Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - See Mod Warning in OP, 09/11

Cantona's Collars · 09-11-2014 01:39PM

Hazard moving to Madrid could happen & that may see Bale heading to United:

http://www.le10sport.com/football/mercato/mercato-psg-chelsea-real-madrid-que-doit-faire-eden-hazard-170410

Lukker- · 09-11-2014 01:46PM

zerks wrote: »

Hazard moving to Madrid could happen & that may see Bale heading to United:

http://www.le10sport.com/football/mercato/mercato-psg-chelsea-real-madrid-que-doit-faire-eden-hazard-170410

I'd hazard a guess that Chelsea would be smarter than selling one of their best players and indirectly strengthening one of their rivals.

Cantona's Collars · 09-11-2014 01:56PM

Lukker- wrote: »

I'd hazard a guess that Chelsea would be smarter than selling one of their best players and indirectly strengthening one of their rivals.

I reckon Jose would be a bit better at spending £100 million than a couple of other clubs who got high fees for their star players.

Larry Wildman · 09-11-2014 02:08PM

Nuts102 wrote: »

Nobody he makes up things to go on a ramble all the time.

Not really - I just did a quick scan back over the pages and could see five references to us getting the 3 points. At home. To Crystal Palace.

As for the question raised around the timing of Van Gaal's sacking, it would make sense to wait until the end of the season to pass judgement. If we don't make at least fourth, then he should be sacked. Having said that, my view is that Van Gaal is the wrong man for the job. And every day that's given to the wrong man is a day less down the line for the right man. We were promised another Fergie but what we've been given based on results and cash outlay is another Christian Gross.

Larry Wildman · 09-11-2014 02:10PM

And just to try and provide a solution, rather than just highlight the problem, I would appoint Martin O'Neill and Roy Keane as my management ticket.

I would task them with rebuilding the club based on the philosophies of Clough and Ferguson.

The Moldy Gowl · 09-11-2014 02:13PM

Larry Wildman wrote: »

Not really - I just did a quick scan back over the pages and could see five references to us getting the 3 points. At home. To Crystal Palace.

As for the question raised around the timing of Van Gaal's sacking, it would make sense to wait until the end of the season to pass judgement. If we don't make at least fourth, then he should be sacked. Having said that, my view is that Van Gaal is the wrong man for the job. And every day that's given to the wrong man is a day less down the line for the right man. We were promised another Fergie but what we've been given based on results and cash outlay is another Christian Gross.

Probably because we played. Crystal. Palace. At. Home. And. Won.

Absolutely nothing wrong with saying it was a good three points, it was expected. But with Liverpool and man city dropping 2 points, it made a satisfactory 3 points a good three points.

Just because they are crystal palace dosent mean you should show them no respect. They are professional players in the top tier, not headless chickens.

The Moldy Gowl · 09-11-2014 02:15PM

Larry Wildman wrote: »

And just to try and provide a solution, rather than just highlight the problem, I would appoint Martin O'Neill and Roy Keane as my management ticket.

I would task them with rebuilding the club based on the philosophies of Clough and Ferguson.

Hahahahahaha Jesus ****ing marouane Christ.

There isn't enough gifs in the world for this.

bucketybuck · 09-11-2014 02:19PM

kryogen wrote: »

yet the style of play is better, the possession play is better, the team is starting to function better as a unit, both going forward and defensively. The progression is there to be seen and like last season when points followed performance, points will follow performance this season

Is it though? Is it really?

Because that horrendous points total didn't come from nowhere, the majority of our players are horribly out of form and playing like ****e. Mata comes in for three games and was rubbish, RVP has been rubbish, Rooney is offering little creatively, Jan has been rubbish, Di Maria is completely off the boil, Shaw has been rubbish until very recently, Rojo average until injured, and gods knows what Falcao would be like if he ever got on the field.

Thats why we talk about blind faith. People keep saying that we are progressing but in fact our extremely expensive squad of players are actually just playing shite. We have two midfielders playing at least passably well, so why is our superstar forward line misfiring so badly?

Cantona's Collars · 09-11-2014 02:22PM

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

Hahahahahaha Jesus ****ing marouane Christ.

There isn't enough gifs in the world for this.

This might do:

Mars Bar · 09-11-2014 02:27PM

Larry Wildman wrote: »

And just to try and provide a solution, rather than just highlight the problem, I would appoint Martin O'Neill and Roy Keane as my management ticket.

I would task them with rebuilding the club based on the philosophies of Clough and Ferguson.

You have got to be ****ting me?

Robson99 · 09-11-2014 02:28PM

MrMac84 wrote: »

You spelled Rooney wrong

No I didn't. We look very stale and one paced. Its time too shake it up a bit starting with Rooney and Rvp

hufpc8w3adnk65 · 09-11-2014 02:28PM

Mars Bar wrote: »

You have got to be ****ting me?

x2

bad2dabone · 09-11-2014 02:33PM

Larry Wildman wrote: »

And just to try and provide a solution, rather than just highlight the problem, I would appoint Martin O'Neill and Roy Keane as my management ticket.

I would task them with rebuilding the club based on the philosophies of Clough and Ferguson.

Brilliant, I'd love to see that trainwreck

The Moldy Gowl · 09-11-2014 02:38PM

zerks wrote: »

This might do:

Let me have my coffee and I'll find one.

Larry Wildman · 09-11-2014 02:40PM

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

Probably because we played. Crystal. Palace. At. Home. And. Won.

Absolutely nothing wrong with saying it was a good three points, it was expected. But with Liverpool and man city dropping 2 points, it made a satisfactory 3 points a good three points.

Just because they are crystal palace dosent mean you should show them no respect. They are professional players in the top tier, not headless chickens.

Dude, getting 3 points in a game that you should win when your rivals drop points in much tougher games is just par (i.e. what should happen, happening).

It's more logical to look at our draw with Chelsea and Liverpool's loss to Chelsea and say "we're plus one".

PhlegmyMoses · 09-11-2014 02:41PM

Mars Bar wrote: »

You have got to be ****ting me?

Of course he is. Everyone that reads this thread semi-regularly can see that.

PhlegmyMoses · 09-11-2014 02:49PM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

yes.

injury crisis after injury crisis is plenty of evidence, no matter how little you want to make of it. once every now and then is normal, but this has been happening since 2009 almost every year.

injuries happen, but we are at 35 since July and vast majority of them are tears or strains. go to any sports clinics, or speak to any decent physio, S & C coach etc etc and they will tell you that repeated injuries like this means that the medical set up is failing. in fact i did a S & C course about 3 years ago and the lad that was giving it said that if your players are getting injured, then you are failing at your job.

anyway, this has been discussed to the death before and people like yourself seem to believe there is nothing that can be done. i hope that LVG will sort it by getting the right people recruited (and apparently one new person has already come in as he is shocked at whats going on).

ah thats ok so, only the 30 muscle related injuries so since August....be grand. of the current 7 injuries, only 2 of them happened while playing. not sure how you can say Rafael, Jones, young were impact injuries as you dont know how they happened. Falcao "got a kick" apparently.

So basically, our number of injuries means that there is a problem within the club, some physio who you did a course with said so and the fact that a new guy was brought in suggests that LVG was "shocked at the state of things". So what you're saying is, this is your own personal opinion and you have little to no concrete evidence. Which is what I said. No problem with personal opinions at all, my post just asked if you had any evidence, which you don't.

Also, what are these 30 muscular injuries? Looking at Physio Room, I can't tell the difference between a lot of them. Both Jones and Falcao are down as the exact same taxonomy, which is vague at best. And we were told that Falcao took a kick that caused this.

ericzeking · 09-11-2014 02:52PM

Speaking of Clough...did ye see Fantasy football club this week? Des Walker was on and had some gems of stories about him, hilarious stuff.

The Moldy Gowl · 09-11-2014 02:54PM

Larry Wildman wrote: »

Dude, getting 3 points in a game that you should win when your rivals drop points in much tougher games is just par (i.e. what should happen, happening).

It's more logical to look at our draw with Chelsea and Liverpool's loss to Chelsea and say "we're plus one".

You're view is so backwards and niaive, it makes me sad.

You discrediting any win over a team below is just stupid. Disrespecting lower teams in the leauge is stupid. No team is ever gauranteed a win and if every top team or player had that attitude they wouldn't win many games.

bucketybuck · 09-11-2014 02:54PM

PhlegmyMoses wrote: »

So basically, our number of injuries means that there is a problem within the club, some physio who you did a course with said so and the fact that a new guy was brought in suggests that LVG was "shocked at the state of things". So what you're saying is, this is your own personal opinion and you have little to no concrete evidence. Which is what I said. No problem with personal opinions at all, my post just asked if you had any evidence, which you don't.

Sorry, but you simply cannot look at our injury record over the last five years and not come to the conclusion that something is wrong somewhere. Pretending otherwise is just head in the sand stuff.

PhlegmyMoses · 09-11-2014 02:57PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

Sorry, but you simply cannot look at our injury record over the last five years and not come to the conclusion that something is wrong somewhere. Pretending otherwise is just head in the sand stuff.

Tell me what is wrong then. Something concrete. I'm happy to listen to something that isn't supposition based on volume, which is a fallacy.

Vic Vinegar · 09-11-2014 03:04PM

I really wish people would stop feeding the madness. He obviously gets a kick out of saying stupid sh1te cos people talk to him then. It's incredibly sad.

ericzeking · 09-11-2014 03:06PM

Talent and quality wise I believe Rafael, Jones, Smalling and Evans are United quality however they are all injury and suspension prone. It is going to be interesting to see how LVG plays the situation out long term, it may come to pass that we will just have to cut our losses on one or two of them and buy some more reliable players.

If we just had some continuity and reliability at the back we'd have some chance with the attackers we have. We don't necessarily need world beaters just the same 4 on a weekly basis.

I don't think the club is at fault for the injury crisis...some people get injured more than others, they're human beings not machines...we just have most of our more injury prone players at the back.

If it was a systematic thing then surely a long serving player like, say Rooney would have a terrible injury record...he doesn't

Adamocovic · 09-11-2014 03:10PM

Larry Wildman wrote: »

And just to try and provide a solution, rather than just highlight the problem, I would appoint Martin O'Neill and Roy Keane as my management ticket.

I would task them with rebuilding the club based on the philosophies of Clough and Ferguson.

kryogen · 09-11-2014 03:10PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

Is it though? Is it really?

Because that horrendous points total didn't come from nowhere

I just want to deal with this point.

Yes it is improving, and it is also showing in the points, the last 6 games we have won 3 (West Ham, Everton and Palace) we have drawn 2 (West Brom and Chelsea) and we have lost 1 (City)

So that is 11 points from 18 with a considerably tougher schedule, Everton, West Brom away (only lost once at home) Chelsea and City, not to mention a riding high West Ham.

The first 5 games of the season we won 1 (QP****ingR), drew 2 and lost 2

Return of 5 points from 15.

If you can't spot an improvement from the opening series of games to the latest thats really your own problem. The team has been playing better and has been picking up more points. That is improvement and it has happened against tougher opponents.

So yes, it is improving, and the horrendous points total comes from the awful start to the season rather then a continuing trend of ****ty performance and ****ty results.

ericzeking · 09-11-2014 03:14PM

Larry is wild...like really wild... but both Keane and O'Neill have been mentioned for the United job in the past.

#justsaying
#inlvgwetrust

kryogen · 09-11-2014 03:14PM

Mars Bar wrote: »

You have got to be ****ting me?

No, I'm sure its a genuine opinion. Of course MON and Keane have a better track record sure, a better pedigree, they are doing very well with Villa also, the form team in the league you could say.

Bollix, everyone who reads the thread knows exactly what that post is for.

Will I Amnt · 09-11-2014 03:21PM

O'Neill and Keane could be a big help in getting Cattermole with their Sunderland connections.

Bridge93 · 09-11-2014 03:28PM

kryogen wrote: »

I just want to deal with this point.

Yes it is improving, and it is also showing in the points, the last 6 games we have won 3 (West Ham, Everton and Palace) we have drawn 2 (West Brom and Chelsea) and we have lost 1 (City)

So that is 11 points from 18 with a considerably tougher schedule, Everton, West Brom away (only lost once at home) Chelsea and City, not to mention a riding high West Ham.

The first 5 games of the season we won 1 (QP****ingR), drew 2 and lost 2

Return of 5 points from 15.

If you can't spot an improvement from the opening series of games to the latest thats really your own problem. The team has been playing better and has been picking up more points. That is improvement and it has happened against tougher opponents.

So yes, it is improving, and the horrendous points total comes from the awful start to the season rather then a continuing trend of ****ty performance and ****ty results.

West Brom have also only won one home league game which was Burnley. Everton have only won 2 away games one of which was West Brom the other actually Burnley. Everton were also quite depleted at OT.
But I do agree things are improving, stats though can be fixed to suit anyones argument as Larry is showing.

J. Marston · 09-11-2014 03:32PM

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

Hahahahahaha Jesus ****ing marouane Christ.

There isn't enough gifs in the world for this.

That doesn't mean we shouldn't try.

Larry Wildman wrote: »

And just to try and provide a solution, rather than just highlight the problem, I would appoint Martin O'Neill and Roy Keane as my management ticket.

I would task them with rebuilding the club based on the philosophies of Clough and Ferguson.

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