Film forum off topic/random chat thread

johnny_ultimate

Kiki’s has one of the most ‘noteworthy’ dubs of the Ghibli films, mainly because of the cat and Phil Hartman’s performance. It’s a very different character in Japanese vs English - some due to cultural differences, but the it also represents one of the big ‘Disney dubs’ of Ghibli films from the late 90s and early 00s. It should be noted that Miyazaki and Ghibli approved the changes - they keep quite a strict control over international releases of their films after some bad early experiences, but formed a good relationship with Disney.

Lots on the Wiki page about that particular film: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiki%27s_Delivery_Service

The quality of dubs varies wildly with anime, from ‘grand’ to ‘very poor’. And yes the dub won’t always be the same as a more literal sub track - I have some sympathy there due to the cultural differences and fundamental timing / pacing differences between the two languages. A literal Japanese translation can sound bizarre when spoken in English. The worst case is when the dubbed version becomes the basis of the subs as well - ideally, they should be different: subs a relatively straight translation of the original version, and a dub somewhat more localised to make the speech flow better (while capturing the essence of the original writing as accurately as possible).

But I’m 100% pro subs and dislike even good dubs, even while I recognise there’s definitely a place for dubs (for younger audiences or those with reading difficulties in particular, but also just personal preference).

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119185130#Comment_119185130

Interesting, so Ghibli were ok with the Kiki rejigging? The choices were so acute, and often so blunt, it kinda robbed a little of the magic of the film in that short space I tried the dub. Hadn't realised that was Phil Hartman doing the cat.

I should say, so far loving Kiki; watching it in segments (yay parent life with newborn), but it's a wee cosy hug of a film. I wanna visit that nameless city.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119184264#Comment_119184264

That rings a bell. IIRC, Squid Game fell onto that trap, that the subtitles were all over the shop and really lost some of the characters' nuance in translation.

brevity

What I've found on Netflix isn't that when I'm watching a movie with the kids, I have the dubbed version on but subtitles on too and quite often the speech and text don't match up at all.

Edit: just saw pixelburp's initial post mentioning the exact same point 🙄

Also, congrats on the newborn pixelburp!

Agent Coulson

Justin Lin after walking out of Fast X will now direct One Punch Man for Sony.

Agent Coulson

Julie Garner to play Madonna in the Madonna biopic.

I think that is great casting for 80’s/90’s Madonna.

The Black Oil

Jeremy Renner missed his flight so Josh Brolin ended up talking to himself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxZoZK7-TQE&ab_channel=Variety

Agent Coulson

Greta Gerwig's Ken & Barbie

CastorTroy

They have nothing on the real live action Barbie and Ken

JP Liz V1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119186870#Comment_119186870

Congratulations @pixelburp on new baby

Slydice

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119213786#Comment_119213786

Oh cool! Congrats @pixelburp 🙂

JP Liz V1

Al Pacino says he would like to see Timothée Chalamet take over his role in a sequel to Heat - Variety

brevity

Anyone signing up for Paramount+?

Not much on it from what I can see.

silverharp

.gotta love Bill Murray

https://youtu.be/Btucy62hx3w

sterz

Does anyone know what mystery matinee film the IFI screened in May?

johnny_ultimate

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119246225#Comment_119246225

It was a preview of Men I believe.

Agent Coulson

Deep Fake

Sly as The Terminator

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71c80ab_TgQ&ab_channel=CtrlShiftFace

Agent Coulson

Reports today that Johnny Depp is being offered a chance to reprise his role as Captain Jack and make a cool $300m for a 6th film and a spin off Disney+ series.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119259424#Comment_119259424

Ridiculous carry on.

One court ruled in his favour, one court said the claims made against him were provable to the extent required by law. Several studio people testified that he lost work because he was unprofessional and belligerent on set. Multiple people said he's spent the last few years having his lines fed to him through an earpiece when on set. The only job they could prove he lost as a result of accusations was the Harry Potter spinoff one, and that was after the UK court ruled in favour of The Sun when they called him a wife beater.

Regardless of anyone's personal opinion on him and that case, this feels like a really calculated money grab, which shouldn't surprise anyone, but it feels like a massive risk too. Not quite Morbius "It's Morbin Time" levels of misreading a situation, but still pretty risky.

FunLover18

Depp's poor box office return has nothing with off screen stuff and everything to do with them being bad to mediocre films.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119259641#Comment_119259641

Exactly. He hasn't been a draw for a long time, and even the Jack Sparrow shtick is old now. A lot of the things that came out during both trials, about him in a professional capacity, would make you wonder why any studio would want to take a chance on him now, especially with all the other stuff lingering now too.

johnny_ultimate

A brilliantly-reported, bleak long read into Randall Emmett - a producer behind some of those infamous late-career Bruce Willis stinkers (and of course, we all now have a different understanding of why Willis himself featured in those films).

Quite the story: from temporary prestige and success working with Scorsese, to financial collapse and various misconduct allegations. And a rare insight into the outrageously generous contracts that get the likes of Robert de Niro to sign up to cheap schlock.

https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/business/story/2022-06-30/randall-emmett-bruce-willis-pacino-lala-kent

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119274815#Comment_119274815

Quite the article. Really incredible Willis can get $2m for 2 days shooting. I was thinking they might be getting 100K for these kinds of gigs 😅

Agent Coulson

Disney could lose the mouse.

Mickey Mouse could soon leave Disney as 95-year copyright expiry nears

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2022/jul/03/mickey-mouse-disney-copyright-expiry?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_gu&utm_medium&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1656837889

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119283530#Comment_119283530

I dunno. IIRC the Copyright Laws have been pushed before based on Disney money and clout, and I daresay there's a lot sloshing around Washington to keep the Mouse in the House. It'd be a financial disaster otherwise.

Though given Disney made itself an enemy of the GOP lately, around their opposition of the "don't say gay" bill in Florida, perhaps it ain't so cut and dry either. DeSantis already punished the corp by fecking with their tax status.

Was listening to a podcast the other day and they asked a pertinent question: who actually likes Mickey Mouse? The character, I mean. He doesn't do anything, has no personality compared with the Looney Tunes. Even Mario has more charisma, both being mascots.

JP Liz V1

Reese Witherspoon and Will Ferrell are headed to the altar in a new wedding comedy for Amazon Studios.

Amazon has landed rights to the untitled movie, from writer-director Nick Stoller, in which Witherspoon and Ferrell will star and produce under their respective banners

Variety

Agent Coulson

Kevin Bacon is 64!

https://twitter.com/kevinbacon/status/1545560100483452929?s=20&t=5-2TmMvc1TU0qZekkF0U5A

Fysh

Saw a trailer for the Rob Zombie Munsters film. I liked Zombie's earlier films, and even some good in 31, but between the pointlessness of "3 From Hell" and the trailer for The Munsters I think I'm done with his stuff unless he gets a script editor or starts directing scripts by other screenwriters. (Bonus points if he also stops using his wife in everything he makes, but I don't see that happening...)

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119335704#Comment_119335704

Good god, that looks horrendous. I don't mean the comedy or tone - but the actual technical aspects. It looks like a Student Film shot on an iPhone; even some of the audio had that unfiltered & echoed "We didn't have a boom mic" aspect to it. It can't possibly be getting a cinema release?

https://youtu.be/fnmBz3IGik4

Fysh

It's a Peacock production so I assume a theatrical release will be minimal, if at all.

johnny_ultimate

It's a production that looks bad on purpose, which is always a risky gamble. It clearly looks cheap and amateurish, but also Zombie's trying to emulate the feel of the cheapo retro sitcom it's based on. Does seem very iffy in that trailer, but hard to tell whether the 'bad on purpose' shtick works without seeing the final thing. But The Love Witch set a high bar for how retro sitcom throwbacks can look. Shoot on film, dammit!