Class division is real

better call saul

Something I've only discovered in the past few months, there seems to be an elite withing Dublin and it's environs, rugby and hockey playing scoffing at any mention of gaa, anti nationalism pro British agenda, is it just me or am I going mad?

Chucken

I don't know. I don't live in Dublin.

Is this a real thing or just online?

masti123

It's real, trust me

better call saul

Chucken wrote: »

I don't know. I don't live in Dublin.

Is this a real thing or just online?

Real of course, it's a different culture altogether, and hate that I've been mixed up in it

Banjo String

better call saul wrote: »

Something I've only discovered in the past few months, there seems to be an elite withing Dublin and it's environs, rugby and hockey playing scoffing at any mention of gaa, anti nationalism pro British agenda, is it just me or am I going mad?

Divisions in class is/was pretty bad. Especially when it's a double class. On a Friday afternoon. And it's sunny outside. You wanna be out there, shirt off playing football on the grass.

Not stuck in double maths doing long division. :mad:

hatrickpatrick

I wouldn't associate D4ism with pro-British...?

Dyr

better call saul wrote: »

Something I've only discovered in the past few months, there seems to be an elite withing Dublin and it's environs, rugby and hockey playing scoffing at any mention of gaa, anti nationalism pro British agenda, is it just me or am I going mad?

Stay off the dublin coast and you'll be grand, we do hate brits and love a bit of GAA once you move bit more in land

better call saul

Bambi wrote: »

Stay off the dublin coast and you'll be grand, we do hate brits and love a bit of GAA once you move bit more in land

Lol its nothing to do wit hating brits, just seems to be a hatred among this class for their own country, a disregard of nationalism and patriotism

Shakespeare's Sister

better call saul wrote: »

Something I've only discovered in the past few months, there seems to be an elite withing Dublin and it's environs, rugby and hockey playing scoffing at any mention of gaa, anti nationalism pro British agenda, is it just me or am I going mad?

"Is it just me" - are you having a laugh?! Surely you know people have thought this (and some of it is true) for years. Hardly a hidden thing.

better call saul

Shakespeare's Sister wrote: »

"Is it just me" - are you having a laugh?! Surely you know people have thought this (and some of it is true) for years. Hardly a hidden thing.

Well I've never heard much of it

Chucken

better call saul wrote: »

Real of course, it's a different culture altogether, and hate that I've been mixed up in it

Well if you're comparing Rugby fans and GAA fans, I don't understand it.
I live 20 minutes from Thomond Park and live in a town with a few former Irish rugby players. There is no snobbery/class division with them.

GAA is also huge here. I've never seen any differences in the people that follow either.

endacl

better call saul wrote: »

Lol its nothing to do wit hating brits, just seems to be a hatred among this class for their own country, a disregard of nationalism and patriotism

Depends on the definition of both 'nationalism' and 'patriotism', I suppose. If the old '800 years' chestnut is trotted out, well, yeah. That's a bit daft. Also inaccurate.

I like Rugby but don't like GAA. Does that make me part of this elite? Where do I sign up?

Chucken

Deleted User wrote: »

I like Rugby but don't like GAA. Does that make me part of this elite? Where do I sign up?

It depends. Do you support Leinster or Munster Rugby?

Awkward Badger

Have to say regardless of class, sporting interests or whatever else I haven't yet come across anyone I'd class as "Pro British Agenda". Whatever the fcuk that entails.

Chucken

Chucken wrote: »

It depends. Do you support Leinster or Munster Rugby?

Both, but would have to be Leinster if I had to choose.

Dyr

better call saul wrote: »

Lol its nothing to do wit hating brits, just seems to be a hatred among this class for their own country, a disregard of nationalism and patriotism

Shure what's de difference man? Sounds like you've been out around dem wesht brits and their notions for too long

Chucken

Deleted User wrote: »

Both, but would have to be Leinster if I had to choose.

Both is the correct answer

shruikan2553

I'm half English. Am I elite or just hate myself?

Banjo String

Banjo String wrote: »

Divisions in class is/was pretty bad. Especially when it's a double class. On a Friday afternoon. And it's sunny outside. You wanna be out there, shirt off playing football on the grass.

Not stuck in double maths doing long division. :mad:

Yep, class division was prevalent in my school too. 1st three years before we chose our own subjects, our year was divided into 4 classes - C, M, D, F.

Us pupils named the letters: C =Clever M =Mediocre D=Dunce F=Fick.

I was in C
*polishes prefects badge*

Chucken

shruikan2553 wrote: »

I'm half English. Am I elite or just hate myself?

You're a conundrum

WoollyRedHat

shruikan2553 wrote: »

I'm half English. Am I elite or just hate myself?

Hate yourself? You're Irish through and through then ( also half English).

JONJO THE MISER

better call saul wrote: »

Something I've only discovered in the past few months, there seems to be an elite withing Dublin and it's environs, rugby and hockey playing scoffing at any mention of gaa, anti nationalism pro British agenda, is it just me or am I going mad?

No your right but this was always the case with Dublin and Wicklow, if it wasnt for the south and west, Ireland would still be under british rule and most of the people there would love it.

ladhrann

Awkward Badger wrote: »

Have to say regardless of class, sporting interests or whatever else I haven't yet come across anyone I'd class as "Pro British Agenda". Whatever the fcuk that entails.

Eoghan Harris and John Bruton??

Awkward Badger

ladhrann wrote: »

Eoghan Harris and John Bruton??

What about them ? They are pro British agenda ?

wp_rathead

Ya the fecking West Brits going around wearing British Sports Jerseys!!!

..no.. no wait..

dd972

shruikan2553 wrote: »

I'm half English. Am I elite or just hate myself?

I bet your're sick and tired of being derided as a Plastic Henry by the born and bred ''SuperEnglish'' who look down their nose at you and mock your accent with the notion that ''your're just trying to be one of us because no ones more poetic,witty,whimsical, and authentic as we are, OMG we're sooo special !''

Super-Rush

Jaysus you got in early with this weeks Dublin thread and would you believe it, its been done loike a million times.

TL,DR?

The majority of people in most counties are bang on people, a tiny minority are cunts.

endacl

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

No your right but this was always the case with Dublin and Wicklow, if it wasnt for the south and west, Ireland would still be under british rule and most of the people there would love it.

Either or :rolleyes:

Not sure yet. Probably :rolleyes: though...

WilyCoyote

Chucken wrote: »

Well if you're comparing Rugby fans and GAA fans, I don't understand it.
I live 20 minutes from Thomond Park and live in a town with a few former Irish rugby players. There is no snobbery/class division with them.

GAA is also huge here. I've never seen any differences in the people that follow either.

You must be from Adare then. 20 mins to Thomand Park? Do you not know the national speed limit?

The Dagda

WilyCoyote wrote: »

You must be from Adare then. 20 mins to Thomand Park? Do you not know the national speed limit?

I was thinking Killaloe/Ballina.

DEFTLEFTHAND

I love rugby and GAA, listen dude the middle class don't have any hangups.

I'm a great fan of football also and the saddest thing I see is clowns supporting 'Yanited', Lolpool and Chelski.

Liverpool especially, their fans produce the biggest bullsh1t going. RAWK Meltdown on Twitter is always good for a laugh.

It pains me to see the real boys out there trying to make a stand. Ireland doesn't have much of a soccer culture because these sh1tes won't support the domestic league. You Jackeens for instance, you've 4 LOI teams to support, Pats, Bohs, Rovers and Shels (in the first division.)

Stop pissing around and start going to games.

suicide_circus

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

I love rugby and GAA, listen dude the middle class don't have any hangups.

I'm a great fan of football also and the saddest thing I see is clowns supporting 'Yanited', Lolpool and Chelski.

Liverpool especially, their fans produce the biggest bullsh1t going. RAWK Meltdown on Twitter is always good for a laugh.

It pains me to see the real boys out there trying to make a stand. Ireland doesn't have much of a soccer culture because these sh1tes won't support the domestic league. You Jackeens for instance, you've 4 LOI teams to support, Pats, Bohs, Rovers and Shels (in the first division.)

Stop pissing around and start going to games.

People dont watch premier league because of some defect in their character. They watch it because they enjoy seeing top quality players plying their trade. You dont get this with LOI.
Although I do agree, the tribalism engaged in by grown men for a team they have no real affiliation with is questionable.

Nodin

Awkward Badger wrote: »

What about them ? They are pro British agenda ?

Essentially.

Tail Docker

better call saul wrote: »

Well I've never heard much of it

Pfffftt. Totes bogger. As I said to Tarquin only the other day, while waiting for a tennis court to come free - "Sure they don't have a clue loike, bogball is their loife ffs".

cloud493

Awkward Badger wrote: »

Have to say regardless of class, sporting interests or whatever else I haven't yet come across anyone I'd class as "Pro British Agenda". Whatever the fcuk that entails.

Lots of tea and extremely greasy food.

DEFTLEFTHAND

suicide_circus wrote: »

People dont watch premier league because of some defect in their character. They watch it because they enjoy seeing top quality players plying their trade. You dont get this with LOI.
Although I do agree, the tribalism engaged in by grown men for a team they have no real affiliation with is questionable.

Football culture means something in England and on the Continent, supporting your local team whether it be Grimsby Town or Man United. Saying the masses support the best quality means you don't understand their culture, it's not a consumer product it's something that these men have ingrained in them from a young age.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0tkwqhXTc4

mikemac1

Of course, South Dublin elite Garrett Fitzgerald passed comment on Donneycarney local Charles Haughey that he had a "flawed pedigree"

We all know about Haughey. Wasn't his fault as he just wasn't bred of the right stuff :rolleyes:

suicide_circus

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Football culture means something in England and on the Continent, supporting your local team whether it be Grimsby Town or Man United. Saying the masses support the best quality means you don't understand their culture, it's not a consumer product it's something that these men have ingrained in them from a young age. Their born with it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0tkwqhXTc4

I guess I can only speak for myself and my pals, we would watch games from the premiership, bundesliga, la liga, Eredivisie, series A, champos, europa, WC because there is quality football on show. Quality football is a rarity in the LOI.

RobYourBuilder

suicide_circus wrote: »

I guess I can only speak for myself and my pals, we would watch games from the premiership, bundesliga, la liga, Eredivisie, series A, champos, europa, WC because there is quality football on show. Quality football is a rarity in the LOI.

Did you watch the Dundalk and Pats game on RTE last Friday? An entertaining game with some quality players on display.

Tail Docker

If only there were a place where we could talk about football...

Teyla Emmagan

Tail Docker wrote: »

If only there were a place where we could talk about football...

And if only everyone who wants to talk about football would go there :-)

I actually met someone who described themselves as a west Brit a couple of weeks ago. It's a moniker I have never heard anyone apply to themselves. She was working the eccentric vibe though, so that may have been part of it.

Santa Cruz

Tail Docker wrote: »

Pfffftt. Totes bogger. As I said to Tarquin only the other day, while waiting for a tennis court to come free - "Sure they don't have a clue loike, bogball is their loife ffs".

So that's where Tarquin was last week. I had searched everywhere for him as we had a tricky cricket outing against Douglas Newman Good

Balmed Out

What I've noticed is that pro - British or west Brit are terms ignorant or stupid people ascribe to arrogant / annoying people that they don't like or have anything in common with.

Pumpkinseeds

Bambi wrote: »

Stay off the dublin coast and you'll be grand, we do hate brits and love a bit of GAA once you move bit more in land

Speak for yourself, it sounds like I need to move to D4.:p

suicide_circus

RobYourBuilder wrote: »

Did you watch the Dundalk and Pats game on RTE last Friday? An entertaining game with some quality players on display.

Fair enough, an exception rather than the rule but I take your point that some if games can be ok

traprunner

In Dublin it's something like this:
1. Banker and Property Developers class
2. Horse Show class
3. Hockey class
4. Rugby class
5. Soccer class
6. GAA class (because they think everyone that likes GAA is a bogger)
7. Long term dole class

The_Captain

In Dublin, horses are for knackers. Horse Show class is solely for posh boggers with stables

seamus

Balmed Out wrote: »

What I've noticed is that pro - British or west Brit are terms ignorant or stupid people ascribe to arrogant / annoying people that they don't like or have anything in common with.

Pro-British or "West Brit" are derogatory terms used by small-minded simpletons to describe anyone who doesn't subscribe to the notion that Northern Ireland belongs to people who've never even lived there (read: Southern Irish) and that the IRA of the 1970s and 80s were freedom fighters rather than butchers and scumbags.

I would describe myself as specifically non-nationalist*, but I love GAA, have little interest in rugby or soccer and have never watched a hockey game in my life.

Class divisions only exist in your head OP. You put them there yourself to convince yourself that there's something wrong with people who don't agree with you.

*I love Ireland, but I recognise that I love Ireland because I was born here by pure chance and had a fun upbringing. I would be willing to fight to defend Ireland only insofar as I would fight to protect my family and our freedom. If a merger with the UK was proposed tomorrow which would result in a better and more prosperous democratic state, I would consider it.

Balmed Out

seamus wrote: »

Pro-British or "West Brit" are derogatory terms used by small-minded simpletons to describe anyone who doesn't subscribe to the notion that Northern Ireland belongs to people who've never even lived there (read: Southern Irish) and that the IRA of the 1970s and 80s were freedom fighters rather than butchers and scumbags.

I wouldn't give them so much credit, most people who use it to describe someone else have absolutely no idea of the others political beliefs.

johnnyskeleton

better call saul wrote: »

Something I've only discovered in the past few months, there seems to be an elite withing Dublin and it's environs, rugby and hockey playing scoffing at any mention of gaa, anti nationalism pro British agenda, is it just me or am I going mad?

Wait, you mean people are allowed to choose which sports to watch and what politics to believe in? Next youll be saying that they dont have to live their lives accordig to the parish priest's dicta!

Seriously though OP, you seem to know very little about Ireland. Limerick is the rugby heartland, dublin have good (but, sadly, not great) football and hurling teams and hockey is played on a limited basis in various parts of ireland (including Mayo for example -http://www.mayosports.ie/ProgrammesGrants/Projects/ ).

As for politics, if anti nationalist and pro british means being in favour of northern ireland remaining in the uk and giving up our territorial claim to it, thats 94% of the population according to the good friday referendum. So unless people in dublin voted twice and people outside of dublin not at all, it couldnt posssibly be just Dublin.

The real problem is that a lot of people dislike Dublin for reasons they cant explain, and some of them try desperately to try to identify something to show that theyre different folk!