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Dublin v Donegal Sunday 31 August AI semifinal Mod Warning Posts #392 #541
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Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »I'm not bitter
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Their manager has and unbelievable ego, and has already alienated at least two fine footballers, and god only know how many younger promising guys who we will never find out about because they did not do things Jimmy's way.
He has never missed an importunity to try and play pathetic mind games in the media, and if it's not him that's doing it's one of his lackeys.
And their style of football is pure anti-football. They will never thrill the neutral the way Mayo and Kerry did last week.
From this distance I find myself agreeing with Tod. Donegal's style of play isn't attractive (master of understatement
). The manager does seem to have a large ego, and reminds me of Mourinho when it comes to hauling the odd player off before half time. It feels like he's trying to show the world how "special" he is.
However if Dublin had played that way in 2011 and won the All Ireland I would have cheered from the rafters. What shocked football supporters in the s/f in 2011 won't cause a ripple today with a number of teams playing in a similar fashion.
He has turned an unsuccessful team "stag party" into a proper very well drilled football team. Anyone I've spoken to who have actually met the guy describe him in glowing terms. Again if he was the Mayo/Dublin/Kerry manager then most supporters in those counties would love the guy.0 -
intellectual dosser wrote: »Jeez Tod you're one of my favorite posters on the GAA forum, I've never seen you allow emotion creep into a post so much.
I remember being on Hill 16 for the 2012 final and the behavior of a group of Mayo fans beside me before the game wasn't anything to be proud of - but I wont be labeling all Mayo supporters with the same reputation.
The strange thing about the style of play is that if you brought someone from 20 years ago into the present day they'd also be asking questions of Dublin, Mayo and Kerry too. Constant Hand passing and multi-man tackling are now such a common part of everyone's game that no one talks about it anymore. Donegal have surely taken it to a further extreme and therefore take most of the flak, 5 years ago it was Tyrone, now its Donegal - who's next?
Jimmy wont be apologizing to anyone - 3 years since that semi final people need to get over it.
I have never had issue with Mayo fans really. Well except that town was deserted last year after the final. Understandably so.
The best craic to be had is when there's an Ulster team in town (except those Orchard shower), and it tends to be a great day out regardless of what unfolds on the pitch.
And when it's Dublin v (insert Ulster team here) it's ninety!
The oft-stated "there wasn't that much handpassing 20/30/40 years ago" grates on me somewhat. If they were playing football out there today like they did when I was in my teens I would turn my back to it.
Some of the 'ball that has been played in the last ten years has been spectacular. Hand passing is a tactical addition as opposed to a way out of trouble as it often felt like back in the day.
The quality of foot passing is light years ahead of that up-and-under crap we were subjected to for decades.
The Tyrone team from 2008 is my favourite of the lot. Only this current Dublin squad is coming close to playing with such verve.Feel like I have stumbling into some altered reality here:eek:.
As a neutral here have to object to what was said about the Donegal fans -some of the most decent, soundest and wittiest fans I have met from any county are Donegal fans. Also what they have achieved coming from being a laughing stock team of party boys to what they have achieved is nothing short of outstanding and they have now developed some cracking underage teams too so Jim has laid the foundations for a very good period for Donegal in the future. And all in the toughest province to get through and with a limited squad.
But sure you can't be neutral with Donegal, lest the ancients turn in their grave, you have to hate them or nothing! :P
Their 2012 performance was breathtaking and some of the football they played was exceptional. There was only ever gonna be one winner of that final v Mayo for me from the second they got there.I was at the Donegal Mayo game last year when Mayo obliterated Donegal and have to say that we still had the crack with the Donegal supporters but the Mayo supporters around me were some of the greatest most arrogant obnoxious bell ends I ever met wearing GAA jerseys (and I've been in Santa Ponza with a group of Dublin fans
). But I wouldn't generalise all Mayo fans to be like that - but it is laughable that some Mayo supporters think they are superior to Donegal based on the lazy old Sunday Game cliches about the way they play and think they would hockey Donegal in an AI Final - come on lads no offence but it's Mayo on All Ireland Final day!! To say you would hockey anyone is incredible to say the least.
That game last year was inevitable after the Monaghan game I thought. And to be honest Mayo spunked their lot that day.Anyway back on topic - I think Donegal will keep it tight early on but come the 50th minute Dublin will have one of their power periods and will run out winners by 7 points.
I'd say it'll be 'til the 60 and we'll win by 7.THAT semi final in 2011; intriguing, enthralling ?, well yeah to the same degree as you rubberneck a car crash. Mickey Whelan spoke of the Dubs preparation for the game, playing countless practice matches with a packed defence - even 18 v 15 aside. Jim Mc confiscated mobile phones as the war room readied battle stations. What unfolded was outside the scope of anything that Dublin had reasonably prepared for - frustration was evident both on the field and in the stands. I thought that particular atmosphere served as an advantage to Donegal.
That SF was unbelievable. The tension in the stadium was like nothing I have ever experienced at HQ, before or since. Even the last 10 against Kerry in the Final didn't come close to that.
You really appreciate what a remarkable tactical battle that was on re-watches. Frankly a Herculean performance from Donegal. The discipline to a man was exceptoional.
The comments from Spillane afterwards were odious, with his "victory for football" bull.
If Donegal came out of that gamethen it was a clear case of the best team won. Both teams were magnificent.Fast forward 3 years and that intervening period has served as a great learning period to others on the facets of the defensive game. Flynner now speaks the mantra of "Patience" as the 1st step in approaching the match. Past30Now alluded to the post I had regarding the Dublin planning for this defensive system. It has been 8 months of refinement - but this is not being dismissive of games upto the Monaghan match either as the style of play was suited to all eventualities. It's not rocket science, moving the ball quickly with committed numbers, isolating 2v1 situations with runners off the shoulder and the ball being moved quickly thru the hands. Dublins advantage is they can do it quicker than most (with the possible exception of Kerry), but tellingly they can do it for longer than everybody.
Dublin have replicated the Donegal defensive system as a well coached philosophy in AvB practice games - but to my mind there's no way Donegal can mirror the Dublin way of playing.
Things have gone very quiet on the Dublin front - I'd spoken with a few of the players prior to the Monaghan game and might have picked up a snippet or 2 of info elsewhere, but have heard nothing. But make no mistake about it, this is the match they've had in their crosshairs all season
We all know how far Dublin have taken the game in the last 4 years, but my God, it's frightening to read it, isn't it?0 -
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BonnieSituation wrote: »...................We all know how far Dublin have taken the game in the last 4 years, but my God, it's frightening to read it, isn't it?
Sorry, didn't want to quote the whole post but just a few thoughts.
I can't remember much of the 2011 SF tbh, I know I walked out afterwards feeling like I'd been tasered repeatedly.
The 2010 SF v Cork remains the defining atmosphere for me, purely because it was incessant for the 75 odd mins of the match .. again I walked out feeling tasered repeatedly, but had so much pride in the Dubs coming from the hammering the previous year although an ultimately fruitlless ending for them. This was closely followed by the NHL final in 2011, a crowd of around 35,000 made some racket, and of course the AI in 2011 when I fell down the steps after Cluxton pointed, memories and a scar for prosperity.
I always felt there was a mutual admiration between Dublin & Tyrone fans a few years back (when we weren't winning) .. sort've a "no one likes us we don't care" kindred spirit.
Finally ... yeah it is frightening their preparation with regards work & resolve, but in a very understated way. I haven't met the more "colourful" characters on the team, but the ones I have are very matter of fact.
It reminds me of a scene in "League of their Own" when James Corden was talking about the eastend of London hard men, the fellas that were full of talk and "bish,bop", then the proper hard men that just needed to sniff to make a point. I'd imagine all great sport teams excude a certain vibe much akin to a hard man sniff
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downthemiddle wrote: »If you think you will find "yes" men in Donegal you obviously don't understand our psyche.
When is the last time we voted the same way as the rest of the country?
Seanaid abolition I suppose buy you'd be stupid not to vote no to that.0 -
intellectual dosser wrote: »Jeez Tod you're one of my favorite posters on the GAA forum, I've never seen you allow emotion creep into a post so much.
I remember being on Hill 16 for the 2012 final and the behavior of a group of Mayo fans beside me before the game wasn't anything to be proud of - but I wont be labeling all Mayo supporters with the same reputation.
The strange thing about the style of play is that if you brought someone from 20 years ago into the present day they'd also be asking questions of Dublin, Mayo and Kerry too. Constant Hand passing and multi-man tackling are now such a common part of everyone's game that no one talks about it anymore. Donegal have surely taken it to a further extreme and therefore take most of the flak, 5 years ago it was Tyrone, now its Donegal - who's next?
Jimmy wont be apologizing to anyone - 3 years since that semi final people need to get over it.
You're dead right,every county has it's own quota of idiots.Mayo is no different.The vast,vast majority of Mayo fans admire Donegal for what they have achieved in recent years whatever the tactics.
They were worthy winners of the AI in 2012,you've got some excellent footballers(one with more than a drop of Mayo blood ),I for one would'nt derive any satisfaction from our North Western neighbours getting a hammering on Sunday. 0 -
Nidgeweasel wrote: »When is the last time we voted the same way as the rest of the country?
Seanaid abolition I suppose buy you'd be stupid not to vote no to that.
A bunch of lackeys we are I tell ya, a bunch of lackeys.0 -
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