Cork GAA Discussion Thread

wackokid

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

I would rate him hugely as a pundits and he's piece this year on kerry and referee was brilliant and he's done some coaching course in new Zealand however no way absoultey no way should he or anyone be involved in cork senior set up unless they have some level of proven coaching with a team, preferably a senior team even in the club scene
Larry as sean said is the likely candidate as Larry said he was interested before

If so back to running up the hills in macroom and little ball training.
But look they will reap what they sow
You appointment poor management you can't expect to be successful.
Look at Japan in the rubgy.
There's success in the world cup isn't just a coincidence.
Eddie Jones was proven with Australia, south Africa winning the world cup when he was assistant, every team he was with he had success.
In any sport you need proven management.
A very basic common logic yet cork gaa fails to understand the value of this time and time again.

John fintan daly didn't get it twenty years ago after success with duhallow and Cork under twenty one so it's unlikely he'll get it now.

Is that a fact?

thinkstoomuch1

wackokid wrote: »

Is that a fact?

To answer your question no some is fact some is just a matter of opinion if that's okay.
Tompkins record as poor in management would seem to be a fact based on he's record overall.
Mccarthy record as a pundit would be good however as a manager the fact would seem he's record is he's coached no success at all.
If he has and I don't know about it fair enough but as far as I'm aware he hasn't.

As for john fintan daly the fact is he's a good record as the facts proved with cork under twenty one and duhallow years ago.
However as Cork double said you would imagine he's time has passed in if he didn't get in then it's unlikely now.
That part that I think he won't get the job now isn't a fact but rather my opinion.
Daly recently had success in the club scene in kerry and is a good coach.

The part about he being a good coach is just my opinion of course but I base some of that on the facts of he's success as a manager in recent times.

wackokid

That's OK

ShamoBuc

SARS win replay 4-15 v 1-14

archieknox

While being an avid follower of the Cork thread but admittedly not a regular poster it blows my mind how one man,still after all these years,has such a stranglehold on Cork GAA. I genuinely can't get my head around it. In a democratic country ye have what sounds like a dictator ruling on every significant role that becomes available be it on boards or in charge of county teams. Would I be right in thinking his train of thought is divide and conquer?

zetecescort

Carbery Rangers 0-13 Nemo Rangers 1-11 FT

zetecescort

Nemo v Castlehaven in the final this year so

big_drive

Lads anyone know of good hurling coaches who are available for next year?
Intermediate A grade team on the lookout and want to get the set up for next year sorted.
Someone here may know of current lads who are moving on etc and may be available

wackokid

Hard to credit that Lane is on the intercounty refs panel. This guy is pathetic. Deprived Ross a stonewall penalty in the last minute today and surely denying the club a place in the final. If he was in South America he would have been shot on the spot. As it was the Ross backroom team will be in trouble for accosting him after the final whistle. Apart from that terrible decision his overall performance was diabolical. Nemo won but only because of Lane.

Murphy from Nemo was equally stink in the second game and a Nemo man should not be doing this game at all when his club were meeting the winners in the final. He gave the Haven a penalty that defied belief. Price saved Hurleys low shot but the Haven scored a point from the resultant 45. Many other crazy decisions too numerous to mention but would have to say the best team won, just. John Hayes scored 6 points, 2 from play and gave his usual masterclass in intelligent football. 1-11 to 0-13 result.

Daniel Hazel from Skibb had a few runs with Cork in the league and is a good footballer. Well worth another go this year as he's fast, daring and has good positional sense. Donal Og Hodnett was class personified and they both almost dragged Skibb into the final. 1-13 to 1-10 result was just about merited. Those who think Dineen is an intercounty footballer are either closely related to him or know SFA about football. Young Michael Hurley didn't score but looks good on the ball while brother Brian was good and scored 1-5 with 2 from frees. He also missed a 21 yard free and had 3 more bad wides.

Strong wind blowing from Ballintemple towards the city end and both winning teams played with it in the 1st half, and building enough lead to hang on at the end. The games were destroyed by inefficient fussy whistlers and it's no wonder Cork football is at such a low ebb when these guys are put in charge of big games. I will think long and hard in future before forking out €15 to get frustrated by these whistlers and it's no wonder our young men are drawn to Rugby and soccer when they encounter such codology.

keep going

made the treck up from west cork today passing clon on the way up as did 95 % of the people at the match and missed the start of the nemo ross match due to traffic hold ups in innishannon.entertaining without exiting is the way id class both games with the right results even though the better footballers may not have won.the players that looked to have inter county potential were brian hurley,donal og ,ryan price,luke connolly i think nemo oshea at full back nemo and johnny rourke(the situation with his shoulder was tear inducing and could threaten his future career).the silence which greeted the nemo victory and the return of castlehaven to the final wont bring out much of a crowd-the biggest crowd might be from kerry.yes it looked a penalty but i was a long way away so i cant say but the treatment dished out to one player who i have been told was con cussed was disgraceful.castle haven are nailed on favourites and i think they will win but nemo are far better equipped to deal with them than any other team in cork

wackokid

Mother of God, did you not see Price's kick outs?
He handed the Haven 1-1 in the space of 5 minutes early on with crazy kick outs.
You did say you missed the start so I'll forgive you. Sadly he cost his club dearly today.
Yes, his kick outs improved and he saved a penalty but the harm was done. Wasn't a good penalty
anyway by Hurley. I think Nemo will be too smart for them in the final and Connolly, Kerrigan and Masters
are more dangerous than the Hurley brothers. All IMHO of course

Andre 3000

Predictions/thoughts for next Sunday's finals lads? I for one cannot wait.

keep going

yes prices kick outs were an issue but you were talking a gale of wind in that goal and there were two more great saves as well as penalty that kept them in the game.hurley was hitting the other 45 in the first half

commonsense.

Andre 3000 wrote:

Predictions/thoughts for next Sunday's finals lads? I for one cannot wait.

Sars by about 6 points. Hope I'm wrong though. Like to see Glen put City hurling up there again.

Gary Neville

archieknox wrote: »

While being an avid follower of the Cork thread but admittedly not a regular poster it blows my mind how one man,still after all these years,has such a stranglehold on Cork GAA. I genuinely can't get my head around it. In a democratic country ye have what sounds like a dictator ruling on every significant role that becomes available be it on boards or in charge of county teams. Would I be right in thinking his train of thought is divide and conquer?

I don't think that he sees it like that.

He regards his tenure as very successful. A Hurling AI in 2013 except for too much added time by a ref. A Munster Football and probable AI semi this season except for a ref mistake. Undeage is now in rude health again after an over-haul. Massive funding already in place for a state-of-the-art Stadium that'll be the envy of all. How could things be much better ?

The detractors are simple badly informed.

Ronan McCarthy will be fine as football manager and will be sensible about the budgetary contraints - we can't be appointing a football manager that's making demands about resources for team preparation. The players will get on with it - we'll be winning AI's soon again when the underage conveyor belt starts producing and we'll be filling PUC for munster finals v Tipp and Kerry before you know it. And sure if he's wrong then he was only the Runai, just there to take notes.

When you are right about everything - there's no need for devide and conquer - ask TTM.

thinkstoomuch1

Yesterday was good for cork football as the much better teams won in nemo and Castlehaven.
Roscarbery played awful truly awful slow ponderous methodical football which is fine if the end justified the means but it did not.
The better cuter more intelligent football was played by nemo and the city slickers are well coached by corkery and o brien who should have something to offer cork football at some grade down the line.

Roscarbery were led by the outstanding john o rourke who i am a huge fan of absoultey huge fan and he scored two points from play but he's work rate is magnificent and he's creates so much yet was never rated by the last cork managment.
As for john Hayes giving a master class fair enough it's an opinion but from frees he's good but he was average as he always is in big big really big moments of the game, and he missed vital goal when he took way too long to beat Martin

Again nothing personal against him before some one suggests that but this comment he gave a master class deserves to be debated, he got two from play, two many times got turned over in posession and had no real conviction.
Yes he was dancing feet and flashy moments but again he offers so much but doesn't give great performances.
Did he stand up when the need was greatest like masters or hurley for there team, no he did not.

James masters got two from play like him and so did john o rourke luke connelly not senior player got three from play and out scored him he's brother seamus got three from play point is there was much better than Hayes.
I would be of the view that anyone that thinks Hayes gave a master class yesterday is related to him and fair enough if so, point is Hayes only soley purely being judged on performance and he was good in moments but as a cork senior players you expect more and he while great servant cork, depending who management is next year he imo won't make the panel.
He's lucky clearly is out now as imo hurley who was magnificent, goulding o Neill and dan maceoin would be rated more by clearly.
Hayes is fine club Player on he's day but not good in tight games.
He's like Danny ciprani and Cathal Naughton and the former great duhallow man mark sullivan, he's blessed with natural skill and in loose open games he will be man of the match, but in close game he doesn't deliver.

Barry driscoll who didn't score yesterday but played in best positions by o brien and not half back had great games and worked off the ball something Hayes did not as Hayes always waits for the perfect pass.

It's ironic here at times, some here critics people that just judge few there favourite players on performance alone but are fast enough to make absoultey way over the mark comments on referees.
Yes lane was poor yesterday and imo i agree in reference to other referees not great but that's judgement on the field of play. It should be left at that, performance on the field.

To make a reference to what happened the in the world cup twenty years ago when a Colombia player was shot is way above the mark.
To suggest even to hints that yes that comment may be seen as sarcasm imo is not funny not funny at all at all especially the week it's been with such events in the world today.
At the end of the day lane is an ameauteaur.
Imo more appropriate comments would be something like he's poor referee not good for senior inter county standard and should be dropped.
Nothing wrong with such a comment as that's purely performance related.


Also The management of ros should be fully reprimanded for the afters when the decision was made and whether this was or was not the right call, management can't take it in to there own hands and free for all.
It was not the correct call absoultey but no excuse for a referee to facing afters from management etc on the field
Make a complaint and go the papers by all means but management must lead by example.
In truth roscarbery and I rate there management made some poor decisions yesterday so rather than put blame on the referee they need to look at there own performance with respect.

It's pure nonense to say he cost them the game, absoultey nonense.
Nemo outscored ros from play by one seven to eight points so in essence the better team won.
Roscarbery fifth semi final in a row, they had no excuse, this is where you expect your leaders to stand up.
I would love them to win a county, but there time is gone now, as they haven't done it the last few years there's nothing to say they can next year.
I feel for john o rourke as he deserves senior county final as he's a great great player with huge potential for cork if development is right by a top coach with cork.




Roscarbery were absolutely ponderous in posession and even o brien in today's paper said it.
Yes it was a penalty but to be fair he gave roscarbery some soft frees also in the ist half so they can't claim to be victims.
It's much much better for cork to have nemo and haven in a county final as they have apart from John o rourke more players to offer cork football going forward and nemo are a cute team.
I'm not bothered who wins the final and I have admired roscarbery before but there type of football yesterday was just awful awful to watch and they had no excuse as they had unlike others three former or current inter county stars.
Masters gave a magnificent performance with two outstanding point one worth the admission alone and when the need was greatest.
Nemo outscored ros ten to four in the second half and the referee was not at fault for that which proves the better team won.

Haven have a great coach in James mccarthy and should be involved with cork football at some level.

Sean dinnen and I'm not a haven man was magnificent in doing what a midfielder should do, wins ball in the air and is a power house.
When you want a man when the need is greatest to win ball, stand up dinnen.
Has to be on the cork team next year.
He's not flashy and yes he needs part of he's game to be worked on but he's a rough diamond with good coaching.
Unlike some, he relishes a war of attrition and is just what cork lacked v kerry in kerry this year.

Collins was magnificent as was the two hurley.
For skib hazel had a good game but as past year showed cork not best cork have as in corner back galvin, shields, Cronin when fit, young power, or at half back in Crowley, dorman, clancy, Sean white are much better for county level
Hazel deserves credit for yesterday but he is not senior standard and Morgan didn't rate him at ucc says it all.

Hodnet was brilliant and deserves a call up and more chances with cork but the last manager only used him here and there and had no Idea how to use him.
All in all a great day cork cork football with by far this year the two best team in the final and either one has a good chance in munster where skib and roscarbery would not have had.
Just my opinion of course is all of the above.
Skib to be fair deserves huge credit for there huge improvement from last year to now and no coincidence there's been a change in coaching this year.
Definitely a team that will be strong next year.
As for roscarbery unfortunately there years away from a senior county title.

thinkstoomuch1

keep going wrote: »

yes prices kick outs were an issue but you were talking a gale of wind in that goal and there were two more great saves as well as penalty that kept them in the game.hurley was hitting the other 45 in the first half

Would totally agree
Price also had no midfield to aim at
We saw this with Ken Halloran cork in many times was questioned yet he was excellent this year for cork when on the rare occasions he had a midfielder to aim at

Price should be sub cork keeper above o shea as o shea was great but served he's time with cork
Price is a terrific agility shot stopper

thinkstoomuch1

Gary Neville wrote: »

I don't think that he sees it like that.

He regards his tenure as very successful. A Hurling AI in 2013 except for too much added time by a ref. A Munster Football and probable AI semi this season except for a ref mistake. Undeage is now in rude health again after an over-haul. Massive funding already in place for a state-of-the-art Stadium that'll be the envy of all. How could things be much better ?

The detractors are simple badly informed.

Ronan McCarthy will be fine as football manager and will be sensible about the budgetary contraints - we can't be appointing a football manager that's making demands about resources for team preparation. The players will get on with it - we'll be winning AI's soon again when the underage conveyor belt starts producing and we'll be filling PUC for munster finals v Tipp and Kerry before you know it. And sure if he's wrong then he was only the Runai, just there to take notes.

When you are right about everything - there's no need for devide and conquer - ask TTM.

Would agree with that post you have made some great points
Do you now think there's real change at cork board level as you preached here that lane was the messiah to change cork at board level
I think your reasonable to suggest now that while lane has a good gaa heart he simply has like other good cork ccb gaa members no real input cork gaa when big decision are made as if he did none of the scenarios this year would have happened

As for your comment regards me as you like few others decide to do just when proven wrong please refrain from such pedantic views
Just to be clear I'm not always right as I like yourself expected cleary get it but unlike you I expected this on other support, I'm not naive to think like you that one scenario things change
I don't think mccarthy will get the job however you can't tell with cork
It should be interesting though as mccarthy will probably win a few games against roscommon and mayo and you will change view and tell us you see real change and Cork have postive signs just like you did when cork drew with kerry and you failed absoultey failed to see the huge problem cork had

Sometimes us with realistic views in popular times when it goes against views are wrongly seen as the enemy within which is not the case
Classic example is the rubgy world cup

Dean Ryan an very good pundit said before the Wales game and before in the telegraph I think was huge problems with England team
Of course some didn't want to hear it
He was seen as negative in some English quarters.
It was like how dare he questions the home nation and he being a English man.
He actually questions it causes truth be told he really cares about English rubgy deep down.
On the contrary you have guys like ciprani and other pundits like Woodward lavishing false praise on England as being great and better than what they are when no logic prove other wise and getting the plaudits and all there doing is creating false hype.


Now being a rubgy fan I don't credit any pundits now after English going out saying England are poor when one I Would only rate Ryan in Ryan actually went against hype called a spade a spade right from the start not being wise after the event


We see with George hook and David corkery who have all the last two weeks preached for cautious hype regards ireland as they correctly said ireland had beaten no one yet and they is still concerns going forward
That's exactly what you want when assessing a game.
Yes we're cork, and irish etc but my point is unless people realistic judge games we fool no one but ourselves as if fans see weakness in team have no doubt the top management of opposing teams do.
We had one performance from Barry o Driscoll v kerry and the media some hyped him to be our Karl lacey etc
On one performance.
He was actually poor defence wise v clare that some choose to ignore.
You said here he was outstanding decision by management to reinvent him.
No it wasn't and corkery and o brien who actually know more about there own players than cuthbhertt did won't or never will have him played as a half back
Kerry knew to target o Driscoll in the replay And they did..
Look at driscoll yesterday in he's natural position he had a fine game.




The next cork managment imo will be judged in who back room staff is and panel he named
Not on a few false dawns wins in the league but the management naming it's panel and back room staff will show have lessons been learnt from last year.
Wins in the league have to be kept in perspective.
The priority is staying up and getting a balance to the team.

You change views which is your opinion but you should not just for the sake of it with respect but I feel you get carried away with the hype at times.
I understand your view in yes your cork and you want to belive all is good and I geuinely respect that.
We had an interview with cork in league final with head line cork are building a new potent cocktail.
There was never any signs of this if cork performance were looked at rather than results taken as just results.
It was no surprise to people that followed cork closely that what happened in the summer happened.


Do you still think there's a change in cork.
Myself and you actually want the same in cork truth be told but the difference is until I really change is proven I'm not like you that are easily taken in.

thinkstoomuch1

ShamoBuc wrote: »

SARS win replay 4-15 v 1-14

Fair play to them but hopefully the glen will beat them sunday
Cork hurling needs glen to win
The past two county final glen lost to sars were playing week before
They have no excuse now sunday and hopefully should win
Horgan has played poorly in two county final he needs a good game now
Senior inter county all star there's no excuse now for him not to deliver a big final performance as he's always talked as great well great player performance in county final
That's a reasonable expectation imo to have

thinkstoomuch1

Dcrosskid the thurles dean Ryan panel is i was told from a tippeary person as follows
It may be missing a name or two and you probably will know the clubs
Most of the panel is there and like you say this panel is meant to be a team with a good chance this year
Chris carew
James Ryan
Edmund o Gorman
Rory darmody
donnacha Quirke
Barry mcgrath
Brian o Meara
Kieran connelly
Michael nally
Jack fallon
Conor crowe
Derry troy
Brian o Meara
Nathan slattery
Connor bowe
Darren flood
Anthony cooney
Jack Taylor
Zach Johnson
Aran Ryan
Paddy doyle
Paddy o dwyer
Sean butler

Anthony cooney and mcgrath are meant to be two hurlers that are promising from thurles side in cooney is a good forward while and Thurles to be fair deserves credit for what there doing at school hurling.
Interesting Liam Cahill tipp management who imo is a good coach said tippeary need more investment in the under age

The senior draws for the football and hurling are around the fifteen or so while the minor and under age are the week after
Great news in the minor hurling has been changed and a repeat of cork playing limerick after beating them can't happen again and every team gets three chances

thinkstoomuch1

Apparently mulchay and Kingston and landers are the candidates for the hurling. In cork though thinks can always change.
Hopefully Kingston with only from last year landers staying as a selector get the job.
I can't see the ccb giving landers the job as he was one of the strikers.
Landers has lot to prove before he would be senior management imo however I'd have him over mulchay and at least he's ruthless which is what cork need.

thinkstoomuch1

keep going wrote: »

made the treck up from west cork today passing clon on the way up as did 95 % of the people at the match and missed the start of the nemo ross match due to traffic hold ups in innishannon.entertaining without exiting is the way id class both games with the right results even though the better footballers may not have won.the players that looked to have inter county potential were brian hurley,donal og ,ryan price,luke connolly i think nemo oshea at full back nemo and johnny rourke(the situation with his shoulder was tear inducing and could threaten his future career).the silence which greeted the nemo victory and the return of castlehaven to the final wont bring out much of a crowd-the biggest crowd might be from kerry.yes it looked a penalty but i was a long way away so i cant say but the treatment dished out to one player who i have been told was con cussed was disgraceful.castle haven are nailed on favourites and i think they will win but nemo are far better equipped to deal with them than any other team in cork

I think the silence which are you correct in nemo getting to a final and indeed haven is unfortunately true but it's normally reflective of people with agenda against either imo

Take nemo in a lot don't like them but love or hate them they have been huge huge stand out bearers for cork football and indeed won most munster clubs more kerry team
Yes they have an ego and arrogance but fair play winners normally do and it's justified


As for haven few clubs west cork who still look envious at what haven such small club achieved in winning three munster clubs cork third ranked in munster roll honour and yes there usal talk poaching players will be said when simple truth the matter is haven deserve huge credit for the under age work and top coaching they have and people other clubs so easy critse them would actually do well to follow there example


Nemo are a credit to cork and not just a fine complex in yes have new place but still haven't lost there club ethos and are credit cork football
Haven with small resources again deliver on the big stage
In fact just my opinion of course but nemo and haven represent all that good about cork in nemo with all recourses available make the most of it while haven real football parish get every last inch out of there team

Unfortunately there can be only one winner but thankfully the two best team this year are in the final and at least offer hope to cork football when the general out look isn't good at senior


Credit to the barrs last week in the minor and there a team going places with fionn Murray who proved again you don't have been great player be good coach
I'm hearing good things about Murray and definitely young coach in cork with potential

CORKDOUBLE

TTM you mention about Fionn Murray the guy had unreal talent I remember the All-Ireland semi final in 2002 against Kerry when they hammered us ...Cork made a kind of a come back and Murray scored a great goal and nearly 2 other goals...he was a bit of a "header" but what talent ...he scored a goal against Clare in 2001 I think in the Munster championship with a "byckle kick " Was he manager of the St. Finbarrs Minors ? and there was a Cillian Murray playing with them any relation of his ? thanks .

DuffleBag

Always rated Fionan Murray as a player. Together with Podge Mahony they were the two characters of that 99 team. Happy days. Just a shame they didnt get that AI medal. 99 was a good year for Cork supporters.

Figsy32

Another county board meeting tonight and no movement announced on the senior jobs. Time's a wasting lads.

keep going

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

I think the silence which are you correct in nemo getting to a finajealousyindeed haven is unfortunately true but it's normally reflective of people with agenda against either imo

Take nemo in a lot don't like them but love or hate them they have been huge huge stand out bearers for cork football and indeed won most munster clubs more kerry team
Yes they have an ego and arrogance but fair play winners normally do and it's justified


As for haven few clubs west cork who still look envious at what haven such small club achieved in winning three munster clubs cork third ranked in munster roll honour and yes there usal talk poaching players will be said when simple truth the matter is haven deserve huge credit for the under age work and top coaching they have and people other clubs so easy critse them would actually do well to follow there example


Nemo are a credit to cork and not just a fine complex in yes have new place but still haven't lost there club ethos and are credit cork football
Haven with small resources again deliver on the big stage
In fact just my opinion of course but nemo and haven represent all that good about cork in nemo with all recourses available make the most of it while haven real football parish get every last inch out of there team

Unfortunately there can be only one winner but thankfully the two best team this year are in the final and at least offer hope to cork football when the general out look isn't good at senior


Credit to the barrs last week in the minor and there a team going places with fionn Murray who proved again you don't have been great player be good coach
I'm hearing good things about Murray and definitely young coach in cork with potential

Right ttm dont make sweeping comments about west cork when you dont know what gos on there.its not jealousy, but if behaving the way they do is the price of success, I think ill do fine without it, after all its supposed to be sport

EpicPothole

keep going wrote: »

Right ttm dont make sweeping comments about west cork when you dont know what gos on there.its not jealousy, but if behaving the way they do is the price of success, I think ill do fine without it, after all its supposed to be sport

What happened. I wasn't at the game, but I didn't hear about bad behaviour other that 5 black cards!

thinkstoomuch1

keep going wrote: »

Right ttm dont make sweeping comments about west cork when you dont know what gos on there.its not jealousy, but if behaving the way they do is the price of success, I think ill do fine without it, after all its supposed to be sport

I know a lot about west cork football and it's clear that haven aren't particularly liked
To me I couldn't actually give a toss as many haven fans are the same on how there viewed when the simple undeniably fact is they are a huge credit to cork football and from a small parish what they achieved in munster and Cork and given to cork football there a credit to cork
As for apparently went on the game like the other poster I'm a bit lost on that point so you would need to explain

As James mccarthy said after the haven do it for the parish
He said that in the paper

Haven are seen by some in West cork as there not popular as even seen here by posts down the past they not well popular
So my statement in fact was not a sweeping statement but one that is valid
And people fair enough are entitled to there opinion
The good thing for haven fans however is opinion can never take away from there huge success in cork football and at under age and have no doubt will get more success down the line quite simply cause the haven have now tastes success and are actually building a legacy
Just my opinion of course but any team in East west south or north or mid cork that does that I would tend to respect them

Corcaigh Abu1

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/cork-board-to-discuss-managerial-vacancies-357708.html

apparently Wallace didnt know there was a deadline to apply for the cork job..only in cork

thinkstoomuch1

http://www.eveningecho.ie/sport/castlehaven-deserve-huge-credit-for-their-consistency/967635/