & lenihan for bride rovers. Some clubs have to play 17/18 year olds. If they're good enough they should play

Rebel norrie wrote: »

Dywane lee , Gunning played for parsaigh this year. Leahy and landers for killeagh. Walsh & lenihan for bride rovers. Some clubs have to play 17/18 year olds. If they're good enough they should play

Landers didn't play championship with killeagh this yr and lenihan only played a couple on mins in their first champship match but did nt feature in the next three
I was tryin to make the point of the young players playing all the championship matches with their clubs and doin well and deserving to be playin

Was there other positions not up for election in the board? Is there not a Gaeltacht position? Coaching position? Was there votes ?

http://gaacork.ie/news/348249/Cork_County_Board_Officer_Elections_Results
List is there scarecrow2
Ricken must not got in