Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - See Mod Warning in OP, 09/11

bucketybuck

PhlegmyMoses wrote: »

Tell me what is wrong then. Something concrete. I'm happy to listen to something that isn't supposition based on volume, which is a fallacy.

I don't work for the club, you aren't making any sort of point by asking me to provide evidence of what the support staff are doing whether it be right or wrong. There is no possible way for me to provide that concrete evidence, as everybody knows full well so your request is rather pointless.

The fact still remains, if you look at our injury record and wish to just shrug your shoulders and claim coincidence then thats your look out, but it is rather myopic.

Billy86

There, we're done. Now let's all just get on with our lives and pretend this never happened.

kryogen

Bridge93 wrote: »

West Brom have also only won one home league game which was Burnley. Everton have only won 2 away games one of which was West Brom the other actually Burnley. Everton were also quite depleted at OT.
But I do agree things are improving, stats though can be fixed to suit anyones argument as Larry is showing.

West Brom only winning one doesn't show that it was any easier to beat them though They had still only been beaten there once.

Your main point, that stats can be manipulated to suit a lot of things I agree with in principle, but it is a pretty simple way to prove that things are actually improving in relation to points, and you use your eyes to see that overall team performance is improved.

kryogen

bucketybuck wrote: »

I don't work for the club, you aren't making any sort of point by asking me to provide evidence of what the support staff are doing whether it be right or wrong. There is no possible way for me to provide that concrete evidence, as everybody knows full well so your request is rather pointless.

The fact still remains, if you look at our injury record and wish to just shrug your shoulders and claim coincidence then thats your look out, but it is rather myopic.

You could throw up some comparisons to other clubs in England and Europe to support or dispel the argument though.

Bridge93

kryogen wrote: »

West Brom only winning one doesn't show that it was any easier to beat them though They had still only been beaten there once.

Your main point, that stats can be manipulated to suit a lot of things I agree with in principle, but it is a pretty simple way to prove that things are actually improving in relation to points, and you use your eyes to see that overall team performance is improved.

Well they had only played 3 home games when Utd arrived. Beat Burnley, drew with sunderland and lost to Everton. Drawn with Palace since and lost to Newcastle. Poor results against average enough teams.
Thats what Im thinking. Those calling for Van Gaal based on the numbers need to use their eyes.

Adamocovic

Billy86 wrote: »

There, we're done. Now let's all just get on with our lives and pretend this never happened.

I just want to add



Ok I'm done.

kryogen

Bridge93 wrote: »

Thats what Im thinking. Those calling for Van Gaal based on the numbers need to use their eyes.

To my knowledge there is no genuine poster actually calling for his head, and criticism is fine, I would defend a lot of things, but he is deserving of criticism of course, he has not been perfect. There are two sides and both have valid arguments. Anyone calling for him to be sacked right now is best just ignored, you cannot reason with everyone.

Edit: To answer your edit, that they had only played 3 before us is irrelevant, their home form over the course of the season will show how strong they will prove to be there

PhlegmyMoses

bucketybuck wrote: »

I don't work for the club, you aren't making any sort of point by asking me to provide evidence of what the support staff are doing whether it be right or wrong. There is no possible way for me to provide that concrete evidence, as everybody knows full well so your request is rather pointless.

The fact still remains, if you look at our injury record and wish to just shrug your shoulders and claim coincidence then thats your look out, but it is rather myopic.

Actually, I am neutral in this. I have no real opinion either way because the only fact we have is that a decent amount of our players get injured. You are possibly right, but you are also possibly wrong. You have done no research into this past looking at the volume of injuries and you have made a judgement on the situation nonetheless. Pointing at numbers and trying to discredit what I'm saying as being myopic or that there is no other possible viewpoint is a ridiculous way to continue a discussion and is the very definition of myopia.

PhlegmyMoses

kryogen wrote: »

You could throw up some comparisons to other clubs in England and Europe to support or dispel the argument though.

And even then, all that would tell us is that our players get injured more than some but less than others. It still doesn't give us any real insight into why this might be.

It's fine to hold an opinion based on little more than supposition. Just don't try to argue that such an opinion has any real merit with any sort of confidence.

The Moldy Gowl

Larry, why would keane and o Neil be a better fit than lvg?

Your thing about lvg is that he is a spoofer, but what makes the other 2, not spoofers?

I'm interested in your madness and wish to subscribe to it.

The Moldy Gowl

I had no coffee left today

DARK-KNIGHT

Larry Wildman wrote: »

Not really - I just did a quick scan back over the pages and could see five references to us getting the 3 points. At home. To Crystal Palace.

As for the question raised around the timing of Van Gaal's sacking, it would make sense to wait until the end of the season to pass judgement. If we don't make at least fourth, then he should be sacked. Having said that, my view is that Van Gaal is the wrong man for the job. And every day that's given to the wrong man is a day less down the line for the right man. We were promised another Fergie but what we've been given based on results and cash outlay is another Christian Gross.

Larry are you really saying lvg shouldnt be there? how do i put a facepalm gif in here? FFS LOL

paulbok

Larry Wildman wrote: »

And just to try and provide a solution, rather than just highlight the problem, I would appoint Martin O'Neill and Roy Keane as my management ticket.

I would task them with rebuilding the club based on the philosophies of Clough and Ferguson.

Oh, and

LostBoy101

I think Larry needs to lie down..

Larry Wildman

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

Larry, why would keane and o Neil be a better fit than lvg?

Your thing about lvg is that he is a spoofer, but what makes the other 2, not spoofers?

I'm interested in your madness and wish to subscribe to it.

My aim is to get Keane in charge. The drop in standards as to what's acceptable is what irks me most. It started under Fergie in his final few years.

The Moldy Gowl

Larry Wildman wrote: »

My aim is to get Keane in charge. The drop in standards as to what's acceptable is what irks me most. It started under Fergie in his final few years.

Ok, and to what standard? Ipswich, Ireland, or Sunderland?

Will shouting at players work? Then what? He shouts, they get motivated, now what? Surely shouting at players telling them they are crap will have more negatives?

Shout at the other players, when they are parking the bus and defending, beating us?

Larry Wildman

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

Ok, and to what standard? Ipswich, Ireland, or Sunderland?

Will shouting at players work? Then what? He shouts, they get motivated, now what? Surely shouting at players telling them they are crap will have more negatives?

Shout at the other players, when they are parking the bus and defending, beating us?

I think Keane would be a great manager of great players. Not so great with bad players.

The Moldy Gowl

Larry Wildman wrote: »

I think Keane would be a great manager of great players. Not so great with bad players.

Why?

Surely the shouting and lack of any other ability will work better with limited players?

Tactics is a huge part of the game. A player can only hear so much of 'we are Manchester ****ing United' for it to be absolute bull****, you can't win games on reputation alone.

Why bother replying...

brinty

Larry Wildman wrote: »

My aim is to get Keane in charge. The drop in standards as to what's acceptable is what irks me most. It started under Fergie in his final few years.

Are you for real???
I sometimes think you're just being a WUM
WTF have keane and O'neill achieved in their management careers to suggest they are close to United standard... About as much as MOyes and we're still seeing the after effects of that absolute disaster..

Yes things are not perfect under Van Gaal, and yes results compared to this time last year are unacceptable but i'm 200% more confident in LVG than i ever was in Moyes

whats that saying about form being temporary and clas being permanent

Will I Amnt

Hope Swansea can hold out here...

homerjay2005

Will I Amnt wrote: »

Hope Swansea can hold out here...

City and everton draw,
liverpool and spurs lose
arsenal losing.

All things considered, its been an excellent weekend, if only LVG would get his act in gear now and our defence injury clears up we can attack a top 2 finish.

Will I Amnt

homerjay2005 wrote: »

City and everton draw,
liverpool and spurs draw
arsenal losing.

All things considered, its been an excellent weekend, if only LVG would get his act in gear now and our defence injury clears up.

Win the next game and there's a very good chance we will be in the top 4.
Hammers are away to Everton and Swansea away to City.

Hank Scorpio

Great result, Arsenal look soft

The Moldy Gowl

Sacramento wrote: »

Why bother replying...

Boredom and the Lolz. I love crazy.

advertsfox

Bring on Arsenal, all the results went in our favour this weekend so a win for us with Swansea being at City, Hammers at Everton we could easily be sitting pretty in 4th in 2 weeks time.

RobertKK

A good day and weekend for United.

Lord TSC

Right, a quick note.

I was out all afternoon and came home to find the mod reports had come sailing in. Grand. A yellow has been issued to Larry, as I believe he jumped the shark and needs to take a break, especially after countless warnings, both public and private.

There's not to be a discussion, there's not to be posts in here about it. The matter is not on topic at all, so let's get over it. Do not reply, do not discuss The point of this post is to make sure we don't get pages of a discussion about a user not here to defend himself, or see posters discussing matters mods will be dealing with.

A second quick note though; several people did engage rather than report, and in the process, break the charter. We'll be reviewing the last few pages and acting accordingly and if necessary.

Now, back to our regular programming.....

madcabbage

Let's hope for another few of these mad weekends, certainly won't be the last we'll see of it this season the way it's going. International break = serious pain in the hole!

The Moldy Gowl

Great weekend.

1 point off arsenal, 4 off man city. We would have taken that at the start of the season.

3rd or second isn't looking too far, if we get into good form. Don't think we should be worrying about west ham or Southampton. Take them out of the equation and we are in 4th with arsenal and man city well within distance.

Th Leicester match really ****ed up a lot of people's perception.