GAA conspire to keep Hurling Final in crappovision!

Stinicker

So todays hurling final is being shown on RTE1 in a big departure from the status quo where most coverage is on RTE2HD.

RTE1 on satellite is shown only in standard defintion whether it be on Sky or Saorsat only SD crappovision only. I don't receive Saorview myself and am dependent on Saorsat and Sky so todays hurling final will be in Standard Def for me only. Meanwhile they are happy to let Sky show in HD and charge you for the privilege.

A thundering disgrace.

Dirty Dingus McGee

RTE changed the channel the match is shown on from RTE2 to RTE1 because Ireland are playing a match against v Georgia and therefore they consider the soccer match to be more important.Its RTE you should be having a go at.

jaykay74

Stinicker wrote: »

So todays hurling final is being shown on RTE1 in a big departure from the status quo where most coverage is on RTE2HD.

RTE1 on satellite is shown only in standard defintion whether it be on Sky or Saorsat only SD crappovision only. I don't receive Saorview myself and am dependent on Saorsat and Sky so todays hurling final will be in Standard Def for me only. Meanwhile they are happy to let Sky show in HD and charge you for the privilege.

A thundering disgrace.

GAA conspire ? Surely the channel RTE show it on was chosen by RTE themselves no?

theoneeyedman

Stinicker wrote: »

So todays hurling final is being shown on RTE1 in a big departure from the status quo where most coverage is on RTE2HD.

RTE1 on satellite is shown only in standard defintion whether it be on Sky or Saorsat only SD crappovision only. I don't receive Saorview myself and am dependent on Saorsat and Sky so todays hurling final will be in Standard Def for me only. Meanwhile they are happy to let Sky show in HD and charge you for the privilege.

A thundering disgrace.

Some call alright. I assume it's moved to accommodate the soccer on RTE 2, which will probably come via a crappy East European picture feed anyway.

adrian522

theoneeyedman wrote: »

Some call alright. I assume it's moved to accommodate the soccer on RTE 2, which will probably come via a crappy East European picture feed anyway.

Rte 1 is in HD on saorview, plug in an aerogel to the tv. Job done.

Stinicker

adrian522 wrote: »

Rte 1 is in HD on saorview, plug in an aerogel to the tv. Job done.

No saorview where I live just Saorsat which dosen't have RTE1 in HD either.

dxhound2005

Stinicker wrote: »

So todays hurling final is being shown on RTE1 in a big departure from the status quo where most coverage is on RTE2HD.

RTE1 on satellite is shown only in standard defintion whether it be on Sky or Saorsat only SD crappovision only. I don't receive Saorview myself and am dependent on Saorsat and Sky so todays hurling final will be in Standard Def for me only. Meanwhile they are happy to let Sky show in HD and charge you for the privilege.

A thundering disgrace.

Saorview serves about 98% of the population, so while you are losing out it is affecting only a small minority. Sky would already have been the only solution for outlying areas pre Saorview. I don't know why RTE 1 HD is not on Saorsat yet instead of SD but as you know that is not the only anomaly, you don't get TV3 at all. And of course any games on TG4 are only in SD as well. SD is hardly crapvision.

keeponhurling

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

RTE changed the channel the match is shown on from RTE2 to RTE1 because Ireland are playing a match against v Georgia and therefore they consider the soccer match to be more important.

That match was an absolute classic, it had everything from skill to intensity to late drama.
The second installment will be eagerly awaited and draw huge crowds to Dublin.

By the way, did anyone hear how the hurling went ?

MayoSalmon

The GAA are the most heartless money-whoring corporation in Ireland. What a shameful organisation they have become.

darlett

MayoSalmon wrote: »

The GAA are the most heartless money-whoring corporation in Ireland. What a shameful organisation they have become.

Nah.

sammy37

MayoSalmon wrote: »

The GAA are the most heartless money-whoring corporation in Ireland. What a shameful organisation they have become.

Just cos the game finished in a draw not really the gaas fault and what do you want them to become a loss making company with their hands out for subsidies all the time. Fair play to them for running such a successful company and i am delighted both teams get another chance as it would have been a shame to see one of them lose such a great game.

Borders no.2

Sweet god, some people would complain about anything. Have a look at the viewing figures for RTE1 V RTE2. Putting it on RTE1 actually increased its status.

Dirty Dingus McGee

Borders no.2 wrote: »

Sweet god, some people would complain about anything. Have a look at the viewing figures for RTE1 V RTE2. Putting it on RTE1 actually increased its status.

If there is a significant jump in the viewership for todays match due to it being on RTE One the GAA really should insist that the football final (and all future AI Finals) is broadcast on RTE1 as well.

dxhound2005

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

If there is a significant jump in the viewership for todays match due to it being on RTE One the GAA really should insist that the football final (and all future AI Finals) is broadcast on RTE1 as well.

But the point of this thread is that a small minority who cannot get RTE on terrestrial TV with an aerial have to either pay for Sky or get it on Saorsat. Saorsat is on a different satellite at 9 degrees east and for some reason RTE 1 is not in HD even though RTE 2 is. It was made mandatory that everyone had to be able to get a free RTE signal as part of the digital switchover despite the fact that even more of them had no signal in analogue times.

http://www.lyngsat.com/Eutelsat-Ka-Sat-9A.html

Barely There

The only conspiracy is to try to end as many matches in draws as possible.

For a game that has frequent scoring opportunities, it defies belief that so many matches require a replay.

dxhound2005

Barely There wrote: »

The only conspiracy is to try to end as many matches in draws as possible.

For a game that has frequent scoring opportunities, it defies belief that so many matches require a replay.

The odds today on a draw were about 10/1. If they had been 1000/1 I would give some credence to your theory. The odds next year will not be changed by the fact that we have had three draws in a row. They will be determined by who is in the final. If there is one overwhelming favourite they could be a bit longer than 10/1.

Dirty Dingus McGee

Barely There wrote: »

The only conspiracy is to try to end as many matches in draws as possible.

For a game that has frequent scoring opportunities, it defies belief that so many matches require a replay.

If there was an attempt to get so many draws out of GAA matches then why in todays match was a last minute free given to Tipp to win the game?

It would have been much easier for Barry Kelly to not award a free in that situation in order to get a draw out of the match.

Barely There

dxhound2005 wrote: »

The odds today on a draw were about 10/1. If they had been 1000/1 I would give some credence to your theory. The odds next year will not be changed by the fact that we have had three draws in a row. They will be determined by who is in the final. If there is one overwhelming favourite they could be a bit longer than 10/1.

Why would the bookies offer 1000/1 on a draw when they are so common in GAA?

Nonsensical argument tbh.

Barely There

dxhound2005 wrote: »

The odds today on a draw were about 10/1. .

Funnily enough, in most rugby matches, draws are priced in the 20's.

A game with less frequent scoring opportunities, and there is less than half the chance of the match ending up tied.

Are we to believe that GAA matches are uniquely evenly matched affairs?

Nope, far to convenient that the result which most suits the GAA, is the one which ends up occurring so often.

It's a game of gerrymandered results.

wow sierra

I am old enough to remember watching games in Black and White - and I don't consider myself so old. So its not in HD ??? FFS it's hardly a big deal.

And conspiracies about draws ...... the GAA has conspired to make a player hit the ball an inch wide from 100 yards in the last puck of the game. As conspiracy theories go - that's a good one

MayoSalmon

sammy37 wrote: »

Just cos the game finished in a draw not really the gaas fault and what do you want them to become a loss making company with their hands out for subsidies all the time.

Not sure how in a million years can a organisation with runs our the national games that has fantastic viewership, sponsorship and attendance plus legions of fundraisers and volunteers can become loss making.

There not exactly Cricket Ireland or anything.

rebel girl 15

sammy37 wrote: »

Just cos the game finished in a draw not really the gaas fault and what do you want them to become a loss making company with their hands out for subsidies all the time. Fair play to them for running such a successful company and i am delighted both teams get another chance as it would have been a shame to see one of them lose such a great game.

To be fair, Tipp did have a chance to win it at the death!

KK and Tipp had to go to extra time in the league final - KK won with a last min TJ Reid point, so a draw was a likely outcome

MayoSalmon

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

To be fair, Tipp did have a chance to win it at the death!

KK and Tipp had to go to extra time in the league final - KK won with a last min TJ Reid point, so a draw was a likely outcome

I believe they did win it;)

overshoot

Barely There wrote: »

Funnily enough, in most rugby matches, draws are priced in the 20's.

A game with less frequent scoring opportunities, and there is less than half the chance of the match ending up tied.

Are we to believe that GAA matches are uniquely evenly matched affairs?

Nope, far to convenient that the result which most suits the GAA, is the one which ends up occurring so often.

It's a game of gerrymandered results.

have a look through the hurling championship, 40 games, 4 draws
derry-down - ulster
cork-waterford - muster
wexford-clare-qualifiers
KK-Tipp-final

yes there is a huge gulf in class in the games that ended in draws :rolleyes:
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Barely There

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

so a draw was a likely outcome

Ain't that the truth.

El Horseboxo

So OP did you get to watch the game or not?

Dirty Dingus McGee

Barely There wrote: »

Funnily enough, in most rugby matches, draws are priced in the 20's.

A game with less frequent scoring opportunities, and there is less than half the chance of the match ending up tied.

Are we to believe that GAA matches are uniquely evenly matched affairs?

Nope, far to convenient that the result which most suits the GAA, is the one which ends up occurring so often.

It's a game of gerrymandered results.

Rugby has a wider combination of scores so that is why there is less class of they're being a draw match.

Barely There

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

Rugby has a wider combination of scores so that is why there is less class of they're being a draw match.

Try, conversion, and penalty.

Yeah, it's vastly different. :rolleyes:

dxhound2005

Barely There wrote: »

Try, conversion, and penalty.

Yeah, it's vastly different. :rolleyes:

You forgot drop goal and penalty try.

thelad95

Barely There wrote: »

For a game that has frequent scoring opportunities, it defies belief that so many matches require a replay.

Not really.

Clareman

dxhound2005 wrote: »

You forgot drop goal and penalty try.

Rugby, 1 of the few sports where you can be awarded a score without cross the line. Technically there are 2 scores in rugby, a kick at goal and a try, the conversion is part of a try and there's no difference between a drop and a penalty. Also, there isn't any rules in rugby

awec

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

Rugby has a wider combination of scores so that is why there is less class of they're being a draw match.

I think the reason it's more difficult to draw in rugby is that there is no way to get a single point and scoring is a lot less frequent, so the chances of two teams having the exact same number of points is low.

You can get 7, 5 or 3.

dxhound2005 wrote: »

You forgot drop goal and penalty try.

Penalty try has the same points as a normal try.

Borders no.2

MayoSalmon wrote: »

I believe they did win it;)

Wouldn't it be hilarious to wake up in the morning to a new controversy that someone set up Hawkeye wrong again and it was actually a point. In fairness the free was dodgy, it would have been an awful way to decide the final.

Clareman

Borders no.2 wrote: »

Wouldn't it be hilarious to wake up in the morning to a new controversy that someone set up Hawkeye wrong again and it was actually a point. In fairness the free was dodgy, it would have been an awful way to decide the final.

The free was awarded with 20 seconds left in normal time, if it was a point the play would have been allowed go on for another minute or for Kilkenny got a score.

questionmark?

Barely There wrote: »

Funnily enough, in most rugby matches, draws are priced in the 20's.

A game with less frequent scoring opportunities, and there is less than half the chance of the match ending up tied.

Are we to believe that GAA matches are uniquely evenly matched affairs?

Nope, far to convenient that the result which most suits the GAA, is the one which ends up occurring so often.

It's a game of gerrymandered results.

Thanks for that, gave me a right good laugh :-)

Barely There

dxhound2005 wrote: »

You forgot drop goal and penalty try.

Yep, which have the same points as a normal penalty and try, not really sure what point you're attempting to make.

Let me put it like this, in basketball, which has a very similar scoring system to hurling, a drawn match is more than twice as unlikely to occur.

It's almost as if the NBA don't need that particular result to occur so often.

I wonder why.

Dirty Dingus McGee

Barely There wrote: »

Yep, which have the same points as a normal penalty and try, not really sure what point you're attempting to make.

Let me put it like this, in basketball, which has a very similar scoring system to hurling, a drawn match is more than twice as unlikely to occur.

It's almost as if the NBA don't need that particular result to occur so often.

I wonder why.

There are more scores in basketball so that means a draw is less likely to occur.

The higher scoring and wider variety of scoring a game has the less likely there is to be a draw.Football has a higher likelihood of having a draw than hurling as it is a lower scoring game.Basketball has a lower likelihood of a draw as it is higher scoring.

Barely There

overshoot wrote: »

have a look through the hurling championship, 40 games, 4 draws
derry-down - ulster
cork-waterford - muster
wexford-clare-qualifiers
KK-Tipp-final

yes there is a huge gulf in class in the games that ended in draws :rolleyes:
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Yep, and 40 divide by 4 is...............


Drum roll please

10/1


Thank you for supporting my point.

The uncomfortable realty for GAA supporters is, anyone with a modicum of intelligence can see that results are artificially engineered to end in draws.

It's one of the reasons why nobody with any intellect would take it very seriously.

Necro

Barely There wrote: »

Yep, and 40 divide by 4 is...............


Drum roll please

10/1


Thank you for supporting my point.

The uncomfortable point for GAA supporters is, anyone with a modicum of intelligence can see that results are artificially engineered to end in draws.

It's one of the reasons why nobody with any intellect would take it very seriously.

Oh give it a rest and stop spouting nonsense.

dxhound2005

Barely There wrote: »

Yep, and 40 divide by 4 is...............


Drum roll please

10/1


Thank you for supporting my point.

The uncomfortable realty for GAA supporters is, anyone with a modicum of intelligence can see that results are artificially engineered to end in draws.

It's one of the reasons why nobody with any intellect would take it very seriously.

Who does this engineering? It sounds like match fixing to me and that would have to involve some if not all of the players.

MayoSalmon

Barely There wrote: »

Yep, and 40 divide by 4 is...............

The uncomfortable realty for GAA supporters is, anyone with a modicum of intelligence can see that results are artificially engineered to end in draws.

Do people actually till deny this?

MayoSalmon

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Who does this engineering? It sounds like match fixing to me and that would have to involve some if not all of the players.

Think of the money on the line...if its a tight game why in the world wouldn't the ref be encouraged to keep it a draw.

They must be making another few million for the replay

overshoot

Barely There wrote: »

Yep, and 40 divide by 4 is...............


Drum roll please

10/1


Thank you for supporting my point.

The uncomfortable realty for GAA supporters is, anyone with a modicum of intelligence can see that results are artificially engineered to end in draws.

It's one of the reasons why nobody with any intellect would take it very seriously.

oh please, you asked were teams that even and i pointed out the drawn games were evenly matched teams

if i wrote the first thought in my head after reading that, id get a ban.

for someone going on about intellect and cant see that the scoring formats in rugby make it naturally more difficult to draw, and therefore the bookies odds would be higher... well do the math for my thoughts!

dxhound2005

MayoSalmon wrote: »

Think of the money on the line...if its a tight game why in the world wouldn't the ref be encouraged to keep it a draw.

They must be making another few million for the replay

That's how it might appear if there is only one score between the teams very close to the end. But the ref today gave the opportunity for a score when it was a draw very near the end.

If the result is being engineered (match fix) then the players would have to be in on it to make the draw possible in the first place. Maybe Tipp or Kilkenny held back today at some stages of the game so that the draw would eventuate, but that is not what I saw.

nice_guy80

They are amateurs.
They all probsbly have jobs to go back to tomorrow.
They deserve another day to get the win.

Barely There

nice_guy80 wrote: »

They are amateurs.
They all probsbly have jobs to go back to tomorrow.
They deserve another day to get the win.

Couldn't have put it better myself :rolleyes:

MayoSalmon

dxhound2005 wrote: »

That's how it might appear if there is only one score between the teams very close to the end. But the ref today gave the opportunity for a score when it was a draw very near the end.

If the result is being engineered (match fix) then the players would have to be in on it to make the draw possible in the first place. Maybe Tipp or Kilkenny held back today at some stages of the game so that the draw would eventuate, but that is not what I saw.

I don't feel its engineered like that not even close and yes the ref did but I think if Tipp had scored that the ref would have given KK way more time to try get the equalizer and certainly wouldn't have jut blown up straight away.

overshoot

Barely There wrote: »

The average cabbage-head GAA supporter has been conditioned, through years of gerrymandered results to believe that these results are 'the norm'.

I'm afraid that's not the case.

It's one of the reasons nobody outside the GAA mindset takes 'the competition' seriously at all.

ah yes the old trademark insults of the my sport is better than yours brigade

also gerrymandering is the changing political boundaries to manipulate results. if your going to keep pretending to be an intellectual use a dictionary

ceegee

MayoSalmon wrote: »

I don't feel its engineered like that not even close and yes the ref did but I think if Tipp had scored that the ref would have given KK way more time to try get the equalizer and certainly wouldn't have jut blown up straight away.

If you're trying to ensure a draw why would you give a free that was marginal at best in the last minute of a tied game? The sensible decision for a corrupt ref would have been to wave play on and few would have complained

dxhound2005

MayoSalmon wrote: »

I don't feel its engineered like that not even close and yes the ref did but I think if Tipp had scored that the ref would have given KK way more time to try get the equalizer and certainly wouldn't have jut blown up straight away.

You have no way of knowing that more time would have been played if Tipp had got the point. Unless you spoke to the ref and he told you that?

Barely There

overshoot wrote: »

ah yes the old trademark insults of the my sport is better than yours brigade

also gerrymandering is the changing political boundaries to manipulate results. if your going to keep pretending to be an intellectual use a dictionary

What sport is that?

Also, is called a polysemy, keep up old chap.