Mercola / Natural News as sources

Often pop up as sources on this forum yet you can pretty much guarantee that if this is your source then the the theory is complete nonsense. So why do people keep returning to these sites ?


Mod: as per post 10 and thread being reopened:

So is it possible for a qualified doctor to believe in supplements that " virtually remove all risk of developing cancer" or is he using his medical status as a cynical ploy to sell snake oil to the gullible ?


http://www.quackwatch.com/11Ind/mercola.html

Turtwig

Because they spout stuff that people desperately want to believe to be true.

Turtwig

Turtwig wrote: »

Because they spout stuff that people desperately want to believe to be true.

But surely after the 5 or 6th cancer cure that wasn't you would see them for what they are?

Juan More Time

Joseph Mercola is nothing more than a well educated snake oil salesman. Surely anyone with an ounce of savvy can see he just wants people to buy his pills and potions. The US food and drug administration have ordered him to stop making illegal claims about his products..

weisses

And the conspiracy would be ??

weisses

weisses wrote: »

And the conspiracy would be ??

As sources for many conspiracy theories I think it is relevant.

Do you see these websites as valuable resources or just there to trick the gullible in to buying snake oil maybe they help invent the conspiracies to help sell their products?

weisses

jh79 wrote: »

As sources for many conspiracy theories I think it is relevant.

Do you see these websites as valuable resources or just there to trick the gullible in to buying snake oil maybe they help invent the conspiracies to help sell their products?

You started the thread so its up to you to explain the conspiracy .. preferably with some links or other info that supports your theory

weisses

weisses wrote: »

You started the thread so its up to you to explain the conspiracy .. preferably with some links or other info that supports your theory

Well the lack of credibility of these websites is not in question just curious as to why these websites continually appear here and why those who use them persist with them.

I think , while not necessarily a conspiracy theory , it is still relevant to the forum. If a mod thinks otherwise so be it.

degrassinoel

Theories and information within the theories can be debated til the cows come home, unless there's an actual conspiracy theory about or from Mercola this doesn't adhere to the charter.

Locking thread.

OP if you want this reopened, with a relevant theory let me know in PM.

thread reopened per OP's request and updated OP.

So is it possible for a qualified doctor to believe in supplements that " virtually remove all risk of developing cancer" or is he using his medical status as a cynical ploy to sell snake oil to the gullible ?


http://www.quackwatch.com/11Ind/mercola.html

Brown Bomber

jh79 wrote: »

Often pop up as sources on this forum

No they don't.

jh79 wrote: »

yet you can pretty much guarantee that if this is your source then the the theory is complete nonsense.

So why do people keep returning to these sites ?[/QUOTE]
They don't.

Brown Bomber

jh79 wrote: »

So is it possible for a qualified doctor to believe in supplements that " virtually remove all risk of developing cancer" or is he using his medical status as a cynical ploy to sell snake oil to the gullible ?


http://www.quackwatch.com/11Ind/mercola.html

Quackwatch aren't exactly squeaky clean either to be fair.

Quackbusters Accused of "Racketeering" (RICO) in Colorado...

Brown Bomber

Brown Bomber wrote: »

No they don't.

So why do people keep returning to these sites ?

They don't.[/quote]

Since I've started following this forum Mercola and natural news have made regular enough appearances . Not as frequent as they used to be alright.

So you wouldn't view Mercola as credible? Would you agree his aim is purely to sell snake oil rather

How about natural news ? Mercola often appears as a guest contributor according to wiki.

Mike Adams makes even more outrageous and downright frightening claims than Mercola but with 7 million hits a month it mustn't be doing his bank balance any harm. Whether his many crazy beliefs are part of his business model I'm not sure.

Brown Bomber

jh79 wrote: »

They don't.

Since I've started following this forum Mercola and natural news have made regular enough appearances . Not as frequent as they used to be alright.

So you wouldn't view Mercola as credible? Would you agree his aim is purely to sell snake oil rather

How about natural news ? Mercola often appears as a guest contributor according to wiki.

Mike Adams makes even more outrageous and downright frightening claims than Mercola but with 7 million hits a month it mustn't be doing his bank balance any harm. Whether his many crazy beliefs are part of his business model I'm not sure.

I genuinely don't know who any of these people are. I don't visit those sites at all without reason.

Speaking only for myself, whoever they are or whatever their history I would at least try to judge their information on it's merits. Same with anything really - That is until the dam of lies bursts e.g. "insert IDF spokeman"

Brown Bomber

Brown Bomber wrote: »

I genuinely don't know who any of these people are. I don't visit those sites at all without reason.

Speaking only for myself, whoever they are or whatever their history I would at least try to judge their information on it's merits. Same with anything really.

Well every disease known to man has a cure on Mercola, a site run by an actual doctor!

An FDA warning letter for selling a supplement that he claimed "virtually removes all risk of developing cancer" , a doctor remember! Throw in anti-vaccines, anti-fluoride and AIDS / HIV denial.

Did a search of boards and while Mercola pops up regularly across the site to my surprise he doesn't appear too often here.

degrassinoel

jh79 wrote: »

Well every disease known to man has a cure on Mercola, a site run by an actual doctor!

Technically, he's right about that, the cures just need to be found first. Placebo's are very powerful drugs to some

Brown Bomber

jh79 wrote: »

Did a search of boards and while Mercola pops up regularly across the site to my surprise he doesn't appear too often here.

Me too, and about 50% of the time here it's you

Don't get me wrong, I get where you are coming from and largely agree with you but to me most of the useless **** we buy is based on fear and the consequences of not having whatever "must have" we are induced to "need".

It's not a million miles away from this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQ4W7yB9Mow

degrassinoel

degrassinoel wrote: »

Technically, he's right about that, the cures just need to be found first. Placebo's are very powerful drugs to some

He claims to already have them for sale.

Brown Bomber

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Me too, and about 50% of the time here it's you

Don't get me wrong, I get where you are coming from and largely agree with you but to me most of the useless **** we buy is based on fear and the consequences of not having whatever "must have" we are induced to "need".

It's not a million miles away from this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQ4W7yB9Mow

Don't know long you have posted here but there was a time when a different cure for cancer was posted on here practically every week from Gerson to Colloidal silver. A few poster even claimed to have cured themselves of cancer.

Torakx

I may have been one of those posters, years ago.
I have been down the rabbit hole and out the other side
What claims or theories I made I don't remember, but your welcome to search my profile and bring it up here.
I'm happy to explain the logic behind it and my motivations and anything I now consider to be false that I did not at the time.
If you truly wish to understand what is going on with people.

Regarding cancer, I suspect still that the causes are very much hidden from the general public and most likely trained doctors too.
I suspect that some treatments doctors use can be the root cause of cancer in cells.
I went down the whole road of looking at fungus as being cancer.
Over the years I have researched more on and off and consider it more likely that fungus is one of the results of these medications that are commonly used and this can mutate cells which causes cancer. But is not cancer itself. These funguses do act exactly the same as cancer and look exactly the same however.
They eat tissue while feeding on sugars, starting in the bowel and invading the bloodstream(also causing Cerbatious cists with infected bacteria in sacks, consider cists in the brain and brain cancer also). This would be my main suspect for the majority of cases of bowel cancer and possibly many other types of cancer.


Been to Mercolas site and he had good info on curing some of these underlying issues, however he is pushing expensive products that you don't need. you can use them alright, but you can also do just as well with natural home remedies as I have.
I became interested in this because i had the same thing from antibiotics and no doctor could ever cure it or identify it(at least 4 different doctors), also a professor in beaumont. however I spent a few years researching and i cured a majority of the issues. But I would have been dead in a few years had I not went and sorted it by myself. I could barely walk at the time I was seeing doctors.
Hence my conspiracy theories on the medical industry and Agenda 21 population control.
Cancer is big business and people are making massive profits out of sick people. Doctors I would suspect are causing cancer, unbeknownst to themselves. When you go to college as an average person you listen to the authority and you follow along. you graduate get experience and are given the MD's list of drugs and companies for drugs to prescribe.
That is the conspiracy worth looking into.


I don't have any firm convictions. I just have a lot of suspicions on various things with this topic and a lot of personal experience in curing and tracing back where these issues came from.
Whats great is my journey through research and conspiracies has helped me to find answers fast, I have also helped people cure ME as well, because it's exactly the same root cause.And many others with the same issue as myself have been in touch and found some relief.

There is so much to say on this topic....I forget half of my research regarding the conspiracy, but I believe i started a thread a few years back at the start of my research to figure out if the whole fungus thing was really cancer.

The motivation for people to go to Mercola and friends is purely out of desperation when seeing just how dangerous the alternatives are.
I survive and I am sad to say i am seriously starting to believe that many people are being murdered needlessly. because if the docotrs are soignorant, then someone must know very well and made this happen. Or are the "quacks" like me who go the natural cure root just paranoid, despite the cures to illnesses that have worked?

http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Chronic-fatigue-syndrome/Pages/Treatment.aspx
Check this out....

There is no cure for chronic fatigue syndrome (CFS), but treatments can help relieve the symptoms.

I had a friend in Norway diagnosed with ME/CFS. He had been to specialists for years. Spent most of his days lying in bed at home half asleep and depressed. And had lots of prescriptions too.
I gave him some diet tips to cure the same thing I had which had the same symptoms. He got better after a week....
Anecdotel to you maybe.. But tell me, if you experienced all this, wouldn't you start to suspect something is up?

Anything written above, is purely my own ideas or opinions and must NOT be taken as medical advice.
If you are sick, see a medical expert.
Hope thatcovers boards and mods in case their is any worry. It should I think. This is CT's...Not a health section.

enno99

Torakx wrote: »

I may have been one of those posters, years ago.
I have been down the rabbit hole and out the other side
What claims or theories I made I don't remember, but your welcome to search my profile and bring it up here.
I'm happy to explain the logic behind it and my motivations and anything I now consider to be false that I did not at the time.
If you truly wish to understand what is going on with people.

Regarding cancer, I suspect still that the causes are very much hidden from the general public and most likely trained doctors too.
I suspect that some treatments doctors use can be the root cause of cancer in cells.
I went down the whole road of looking at fungus as being cancer.
Over the years I have researched more on and off and consider it more likely that fungus is one of the results of these medications that are commonly used and this can mutate cells which causes cancer. But is not cancer itself. These funguses do act exactly the same as cancer and look exactly the same however.
They eat tissue while feeding on sugars, starting in the bowel and invading the bloodstream(also causing Cerbatious cists with infected bacteria in sacks, consider cists in the brain and brain cancer also). This would be my main suspect for the majority of cases of bowel cancer and possibly many other types of cancer.


Been to Mercolas site and he had good info on curing some of these underlying issues, however he is pushing expensive products that you don't need. you can use them alright, but you can also do just as well with natural home remedies as I have.
I became interested in this because i had the same thing from antibiotics and no doctor could ever cure it or identify it(at least 4 different doctors), also a professor in beaumont. however I spent a few years researching and i cured a majority of the issues. But I would have been dead in a few years had I not went and sorted it by myself. I could barely walk at the time I was seeing doctors.
Hence my conspiracy theories on the medical industry and Agenda 21 population control.
Cancer is big business and people are making massive profits out of sick people. Doctors I would suspect are causing cancer, unbeknownst to themselves. When you go to college as an average person you listen to the authority and you follow along. you graduate get experience and are given the MD's list of drugs and companies for drugs to prescribe.
That is the conspiracy worth looking into.


I don't have any firm convictions. I just have a lot of suspicions on various things with this topic and a lot of personal experience in curing and tracing back where these issues came from.
Whats great is my journey through research and conspiracies has helped me to find answers fast, I have also helped people cure ME as well, because it's exactly the same root cause.And many others with the same issue as myself have been in touch and found some relief.

There is so much to say on this topic....I forget half of my research regarding the conspiracy, but I believe i started a thread a few years back at the start of my research to figure out if the whole fungus thing was really cancer.

The motivation for people to go to Mercola and friends is purely out of desperation when seeing just how dangerous the alternatives are.
I survive and I am sad to say i am seriously starting to believe that many people are being murdered needlessly. because if the docotrs are soignorant, then someone must know very well and made this happen. Or are the "quacks" like me who go the natural cure root just paranoid, despite the cures to illnesses that have worked?

http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Chronic-fatigue-syndrome/Pages/Treatment.aspx
Check this out....

I had a friend in Norway diagnosed with ME/CFS. He had been to specialists for years. Spent most of his days lying in bed at home half asleep and depressed. And had lots of prescriptions too.
I gave him some diet tips to cure the same thing I had which had the same symptoms. He got better after a week....
Anecdotel to you maybe.. But tell me, if you experienced all this, wouldn't you start to suspect something is up?

Anything written above, is purely my own ideas or opinions and must NOT be taken as medical advice.
If you are sick, see a medical expert.
Hope thatcovers boards and mods in case their is any worry. It should I think. This is CT's...Not a health section.

Interesting you should bring up fungi I was putting together a couple of links

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMp1tef4lg4

We recently concluded a study to determine what works best at eliminating this contagious fungal infection that affects the skin, hand, scalp, groin, feet (athlete’s foot) and nails. We systematically reviewed all available data to determine how well each of the various topical and oral drug regimens eradicated the infection, whether there were any side effects and if the ringworm infection reoccurred.

Phytozine

Upon reviewing several top ointments, Phytozine came out number one because it produced immediate results in eliminating ringworm infections at different stages and associated symptoms. It did not cause irritation, redness, or dryness in people with sensitive skin. We chose it as the best ringworm product because it eradicated the contagious ring-like skin infection at the source, prevented it from coming back and left behind clear skin instead of scars where deep abscesses had formed

Prescription Drugs

Oral and topical medications like miconazole (Monistat-Derm), griseofulvin, terbinafine (Lamisil), clotrimazole (Lotrimin), oxiconazole (Oxistat) etc are designed to prevent fungi from growing and multiplying. They are typically available through doctor’s prescription and come in several forms: capsules, gels, creams, pills and sprays. The active ingredient is an antifungal agent that attacks the cell membranes of the organisms that cause ringworm in humans

It’s important to be cautious when using oral pills for ringworm as they have been linked to numerous adverse side effects which may include but are not limited to:

gastrointestinal problems such as constipation and diarrhea
headaches
vertigo
liver damage
anxiety
loss of taste
hives
nausea
fatigue

Tea Tree Oil


It has been used for hundreds of years to treat a variety of ailments including colds, wounds and skin problems. The oil has antimicrobial, antibacterial, antifungal and antiseptic properties that work together to fight off common infections like ringworm.

After diagnosis, the oil should be applied to the affected area twice per day until the rash goes away. It can take two weeks or more to see results. Though it comes from a natural source, tea tree oil should not be ingested. You should also avoid using it, or use it sparingly as a treatment for ringworm, if you are pregnant or nursing.

http://www.ringwormtreatmentreviews.com/

So Tea Tree oil does the job as well as the big pharma products and the number one ointment guess what it contains amongst other things
Melaleuca Alternifolia (Tea Tree) Leaf Oil

Griseofulvin (marketed under the proprietary name Grifulvin V by Orthoneutrogena Labs, according to FDA orange book) is an antifungal drug that is administered orally. It is used both in animals and in humans, to treat fungal infections of the skin (commonly known as ringworm) and nails. It is produced by culture of some strains of the mold Penicillium griseofulvum, from which it was isolated in 1939.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griseofulvin

(Santa Barbara, Calif.) – A drug that has been used for 40 years for the treatment of skin fungus has been found to be a possible cancer treatment, according to an international team of scientists.

Leslie Wilson, professor of biochemistry and pharmacology at the University of California, Santa Barbara, said that the anti-fungal drug, griseofulvin, has been shown to inhibit the growth of cancer cells in his laboratory. The results are published in today's online edition of the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

http://www.ia.ucsb.edu/pa/display.aspx?pkey=1318

So yea maybe the fungus idea has merit and if Tea Tree oil and garlic and other natural substances can kill fungi could it be possible they also have uses in treating cancers ?

Now if this Griseofulvin was around in 1939 let alone the Tea Tree and other natural cures what the fu+k were they doing with the radiation

In both your examples the natural product was not the most effective treatment.

Griseofulvin shows only a small anti-proliferative effect according to the summary you linked to.

Natural products in general are a source for new drugs rather than effective treatments themselves.

"Natural Products as Sources of New Drugs over the 30 Years from 1981 to 2010"

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3721181/

weisses

I still fail to see the conspiracy here ... Can someone( OP)present an angle which we can actually discuss ? Backed up with something better then that quackwatch waffle

weisses

weisses wrote: »

I still fail to see the conspiracy here ... Can someone( OP)present an angle which we can actually discuss ? Backed up with something better then that quackwatch waffle

The conspiracy is that no person with a professional qualification in a science field, in this case a medical doctor, would promote or believe in the majority of the "articles" on Mercola and that his website is a cynical attempt to fool the gullible in to buying snake oil. His medical background is cynically used to legitimize his false claims. He has many FDA warning letters to his name.

One product claimed to virtually remove all risk of developing cancer???

One a side note, Mercola and the closely related Natural News are terrible sources for medical matters bordering on parody.

weisses

jh79 wrote: »

The conspiracy is that no person with a professional qualification in a science field, in this case a medical doctor, would promote or believe in the majority of the "articles" on Mercola and that his website is a cynical attempt to fool the gullible in to buying snake oil. His medical background is cynically used to legitimize his false claims. He has many FDA warning letters to his name.

One product claimed to virtually remove all risk of developing cancer???

One a side note, Mercola and the closely related Natural News are terrible sources for medical matters bordering on parody.

But what is the conspiracy ? ... Not want to be pedantic but you say/claim possible foul play but are not presenting anything to support that theory

weisses

weisses wrote: »

But what is the conspiracy ? ... Not want to be pedantic but you say/claim possible foul play but are not presenting anything to support that theory

Google his FDA warning letters or have a look at either his or the Natural News websites and then remind yourself that this guy is an MD!

Plenty on google but will stick something up later.

weisses

jh79 wrote: »

Google his FDA warning letters or have a look at either his or the Natural News websites and then remind yourself that this guy is an MD!

Plenty on google but will stick something up later.

All fine but what is he conspiring to according to you ? Other then possible malpractice

I don't think it's up to me to google/find a possible CT when you as OP not even presented one

weisses

weisses wrote: »

All fine but what is he conspiring to according to you ? Other then possible malpractice

I don't think it's up to me to google/find a possible CT when you as OP not even presented one

He is using his status as a doctor to sell sake oil cures he also promotes other alt medicine conspiracy theories (fluoride , vaccines) to help generate business for his online shop. His medical background means he is aware they are a load of nonsense.

While I am not up to speed with the Quackwatch people and their credibility the article does explain the various run ins he had with the FDA, I will try to stick up some links later.

Do you read the stuff on Mercola, do you find it credible that a Doctor would believe in these theories?

weisses

jh79 wrote: »

He is using his status as a doctor to sell sake oil cures he also promotes other alt medicine conspiracy theories (fluoride , vaccines) to help generate business for his online shop. His medical background means he is aware they are a load of nonsense.

While I am not up to speed with the Quackwatch people and their credibility the article does explain the various run ins he had with the FDA, I will try to stick up some links later.

Do you read the stuff on Mercola, do you find it credible that a Doctor would believe in these theories?

So that would be possible malpractice ... Again something the FDA could and would tackle

I do read the mercola site and beside what you think about it I cannot see any conspiracy with it

When you put up your linkies later it would be nice to point out the specific parts regarding your CT

weisses

weisses wrote: »

So that would be possible malpractice ... Again something the FDA could and would tackle

I do read the mercola site and beside what you think about it I cannot see any conspiracy with it

When you put up your linkies later it would be nice to point out the specific parts regarding your CT

Not malpractice as he is not a practicing doctor anymore. More money to be made in snake oil it seems.

He makes claims of clinical effects of supplements that have no proven clinical benefit. As a Doctor he is aware that they have no clinical benefit.

http://www.fda.gov/ICECI/EnforcementActions/WarningLetters/2005/ucm076069.htm

"Eliminating processed foods with whole foods like chlorella will help to virtually eliminate your risk of developing cancer in the future."

This guy is a qualified Doctor so it is not a case of ignorance like most alt medicine snake oil sellers.

Torakx

Jh79, I think you are partly correct. He does promote products unneccesarily for profits. And I would agree that it is a rather large claim regarding the cancer one! He might be going with the fungus route to make that claim. Which is something I still consider to be possible.

He also gives good information on curing issues that doctors cannot cure...
I know this because the same "quackery" I spout about natural health and the origin of diseases, also sometimes comes from him(iirc, I rarely see his site etc, it doesn't come up in scientific research, like lab results on micro organisims), and the proof is in the pudding, for me. I have experienced my theories working where trained experts have been completely and utterly clueless. It was shocking when I first healed nearly completely. I felt like I had been screwed royallly, by those who are supposed to help us.

You are possibly coming from the perspective that trained doctors know what they are doing, so a snake oil salesman can only do harm. In reality most of Mercolas site is creating awareness of various issues and natural remedies that do not often have crazy side effects, especially compared to the drugs an "expert" would give you. He is informing and alsobeing a sneaky business man.
The other side of the coin are a massive majority of health practitioners, who prescribe artificial and often damaging drugs to manage symptoms instead of dealing with or finding the root issues(at least in some important areas, especially relating to the gut and that whole immune system).

What I'm saying is that I am not sure any side is NOT a snake oil salesman.
Which one does more damage in the long run? I have to say the most popular of tools must do the job the best.
People need to stoprelying on both and start learnign how their own bodies function. It's easy for me tosay, I got extremely ill for like..10+ years of my life. Which forced me to learn and I like that.
Others might not suffer enough to do this and die early due to bad diet and immune systems compromised.

Here is an article about fluoride and GAF from his website. While I'm not saying that a Doctor can't be anti-fluoridation , the section titled

"The  Low-Down About Fluoride: It's Toxic and It Doesn't Work"

Statements made it that section nobody with a 3rd level qualification in science would make.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2014/03/04/ireland-mandatory-water-fluoridation.aspx

But it does help increase traffic to his website.

Here is a link on Mercola that includes quackery about cancer being a fungus! A Doctor that thinks cancer is a fungus?

http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2012/08/03/15-years-of-promoting-quackery/

weisses

You still fail to point out what the conspiracy is here

weisses

weisses wrote: »

You still fail to point out what the conspiracy is here

No way a doctor could believe in any of the stuff he peddles but a gullible person may feel that there must be something to his claims considering he is a real doctor.

He also supports many other conspiracy theories to generate business. No way he believes in these theories and is just exploiting vulnerable people.

weisses

Just thought I'll put a CT here ... Because the OP keeps failing to put forward a proper CT.

Traditional, natural and alternative medicines
Many proponents of traditional, natural and alternative medicines claim that pharmaceutical companies and various governments and government agencies conspire to maintain profits by ensuring that the general public uses only modern medicines. For example, many countries have laws that prevent unproven medicinal claims from being printed on packaging, advertisements, etc., for medicines. Any substance for which medicinal claims are made are deemed "drugs". (See Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act.) Proponents of traditional, natural and alternative medicines often claim that since herbs, etc., are of natural origin, they are not drugs and that such laws fallaciously define them as drugs in order to control and ultimately limit or prevent their distribution thus ensuring profits for the pharmaceutical industry.

A variation on this conspiracy is claimed by Kevin Trudeau, author of Natural Cures "They" Don't Want You to Know About. He claims that in the USA, "they" (pharmaceutical companies, the FDA and FTC) conspire to withhold natural cures because "they" can make more profit selling long-term treatments, that do not cure, in perpetuity.

weisses

weisses wrote: »

Just thought I'll put a CT here ... Because the OP keeps failing to put forward a proper CT.

I don't think you like the idea of something you believe in being challenged. If you believe in the nonsense found on Mercola and Natural News then support their claims with evidence. How can you consider websites that say cancer is a fungus or that there is an homeopathic cure for Ebola as credible sources? How could any person be that gullible.

"Many proponents of traditional, natural and alternative medicines claim that pharmaceutical companies and various governments and government agencies conspire to maintain profits by ensuring that the general public uses only modern medicines"

Completely delusional, people who believe this are exactly the gullible types the likes of Mercola love.

Majority of alternative medicines have absolutely no clinical effect. Those that show some minor effects just provide a starting point for the development of actual medicine.

If alt medicine works where is the evidence. It is a big business they can afford to do trials.

weisses

jh79 wrote: »

I don't think you like the idea of something you believe in being challenged. If you believe in the nonsense found on Mercola and Natural News then support their claims with evidence.

Just to stop you right there ..... I don't mind a challenge but I get a bit tired of your ramblings about mercola etc without even providing a viable conspiracy regarding them

So far you gave your opinion about them but did NOT present a CT

Get a feeling you want your soapbox but I'm not entertaining that

weisses

weisses wrote: »

Just to stop you right there ..... I don't mind a challenge but I get a bit tired of your ramblings about mercola etc without even providing a viable conspiracy regarding them

So far you gave your opinion about them but did NOT present a CT

Get a feeling you want your soapbox but I'm not entertaining that

The CT is that he promotes ridiculous conspiracy theories around medicine to generate business for his webshop.

Do you honestly think Doctor would believe cancer is a fungus or that some old wives tales are enough to eliminate virtually all risk of cancer?

So why does he makes such ridiculous claims? Because unfortunately there are plenty of gullible people out there , the fact he is an MD might sway them into buying his snake oil.

He also appears on Natural News, a mind boggling crazy site, to fish for customers. He supports people like GAF in Ireland because he knows the type of people that get taken in by her are the same type that will buy his snake oil. He knows it is all nonsense but is clever enough to know he can take advantage of those who believe.

weisses

jh79 wrote: »

The CT is that he promotes ridiculous conspiracy theories around medicine to generate business for his webshop.

How is that a CT ?

Definition of a CT

conspiracy theory noun
: a theory that explains an event or situation as the result of a secret plan by usually powerful people or groups

So what is his secret plan regarding sales via his webshop ?

And maybe instead of posting only your opinion maybe you could post some relevant information regarding the CT angle you are trying to make

weisses

weisses wrote: »

How is that a CT ?

Definition of a CT



So what is his secret plan regarding sales via his webshop ?

And maybe instead of posting only your opinion maybe you could post some relevant information regarding the CT angle you are trying to make

One more time (I did ok this with a Mod by the way),

He is a doctor who helps promote conspiracy theories regarding health matters (eg anti-vaccines, cancer cures , anti-fluoride etc) not because he believes them to be true (he wouldn't of got through medical school if he did) but because he knows the type of person who would believe these outrageous theories would more than likely be gullible enough to buy his snake oil. He has made quite a successful business from promoting alt medicine nonsense on his own and other websites.

Would you not question the integrity of a doctor who contributes to Natural News or supports theories that cancer is a fungus? What would you think is his true motivation?

weisses

jh79 wrote: »

One more time (I did ok this with a Mod by the way),

I know but it doesnt mean you automaticly present a valid CT

jh79 wrote: »

He is a doctor who helps promote conspiracy theories regarding health matters (eg anti-vaccines, cancer cures , anti-fluoride etc) not because he believes them to be true (he wouldn't of got through medical school if he did) but because he knows the type of person who would believe these outrageous theories would more than likely be gullible enough to buy his snake oil. He has made quite a successful business from promoting alt medicine nonsense on his own and other websites.

Any source backing that up and to me that is not even a Conspiracy theory ... maybe a mod can shed some more light on this

weisses

weisses wrote: »

I know but it doesnt mean you automaticly present a valid CT



Any source backing that up and to me that is not even a Conspiracy theory ... maybe a mod can shed some more light on this

I gave links earlier to some of his strange views.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2003/08/27/impossible-cure-part-two.aspx

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/09/11/extraordinary-creative-and-psychic-powers-of-animals.aspx

http://www.mercola.com/article/vaccines/neurological_damage.htm

Coupled with his numerous FDA warning letter s and strange notion of cancer being a fungus, can a medical professional unintentionally make this many poor errors of judgement?

Or does he like to use his position as an MD to try and make these CT's seem somewhat legitimate and at the same time traffic to his webstore for his magic beans?

weisses

jh79 wrote: »

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2003/08/27/impossible-cure-part-two.aspx

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/09/11/extraordinary-creative-and-psychic-powers-of-animals.aspx

http://www.mercola.com/article/vaccines/neurological_damage.htm

Coupled with his numerous FDA warning letter s and strange notion of cancer being a fungus, can a medical professional unintentionally make this many poor errors of judgement?

Or does he like to use his position as an MD to try and make these CT's seem somewhat legitimate and at the same time traffic to his webstore for his magic beans?

What is the CT regarding the Three links you provided ? I can't see it sorry

Making money or generating traffic on your website is a CT how ?

weisses

weisses wrote: »

What is the CT regarding the Three links you provided ? I can't see it sorry

Making money or generating traffic on your website is a CT how ?

If you believe him to be genuine then there is no CT.

I don't believe he is genuine as a doctor there is no way he is taken in by any of these crazy theories.

He promotes GAF and contributes to Natural'News etc because he knows the people who do genuinely believe in these sites /people would be gullible enough to believe some seaweed will " virtually eliminate the risk of cancer" and he exploits this for his personal gain.

Are you saying you think he genuinely believes that cancer is a fungus ? Can you give an alternative explanation for why he would support such a theory?

weisses

jh79 wrote: »

If you believe him to be genuine then there is no CT.

Not being genuine does not mean automatically that there is a CT ... I gave you a definition of the meaning of the phrase conspiracy theory.

And secondly I asked you to point out the CT in your 3 links ... Can you point out the CT in any of the examples you gave ?

weisses

weisses wrote: »

Not being genuine does not mean automatically that there is a CT ... I gave you a definition of the meaning of the phrase conspiracy theory.

And secondly I asked you to point out the CT in your 3 links ... Can you point out the CT in any of the examples you gave ?

The links give a general feeling for the type of nonsense he is willing to put his name to. Don't focus on any one in particular just ask is it possible for a Doctor to genuinely believe in so much woo.

The conspisrcy involves promoting and legitimising conspiracy theories with his Dr title to identify and exploit irrational people for whom evidence of clinical effect is not as important as adhering to a world view that "big pharmacy" suppresses natural cures and similar flawed ideas.

How can he support 'cancer as fungus" and also Dr burzynski? Unless of course maintaining a healthy alt med / snske oil community to exploit is his true aim.

weisses

jh79 wrote: »

The links give a general feeling for the type of nonsense he is willing to put his name to. Don't focus on any one in particular just ask is it possible for a Doctor to genuinely believe in so much woo.

The conspisrcy involves promoting and legitimising conspiracy theories with his Dr title to identify and exploit irrational people for whom evidence of clinical effect is not as important as adhering to a world view that "big pharmacy" suppresses natural cures and similar flawed ideas.

How can he support 'cancer as fungus" and also Dr burzynski? Unless of course maintaining a healthy alt med / snske oil community to exploit is his true aim.

But again ...what you are saying above is your opinion. I have seen nothing in your postings that hints to a conspiracy ... I truly believe you are using the wrong forum to vent your outrage ... Maybe the skeptics forum would be more suited ??

weisses

weisses wrote: »

But again ...what you are saying above is your opinion. I have seen nothing in your postings that hints to a conspiracy ... I truly believe you are using the wrong forum to vent your outrage ... Maybe the skeptics forum would be more suited ??

Again I cleared it with a Mod first.

The fluoride thread didn't adhere to your definition of a CT either. It was just a discussion on whether you believed it to be harmful or not based on the publicly available research papers. A matter of opinion also. You had no problem with the fluoride thread.

The skeptics forum isn't suitable because there is no real evidence to back up the claims on Mercola or Natural News, there is nothing to be skeptical about.
For example what is there to be skeptical about concerning the theory that cancer is a fungus? It is a fact that it is not.

The conspiracy is based on why people like Mercola encourage such nonsense who gains etc how they manage to get these woo based theories into the public sphere, do they collaborate together , does Mercola take advantage of the ignorant people behind Natural News or someone like GAF?