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Are you proud to be Irish?

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    #122
    smash
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    Being Irish isn't an achievement. Being of any nationality isn't an achievement. It's just something you had no control over. As such, I don't see a reason to be proud of it but I also don't see a reason to be ashamed of it.


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    #123
    BoJack Horseman
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    Peist2007 wrote: »
    The world is divided into countries, not hospital catchment areas, so i dont see your logic there

    How magnified does parochialism get before the abstract 'Pride' becomes silly?

    If someone is proud to be born in a village, is it any better than being proud of being born in hospital?

    Be proud of your footprint in this world, your works & your legacy.

    Pride in the randomness of your birthplace seems pointless.


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    #124
    The_Captain
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    I like being Irish, but I'm not proud of being Irish, it's not an accomplishment.

    Are you proud of having brown hair? Proud of being right-handed? Proud of having a seat on the left side of the room in maths?


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    #125
    jobbridge4life
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    smash wrote: »
    Being Irish isn't an achievement. Being of any nationality isn't an achievement. It's just something you had no control over. As such, I don't see a reason to be proud of it but I also don't see a reason to be ashamed of it.

    You see I accept that point, and as I said in my original contribution to this thread it is silly but I guess I just get wrapped up in it a little bit.

    Perhaps the word pride/proud is just not approrpriate. To my mind its like when people say 'to take a bit of pride in your area' they don't mean be 'proud' in the sense of YAY I was born here and therefor must believe this place is the best ever, they mean look after your area, work towards its betterment and enjoy the collective sense of whatever achievements you can come by.


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    #126
    yourdeadwright
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    I don't understand being proud of where your from, you have no say in it

    I think you should be proud of achievements not something you had no say in what so ever ,

    I’m Irish , I’m not proud to say it or at the same time embarrassed of it, its something i had no say in it at all,

    There's upsides and downside of living everywhere,


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    #127
    Yamanoto
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    I'm proud to be 6'2", with a genetic predisposition to glaucoma.


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    #128
    jobbridge4life
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    yourdeadwright wrote: »
    I don't understand being proud of where your from, you have no say in it

    I think you should be proud of achievements not something you had no say in what so ever ,

    I’m Irish , I’m not proud to say it or at the same time embarrassed of it, its something i had no say in it at all,

    There's upsides and downside of living everywhere,

    Again...

    are you proud of your parents or any of their achievements? Or are you just too enlightened?


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    #129
    Creative Juices
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    How Soon Is Now wrote: »
    Im more proud of being from Dublin then being from Ireland.

    I guess i have my moments the country has its good and bad points ive never been one of these in your face paddys though.

    I am not sure I am proud of Dublin. I was as a child and I loved the school tours there but it has got a lot dirtier and rougher than I remember.


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    #130
    BoJack Horseman
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    Yamanoto wrote: »
    I'm proud to be 6'2", with a genetic predisposition to glaucoma.

    I'm proud of my abilities as a lover, which few have gone so far as to deem "adequate".

    But of being Irish?
    No, don't see the point.


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    #131
    Laois6556
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    Being Irish is deadly, we have a great reputation in many countries. Everyone should be proud.


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    #132
    COYVB
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    I'm not proud to be Irish, nor am I unhappy to be Irish. I simply AM Irish, and since I had no hand in where I was born, I don't believe it's anything I have any right to be proud about


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    #133
    daviecronin
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    Im 100% proud to be Irish? We are the best simple as ;)

    I'm proud of what this country has done and is doing. We fought off the lads with guns with hurlies I mean come on? How many countries can give out social welfare to any poor auld beggar. I mean I know we give out about various taxes etc etc. and maybe we have right to? But the country has done a lot for us. Just remember it could always be worse. We as a society have a lot to be grateful for and we take it all for granted. Put yourselves in someone elses shoes for once ;)


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    #134
    BoJack Horseman
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    jobbridge4life wrote: »
    Again...

    are you proud of your parents or any of their achievements? Or are you just too enlightened?

    I'm proud of my parents.
    I'm neither proud or ashamed of the random location they were born in...... after all, its random.


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    #135
    jobbridge4life
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    BoJack Horseman wrote: »
    I'm proud of my parents.
    I'm neither proud or ashamed of the random location they were born in...... after all, its random.

    You had no influence on either. Logic fail.


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    #136
    COYVB
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    jobbridge4life wrote: »
    You had no influence on either. Logic fail.

    He is, however, made up from a mix of their genetic material. I reckon that probably gives him enough leeway to be proud of them


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    #137
    BoJack Horseman
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    jobbridge4life wrote: »
    You had no influence on either. Logic fail.

    I don't have to have an influence to feel pride?

    They are proud of my achievements, despite no direct involvement.

    Neither have any relevance to the random spot of soil we were born on.


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    #138
    jobbridge4life
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    COYVB wrote: »
    He is, however, made up from a mix of their genetic material. I reckon that probably gives him enough leeway to be proud of them

    And we are (mostly) all the result of the genetic mix of the relatively closed gene pool of individuals who have made up the population of this island over the past several thousand years... so...

    Ultimately I agree the notion of being proud is not appropriate but I think its a matter of finding a better way of expressing the sensation rather than simply writing it off altogether.


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    #139
    smash
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    jobbridge4life wrote: »
    You see I accept that point, and as I said in my original contribution to this thread it is silly but I guess I just get wrapped up in it a little bit.

    Perhaps the word pride/proud is just not approrpriate. To my mind its like when people say 'to take a bit of pride in your area' they don't mean be 'proud' in the sense of YAY I was born here and therefor must believe this place is the best ever, they mean look after your area, work towards its betterment and enjoy the collective sense of whatever achievements you can come by.

    But that's completely different. If that's the angle you're coming from then the question should be "do you take pride in Ireland as a country" which has nothing to do with nationality, it's to do with not wanting to live in a shíthole area or society.


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    #140
    Peist2007
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    BoJack Horseman wrote: »
    How magnified does parochialism get before the abstract 'Pride' becomes silly?

    If someone is proud to be born in a village, is it any better than being proud of being born in hospital?

    Be proud of your footprint in this world, your works & your legacy.

    Pride in the randomness of your birthplace seems pointless.

    Question is whether you are proud to be Irish. Are you? If not, then you're not.

    Also, biology and genetics should tell you your birthplace was not random. You have (probably) Irish parents. You were always going to be irish. Taking pride in the place where your anccestors hailed from etc and enjoying the buzz when a sports team from your place of origin, for example, wins at something, is a natural feeling from a social animal like ourselves.

    Taking a sense of pride in where you come is a trait shared worldwide. Therefore, it exists. Whether or not you are way too cool for it is another question.


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    #141
    ShadowHearth
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    I am not irish, but I live in Ireland for 10 years now. When someone asks me where I am from, I always answer like this: " I was originally Lithuania, but I feel more Irish then I ever was Lithuanian".

    I cannot legally say that I am proud to be irish, but I love being "sort of irish", even if it pisses off some people.


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    #142
    Laois6556
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    ShadowHearth wrote: »
    I am not irish, but I live in Ireland for 10 years now. When someone asks me where I am from, I always answer like this: " I was originally Lithuania, but I feel more Irish then I ever was Lithuanian".

    I cannot legally say that I am proud to be irish, but I love being "sort of irish", even if it pisses off some people.

    Well begorrah, a Lithuanian in Cork. That hybrid accent is something that I can't imagine.


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    #143
    jobbridge4life
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    smash wrote: »
    But that's completely different. If that's the angle you're coming from then the question should be "do you take pride in Ireland as a country" which has nothing to do with nationality, it's to do with not wanting to live in a shíthole area or society.

    I don't think it is entirely different. If you are to take 'pride' in something then you become proud of it.


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