ADD-DUB-LAX

Preset No.3

.@flyethiopian to operate new Addis Ababa-@DublinAirport-@flyLAXairport service from next June. http://t.co/r2r3kPaO54

jamo2oo9

Your link is broken.

http://worldairlinenews.com/2014/10/10/ethiopian-airlines-is-bringing-the-boeing-787-to-dublin-and-los-angeles-starting-in-june/

Interesting and welcome addition. Thought it was meant to be a 777-300 I guess they revised their plans.

Preset No.3

So I assume you could fly the DUB-LAX route?

jamo2oo9

Preset No.3 wrote: »

So I assume you could fly the DUB-LAX route?

I'm not entirely sure, I thought I read somewhere before that airlines from outside the EU are allowed to make a scheduled stop in the EU but cannot pick up any passengers from that scheduled stop.

Maybe somebody else could clarify this more

owenc

No it was always a 787

Preset No.3

What about the Air New Zealand flight that goes AKL-LAX-LHR?

I know you can bool the LAX-LHR segment.

Preset No.3

Preset No.3 wrote: »

What about the Air New Zealand flight that goes AKL-LAX-LHR?

I know you can bool the LAX-LHR segment.

Ditto for the Emirates that goes via Milan and Rome. Kuwaiti via London to JFK etc. Depends on the freedom granted.

airbus125

Yes they will be selling tickets to irish passengers to LAX & ADD

Quote from DAA website

Ireland has granted Ethiopian what are termed fifth freedom rights, which enable the airline to sell tickets on all sectors of the new Addis Ababa to Los Angeles route.

Preset No.3

http://m.independent.ie/life/travel/travel-news/dublin-airport-announces-direct-flights-to-la-and-addis-ababa-30654702.html

man98

Great news, even with 3 flights a week. I'm sure there'll be good interest in the DUB - LAX sector, maybe some to Addis Ababa, who knows.

murphaph

Maybe an alternative and interesting way to go to South Africa too, with a stopover in Addis Ababa.

Time

murphaph wrote: »

Maybe an alternative and interesting way to go to South Africa too, with a stopover in Addis Ababa.

Hopefully it's competitive on price, I fly through IST at the moment but a quicker *a operated route would be fantastic.

L1011

DUB-ADD will be popular with the NGO sector for connection options and overall travel time compared to going via other hubs; assuming its priced competitively enough.

I suspect they'd be perfectly happy not being in a position to sell any DUB-XXX tickets due to everything being booked through but its a welcome back-up for sales.

Stinicker

This route should sell seats for Ethiopian as it will give a large part of the African Diaspora in Ireland a more direct route home to Africa without needing to transit via Heathrow, Amsterdam or Paris or flying to the UAE to connect with Emirates or Etihad, and for many the necessary transit visa situation would enable many to travel much easer due to the ROI being outside Schengen.

Ethiopian also offers a far more direct route to Johannesburg in South Africa than flying via Emirates and Dubai for example. Having direct service to LAX from Dublin is fantastic and with San Fran running by EI is even greater news.

Considering Ethiopian and United Airlines are both Star Alliance members I wonder if there will be codesharing eg. DUB-LAX with Ethiopian and then onwards to San Diego, Las Vegas or even Honolulu in Hawaii or would United opt-out preferring to keep the customers and route those TATL passengers via its Newark hub?

I have always had notions about visiting the African continent and with Ethiopian starting this next year it might never be a better time providing fares are ok, Ebola dosen't spread outside West Africa and of course that the 787 continues to be safe. Flying on the 787 would be my biggest concern particularly after the Al-Jazeera Documentary last month about the plane.

FuzzyDunlop100

This'll be the first schedule 787 at Dublin, right?

Happy days!

knockon

Looks like you can check in an extra suitcase too. Could save a family of 5 people €375 if everyone brought an extra bag back from LAX. (When you compare bag fees with EI from SFO to DUB)

Ethopian Airlines website......

Free baggage allowance on long-haul flights

For numerous long-haul flights the Piece Concept applies. This means that adult passenger may check in up to two pieces of baggage in addition to his carry-on baggage free of charge. Please check the chart below for the allowed weights per piece.

Economy

Across Atlantic from to U.S.A. - 2 pieces, 23 kg each

dm09

Stinicker wrote: »

This route should sell seats for Ethiopian as it will give a large part of the African Diaspora in Ireland a more direct route home to Africa without needing to transit via Heathrow, Amsterdam or Paris .

The majority of the African migrants in Ireland are from Nigeria, its only a 6hr flight to Lagos from Paris/London whereas the flight to Addis Abba will be about 9hrs and then its a 5hr flight from Addis Abba to Lagos, it will definitely be convenient for any East Africans living here also great to see a return of a Dublin-LAX service

smurfjed

Why did they grant them the 5th freedom rights? I would have thought that EI would have objected as this is setting a precedent that the Middle East big boys might like to follow.

I also sincerely hope that they hold passenger passports and hand them over in a large envelope to Irish Immigration, this would certainly be the best way to ensure that the aircrafts toilets do not get blocked!

man98

If EI never objected, they mustn't be too arsed over SFO expansion…

hfallada

man98 wrote: »

If EI never objected, they mustn't be too arsed over SFO expansion…

San Francisco and LA are about a 6 hours drive. I cant imagine a few flights to LAX from DUB will cut into their passenger number at SFO. If anything E,I could benefit from this new airline in Dublin. It allows them to get Ethophian Airline passengers that want to go to other parts of Europe and North America, that are just using Dublin for connecting to other flights. I can see EI gaining more from this new airline in Dublin, than what they could possibly lose.

man98

Someone going to Callifornia is going to Callifornia. I don't think this will impact much, but who knows.

L1011

man98 wrote: »

Someone going to Callifornia is going to Callifornia. I don't think this will impact much, but who knows.

That's about the same as suggesting that someone who wants to fly to Amsterdam will fly to Paris instead.

Being 3 days a week rather than 7 as EI to SFO will be will have an impact though.

LiamaDelta

I used to use LHR-ADD regularly when working there. Probably not that much demand from DUB (apart from the NGO sector as mentioned earlier) but definitely will be a benefit for people to connect to other parts of Africa as Ethiopian one of the 'better' African airlines. They used to be very competitive on price not sure how they are now though. I often met people travelling via LHR and ADD onwards to other parts of Africa as it was cheaper on Ethiopian than many of the European carriers.

Preset No.3

You will be of a certain age to remember the extreme famine that happened in Ethiopia in the 80s. Did they every really recover?

If you look at the skytrax reviews on the airline, they seem to be a bit of a disaster. So will it be a very different story on the 787 and is there still a perception that African airlines are a bit hit and miss? I know its new aircraft service but what is the overall opinion of this airline?

LiamaDelta

LiamaDelta wrote: »

I used to use LHR-ADD regularly when working there. Probably not that much demand from DUB (apart from the NGO sector as mentioned earlier) but definitely will be a benefit for people to connect to other parts of Africa as Ethiopian one of the 'better' African airlines. They used to be very competitive on price not sure how they are now though. I often met people travelling via LHR and ADD onwards to other parts of Africa as it was cheaper on Ethiopian than many of the European carriers.

I imagine the african flights will be hub like Emirates and Etihad and passengers will transfer on to other destinations. It seems to be also what the airline is targetting

flazio

Will the stopover pax be using the US preclearance facilities while the plane is on the ground?

LXFlyer

flazio wrote: »

Will the stopover pax be using the US preclearance facilities while the plane is on the ground?

I would think that is the whole point of choosing Dublin.

LXFlyer

Preset No.3 wrote: »

You will be of a certain age to remember the extreme famine that happened in Ethiopia in the 80s. Did they every really recover?

If you look at the skytrax reviews on the airline, they seem to be a bit of a disaster. So will it be a very different story on the 787 and is there still a perception that African airlines are a bit hit and miss? I know its new aircraft service but what is the overall opinion of this airline?

Well they have the same rating as Aer Lingus, Delta, United, Iberia, SAS on Skytrax so they cannot be that bad!!

Tenger

FuzzyDunlop100 wrote: »

This'll be the first schedule 787 at Dublin, right?

The Dublin Spotters page on facebook may melt down, it was a bit OTT when the United B747 was here a few weeks ago.

Tenger

Preset No.3 wrote: »

.....So will it be a very different story on the 787 and is there still a perception that African airlines are a bit hit and miss? I know its new aircraft service but what is the overall opinion of this airline?

I would agree with the perception being there. But how much has changed over the last 10-15 years is hard to know unless you are involved.

I think Ethiopian would be at the top of the league for African airlines. Up there with SAA. They have been developing Addis as a continental hub for quite a few years now.

FuzzyDunlop100

lxflyer wrote: »

I would think that is the whole point of choosing Dublin.

Along with being able to tap into Aer Lingus's europe-wide feeder network

Jamie2k9

man98 wrote: »

If EI never objected, they mustn't be too arsed over SFO expansion…

They did object but not because of ET being allowed to sell tickets between DUB-LAX. They objected because the airline wasn't under EU or US regulations.

BuffyBot

smurfjed wrote: »

Why did they grant them the 5th freedom rights? I would have thought that EI would have objected as this is setting a precedent that the Middle East big boys might like to follow.

They may have done, but the government can't play special favourites to EI these days. With other airlines being granted fifth freedom rights in other states they would have to have some pretty good reasons not to. Throw in the fact that route growth and extra traffic in general is an economic win, it always seemed likely to be a given.

I also sincerely hope that they hold passenger passports and hand them over in a large envelope to Irish Immigration, this would certainly be the best way to ensure that the aircrafts toilets do not get blocked!

What a pile of twaddle. Should Turkish, Emirates and Ethiad do the same? After all, they yield significant traffic from that continent into Dublin as it is. Or should Ethiopian be singled out because it's "African"?

smurfjed

What a pile of twaddle.

So you are trying to tell me that you have never seen this being done?

Fred Swanson

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Tenger

FuzzyDunlop100 wrote: »

Along with being able to tap into Aer Lingus's europe-wide feeder network

Can't see that being an option without a codeshare deal. Why go to Western most country in EU to then head East?

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murphaph wrote: »

Surely he means that they'd hope to pick up passengers fed into DUB by EI etc?

In a similar can't really see them getting too much traffic doing Europe-DUB and then DUB-LAX on 2 seperate tickets. And can't see EI doing a deal with ET to allow seamless transfers onto the DUB-LAX flight when they have their own DUB-SFO, or even their DUB-ORD/JFK-LAX route via United/Jetblue.

murphaph

Tenger wrote: »

Can't see that being an option without a codeshare deal. Why go to Western most country in EU to then head East?

Surely he means that they'd hope to pick up passengers fed into DUB by EI etc?

smurfjed

Do any airlines hold passengers passports like that?

Yes, it used to be a lot more common before APIS, as the airline was subject to heavy fines by some countries, this lead to airlines either holding the passports or photocopying them in order to avoid having them flushed down the toilets.

FuzzyDunlop100

murphaph wrote: »

Surely he means that they'd hope to pick up passengers fed into DUB by EI etc?

I did mean that!

By all accounts Aer Lingus are doing a superb job in selling Dublin as a viable hub instead of Heathrow/CDG/Frankfurt when travelling to the USA.

So Ethiopian can tap into that market, and they'll be the first to fly from Dublin to LAX (can't imagine Aer Lingus are too impressed with having their eye wiped like that).

Granted there's no codeshare between Aer Lingus & Ethiopian, but given how easy it is for consumers to mix & match travel arrangements, I can't see that being an issue.

murphaph

FuzzyDunlop100 wrote: »

So Ethiopian can tap into that market, and they'll be the first to fly from Dublin to LAX (can't imagine Aer Lingus are too impressed with having their eye wiped like that).

Hmmm, I am pretty sure I flew LAX-DUB in 2000 with EI.

gordongekko

murphaph wrote: »

Hmmm, I am pretty sure I flew LAX-DUB in 2000 with EI.

He means going forward they will be the first to fly the route.

BuffyBot

smurfjed wrote: »

So you are trying to tell me that you have never seen this being done?

I asked you a question first

smurfjed

Should Turkish, Emirates and Ethiad do the same?

I guess that this is your question...

Each airline has to do its own risk assessment regarding delivering passengers into a jurisdiction with the correct paperwork in order to avoid getting fined. I know of at least one airline that holds passports of people traveling from certain "high risk" countries whilst the passengers are onboard the flight, the passports are handed over in an envelope at the destination. The airlines listed above might be happy with their ability to assess paperwork prior to departure and they do actually recheck the paperwork in their home bases prior to the onward journey.

Based on the corruption associated with visas/passports in Ethiopia, I wouldn't be happy that the required checks will be 100% effective prior to departure.

I would also like to see Irish immigration greeting passengers at the door of selected flights and checking documents prior to allowing them step onto Irish soil, this is exactly the process that is presently in operation in France and Germany for flights arriving from certain countries.

Fred Swanson

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BuffyBot

I guess that this is your question...

So basically, yes, because they are African. Is it coz I is black?

Ethiopan operate satisfactorily to other EU destinations. There is no evidence that Dublin would be any different.

I have had my passport checked at the door of the plane when arriving in Frankfurt from Turkey. I assume this is a common practice?

I've had it happen in various countries over the years

smurfjed

Is it coz I is black?

Wow.... didn't expect this discussion to descend to that level.....

BuffyBot

Well you put forward a theory with little evidence to back it up...so in the absence of that, what should a body think?

smurfjed

Speculations abound regarding what might have prompted the copilot to attempt such a brazen escape. Hailemehdin is not unique in seeking to exit his home country; the latest data from UNHCR found that in the first half of 2013, nearly 42,000 people sought asylum from Ethiopia. This could have something to do with with fear of persecution; Ethiopian security forces have been criticized for committing human rights abuses against anti-government activists and religious or ethnic minorities. Poverty is another issue, with at least one-fourth of the population living below the poverty line. http://www.ibtimes.com/hailemedhin-abera-tegegn-who-ethiopian-airlines-hijacker-why-was-he-desperate-asylum-1556121

So you don't think that precautions should be taken?

The top three countries of origin are Afghanistan, Iraq and Somalia. In Ireland, we get refugees from all over the world but the most frequent countries of origin are China, Nigeria, Pakistan and the Democratic Republic of Congo.http://www.irishrefugeecouncil.ie/information-and-referral-service/faqs-about-asylum

LXFlyer

We are talking about an airline that is a member of Star Alliance here?

Hardly in the same league as some other African companies.

I was wondering where the "dem durty immigrints and dere durty immigrint planez" argument would rear its ugly head. Thought it would be in AH to be honest.

Smurfjed, I presume you think the UKIP is a good thing then......