Coming soon cars: new models for 2014/2015

fmcg_scribe

http://www.whatcar.com/car-news/coming-soon-cars-new-models-2014-2015/1206442?HAYILC=RELATED

R.O.R

fmcg_scribe wrote: »

http://www.whatcar.com/car-news/coming-soon-cars-new-models-2014-2015/1206442?HAYILC=RELATED

Got full details through on the New XC90 this morning, and expecting the Discovery Sport before the end of the week.

New XC90 PHEV is only about €3,000 more than the D5 (225bhp) but gives 320bhp + 80bhp, and only 64g Co2.

ofcork

Saw photos of the merc X6 rival and its as bad looking.

carsfan

Any chance you could put up details on the xc90 as I am interested in this model . Not here until April/May though?

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carsfan wrote: »

Any chance you could put up details on the xc90 as I am interested in this model . Not here until April/May though?

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/volvo/xc90/63546/new-2015-volvo-xc90-revealed-in-paris-pics-specs-video-and-full-details
http://www.evo.co.uk/news/evonews/293143/volvo_xc90_pictures_prices_and_specs.html

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ofcork wrote: »

Saw photos of the merc X6 rival and its as bad looking.

I'm sure that the Americans will love it.

colm_mcm

Saw something about a 5 door Audi TT coming.

bazz26

Yep, Audi TT Sportback:

fmcg_scribe

colm_mcm wrote: »

Saw something about a 5 door Audi TT coming.

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/audi/tt/88794/audi-tt-sportback-concept-revealed
http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/audi-tt-sportback-paris-motor-show-2014-10-1

Chris_Heilong

Nothing interesting for me bar the new MX5, is the Ford Mustang not being released next year?

R.O.R

carsfan wrote: »

Any chance you could put up details on the xc90 as I am interested in this model . Not here until April/May though?

Orders are open now, so should be here earlier than April I'd say.

I'll scan through it in the morning and see if there are bits i can put up.

70,950 for the D5 momentum 4wd from memory. Not selling the very basic model in Ireland and the 2wd model Will come later on

carsfan

Thanks for the info and links guys.
Looks like the front drive version of XC90 not out until September which would make it a 2016 car realistically.Pity,I think this will be the big seller when it comes and what I would have been looking for.

Alfa Quadrifoglio

Really like the look of the new FIAT 500x

http://www.worldcarfans.com/114101482818/fiat-500x-opening-edition-announced

Zubeneschamali

The next-generation S-Max will use the same chassis as the new Mondeo and feature a simpler, more sophisticated dashboard than the outgoing car.

The news is it's using an American chassis, so it'll be sh!t to drive, but they want to talk about a simpler, more sophisticated dashboard? WTF are they on about?

The S-Max, like the last Mondeo, had a perfectly simple dashboard with very clear analogue clocks and no messing. I'll bet money this new sophisticated dash is actually more complicated and difficult, not simpler at all.

ba_barabus

I was talking to a friend who is just back from the Salon de Paris who described the interior quality of the Mondeo as laughably shyte. Criticism centered around fit and finish being awful for such a new car and a show car at that.

I'm pretty surprised tbh as I didn't expect that to be the only thing he said about it.

Zubeneschamali

ba_barabus wrote: »

II'm pretty surprised tbh as I didn't expect that to be the only thing he said about it.

Well, you can't expect him to tell you it's shyte to drive after looking at it on a stand at a show...

It's an American model made over for the Euro market for twopence. It'll be another in the great tradition of Ford models abusing their names because the accountants said so. When they replace it, they'll probably have to bury the Mondeo name with it, like the Escort of old.

alias no.9

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

The next-generation S-Max will use the same chassis as the new Mondeo and feature a simpler, more sophisticated dashboard than the outgoing car.

The news is it's using an American chassis, so it'll be sh!t to drive, but they want to talk about a simpler, more sophisticated dashboard? WTF are they on about?

The S-Max, like the last Mondeo, had a perfectly simple dashboard with very clear analogue clocks and no messing. I'll bet money this new sophisticated dash is actually more complicated and difficult, not simpler at all.

Had a 2014 model year Ford Fusion as a hire car in the states a few months back, it's pretty much a Mondeo, or more to the point the latest Mondeo is a Ford Fusion since the Fusion launched first.

Zubeneschamali

alias no.9 wrote: »

Had a 2014 model year Ford Fusion as a hire car in the states a few months back, it's pretty much a Mondeo, or more to the point the latest Mondeo is a Ford Fusion since the Fusion launched first.

Yes, the Fusion was designed for Ford in the USA, where Ford make cheap crap. Now the new Mondeo is based on it, because Ford didn't have the money to build a proper car for Europe.

So it'll be crap. The reviews will say "Not as sharp as it's predecessor" or "Not as involving to drive as the MKIV" or whatever, but in 10 years, everyone will say "Pity that Ford had to sell that American crap in Europe because they were broke".

fmcg_scribe

ba_barabus wrote: »

I was talking to a friend who is just back from the Salon de Paris who described the interior quality of the Mondeo as laughably shyte. Criticism centered around fit and finish being awful for such a new car and a show car at that.

I'm pretty surprised tbh as I didn't expect that to be the only thing he said about it.

Well, you might want to reserve judgement until you see the car in the metal and inspect the interior:
Five reasons to look forward to the 2015 Ford Mondeo - What Car?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZSzc1SF5iU
2015 Ford Mondeo gets previewed by What Car? readers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQHCB6SB5qI

ba_barabus

fmcg_scribe wrote: »

Well, you might want to reserve judgement until you see the car in the metal and inspect the interior:
Five reasons to look forward to the 2015 Ford Mondeo - What Car?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZSzc1SF5iU
2015 Ford Mondeo gets previewed by What Car? readers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQHCB6SB5qI

I've no issue with the exterior, I've already seen one. I've never been in one however. TBH I think it looks too big for our roads. I reckon sales won't be good tbh.

fmcg_scribe

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

Yes, the Fusion was designed for Ford in the USA, where Ford make cheap crap. Now the new Mondeo is based on it, because Ford didn't have the money to build a proper car for Europe.

So it'll be crap. The reviews will say "Not as sharp as it's predecessor" or "Not as involving to drive as the MKIV" or whatever, but in 10 years, everyone will say "Pity that Ford had to sell that American crap in Europe because they were broke".

I hold no brief for Ford or the Mondeo but your comments are outrageous. It's true that many car makers want to make economies of scale and to share parts across models intended for different markets. However, Ford and others understand the differences in buyer preferences across different markets, especially the differences between European and US car buyers.

From http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/News/Search-Results/First-Official-Pictures/Ford-Mondeo-arrives-in-Europe---three-years-late/:
"The development team claims the Mondeo will feel quite different to the US-market Fusion, owing to new engines, bodystyles and even tyres for Europe.
They argue it's far from a three-year-old car."

From http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/News/Search-Results/Industry-News/Why-is-the-new-2015-Ford-Mondeo-so-late-to-arrive-in-Europe/:
"There’s no arguing that the fundamental architecture of the Mondeo is arriving nearly three years late. But Ford of Europe’s vehicle dynamics manager Geert van Noyen argues that the delay allowed Ford to fine-tune the new Mondeo for regional differences.

‘The all-new Mondeo is a brand new car to customers in Europe and we think it looks great, even after the new face of Ford debuted on the Fusion,’ he told CAR. ‘The car will arrive in dealerships in all body styles across Europe from November 2014.

‘In the time period between the Fusion launching in North America and the Mondeo launching here in Europe, Ford has added significantly new features the car that would not have been available previously. Pre-Collision Assist with Ford’s first global application of Pedestrian Detection technology is a key example of this, and we have done extensive work on the dynamics of the new Mondeo compared to the Fusion.

‘In Europe, it’s important to remember that we have a few crucial market differences: customers are allowed to drive faster, the payload is higher, standard tyres in Europe are summer tyres versus all-season in the US.’"

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ba_barabus wrote: »

I've no issue with the exterior, I've already seen one. I've never been in one however. TBH I think it looks too big for our roads. I reckon sales won't be good tbh.

Sales might not be great for other reasons but it's unlikely that the new car has substantially larger dimensions than its predecessor.

fmcg_scribe

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

The next-generation S-Max will use the same chassis as the new Mondeo and feature a simpler, more sophisticated dashboard than the outgoing car.

The news is it's using an American chassis, so it'll be sh!t to drive, but they want to talk about a simpler, more sophisticated dashboard? WTF are they on about?

The S-Max, like the last Mondeo, had a perfectly simple dashboard with very clear analogue clocks and no messing. I'll bet money this new sophisticated dash is actually more complicated and difficult, not simpler at all.

Ford is rationalising the number of platforms that it uses for global car production. Fusion and new Mondeo and probably the new S-Max will all share this platform:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_CD4_platform

Standardising on a small number of platforms has become the holy grail for most volume car makers. VW in particular talks a lot about this issue.

For example, BMW uses the same platform to build all the body styles of the current 5, 6, and 7 series - and the current Rolls Royce Ghost shares a lot of parts with the current 7 series.

Zubeneschamali

fmcg_scribe wrote: »

Ford and others understand the differences in buyer preferences across different markets, especially the differences between European and US car buyers.

And this model has nothing to do with the fact that Ford were stony broke when they needed a Mondeo replacement.

Yes, the engines will be different: I can't see a 1.0 Fusion selling very well in the states.

New tyres, for feck's sake. If you can't see through obvious PR like that...

Lurching

I like the look of the BMW 7 Series concept.
It'll be interesting to see if they can make the released version look anywhere near as aggressive.

fmcg_scribe

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

And this model has nothing to do with the fact that Ford were stony broke when they needed a Mondeo replacement.

Yes, the engines will be different: I can't see a 1.0 Fusion selling very well in the states.

New tyres, for feck's sake. If you can't see through obvious PR like that...

You can think what you like but it's better to stick with facts.

Ford has had a lot of problems in recent years but GM, Toyota, VW, and many others have had similar problems. In the case of Ford and GM, their European divisions have been loss making for some time and both car makers have had to make certain financial and technical decisions to keep operating in Europe.

In the context, why would Ford want to launch a new Mondeo in Europe before it had all its ducks in a row? That segment of the car market is under threat from compact executive cars and from small SUVs.

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Lurching wrote: »

I like the look of the BMW 7 Series concept.
It'll be interesting to see if they can make the released version look anywhere near as aggressive.

You mean this? http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/bmw/i8/88850/new-bmw-7-series-slims-down-for-2015

Test mules photographed so far are under heavy camouflage, so it's hard to say if the new 7 series will introduce a new "design language" for the brand. Right now, the most important thing for the next versions of the BMW 5, 6, and 7 series is that they are lighter than the current models. The weight of the current versions of those models is killing them in reviews, especially the M5 and M6.

alias no.9

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

Yes, the Fusion was designed for Ford in the USA, where Ford make cheap crap. Now the new Mondeo is based on it, because Ford didn't have the money to build a proper car for Europe.

So it'll be crap. The reviews will say "Not as sharp as it's predecessor" or "Not as involving to drive as the MKIV" or whatever, but in 10 years, everyone will say "Pity that Ford had to sell that American crap in Europe because they were broke".

I've driven the Fusion and I've driven older American pieces of **** like this



and this



back when they were still shiny and bright on the car rental lots. All I can say is that Ford USA has really upped its game. In older American cars, you knew it was an American car (or possibly a Korean car from that era), not so anymore. I think you're wrong if you think this will be regarded as anything less than a complete Mondeo in Europe.

R.O.R

carsfan wrote: »

Thanks for the info and links guys.
Looks like the front drive version of XC90 not out until September which would make it a 2016 car realistically.Pity,I think this will be the big seller when it comes and what I would have been looking for.

It's the Retail Price list I was sent for the new XC90, so no issue to put it up here - PDF attached.

As for the Mondeo, the interior is a little disappointing. Plastic around the radio is a bit cheap looking, but the rest of the cabin is of higher quality than the outgoing model. Not sure whether the new infotainment system will be a better way of running everything, rather than all the buttons. In some ways it looks a lot neater, but a big touch screen still looks a little strange.

Things like the Climate control temperatures can be changed either via the screen, or there are still separate buttons on the console - also can be done via voice control, which is very pointless. Using a Windows based system for the infotainment system, so will be interesting as to how well that works with Android / iPhone's. Still having fairly major issues with the new Insignia system on most cars, that Opel haven't managed to rectify - not sure whether that's Window's/Android or something else.

Physically, it doesn't appear to be as large as the outgoing model. Will be driving it later this month.

mailforkev

R.O.R wrote: »

It's the Retail Price list I was sent for the new XC90, so no issue to put it up here - PDF attached.

Only 2.5k for an extra 175 bhp must be the engine upgrade bargain of the decade. For a 70k+ car that's buttons to most potential buyers.

bear1

Can't believe Alfa still won't release the Giulia.
They must be the worst performing manufacturer in Italy at this point.. or even in Europe.