Scrap the dole!

DrGreenthumb · 23-08-2014 05:50AM

Mince Pie wrote: »

That's genius, captive audience but I sure as hell wouldn't be doing it for someone else, especially considering the concept is so simple.

well due to health and saftey you cant just set up a bbq outside a shop yourself and sell hence the training and charity involved, but that was just an example, if you cant handle getting the piss ripped out for being on the dole for whatever reasons consider the alternative no matter how demeaning you might think it is.

Mince Pie · 23-08-2014 05:52AM

DrGreenthumb wrote: »

well due to health and saftey you cant just set up a bbq outside a shop yourself and sell hence the training and charity involved, but that was just an example, if you cant handle getting the piss ripped out for being on the dole for whatever reasons consider the alternative no matter how demeaning you might think it is.

There's demeaning and then there's being dumb.
Something will turn up, I'm enterprising if nothing else.

DrGreenthumb · 23-08-2014 05:57AM

just food for thought literally when you go collect your €186 and think you have it bad

Panthro · 23-08-2014 05:57AM

Been on the dole almost 3months, im determined to get the fock off it ASAP.
My emails sent out are in their hundreds, job interviews done, refusal letters received.
Its an awful load a cawk. Ill be on the boat before id stay unemployed long term.

Oh stop the world and let me off.
I'm tired of going round.
I've played the game of dole and lost
Oh stop the world and let me off!

Bongalongherb · 23-08-2014 05:58AM

In reality... the land of the living... the amount of boards threads attacking unfortunate folk that ended up with a contract with the DSP being degraded further by everyday insults must be overwhelming.

Enough of this dole bashing, it has been going on too long. Help your fellow-man and just get on with life, because if it's not the dole... it will be something else the government strategy uses to get us to fight against ourselves.

Who said life was easy either way ?. This sort of talking regarding dole bashing just depresses all.

DrGreenthumb · 23-08-2014 06:01AM

yea i didn't even start this thread but i got caught up in a rant,
gets get back to the laughs, don't dole it out if yea cant take it :P

Panthro · 23-08-2014 06:04AM

Dont be Codding us, we all know you were SEEKING a joke for your own BENIFIT!
(My jokes are shyt, with all the free time I have you'd imagine theyd be better)

DrGreenthumb · 23-08-2014 06:10AM

as jokingly as I am that is a true story,
and i like your last post, lot of obair put in (are they still around)

Lenin Skynard · 23-08-2014 06:10AM

Why is it always the tv subscription? Is this the ultimate measure of living in luxury? You'd wonder sometimes if this Daily Mail brigade flick through the channels and boil into a rage at the site of "you are not subscribed to this channel" in the knowledge that someone out there on benefits is subscribed to the channel.

Whatever you're paying in taxes, you'd be spending twice as much on security if the dole was scrapped. If you can afford it that is.

krudler · 23-08-2014 06:39AM

smellmepower wrote: »

Education is completely free now is it?

There's a ton of ways to educate yourself for free online, MIT, one of the most prestigious colleges in the world publish nearly all their course material online, for free:
http://ocw.mit.edu/index.htm

More here: https://www.coursera.org/

Want to learn a language? Here ya go:
http://www.openculture.com/freelanguagelessons

here too:https://www.duolingo.com/

Computer programming take your fancy? there ya go:
http://code.org/

Here too:http://www.codecademy.com/

Maths giving you grief?
http://www.math.com/

How about science?
https://www.khanacademy.org/

History?
http://www.extension.harvard.edu/open-learning-initiative/world-war-history

Loads here too
http://alison.com/subjects/25/Diploma-Courses

hell even FAS do online education:
http://www.professionaldevelopment.ie/free-courses

padma · 23-08-2014 06:45AM

Id prefer to see them scrap welfare for companies..scrap the free worker scheme for businesses..scrap the numerous tax breaks for big business.

Banjoxed · 23-08-2014 07:00AM

Bongalongherb wrote: »

In reality... the land of the living... the amount of boards threads attacking unfortunate folk that ended up with a contract with the DSP being degraded further by everyday insults must be overwhelming.

Enough of this dole bashing, it has been going on too long. Help your fellow-man and just get on with life, because if it's not the dole... it will be something else the government strategy uses to get us to fight against ourselves.

Who said life was easy either way ?. This sort of talking regarding dole bashing just depresses all.

It's boards, the amount of Internet Libertarians will inevitably be higher here than in the outside world, beating themselves off reading Guido Fawkes. Bless.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 23-08-2014 07:19AM

I've started doing Monday Club lately, because I don't work on Mondays and I am back over in my home town so I go drinking with two girls I know. What sets me apart from everyone else out is, I'm spending my own money. You see, Monday is pay day for most of these wasters. And there's two pubs in the town that are absolutely jammed packed from about 12 o'clock in the day. In one of the pubs, there's a dj who plays from 3 until about 7, then a local band will play.

And those wasters will sit there drinking until their money is gone. I know I'm no better, but at least I'm paying for mine and am getting up for work the next day

TGJD · 23-08-2014 07:33AM

LexieOnRale wrote: »

I've started doing Monday Club lately, because I don't work on Mondays and I am back over in my home town so I go drinking with two girls I know. What sets me apart from everyone else out is, I'm spending my own money. You see, Monday is pay day for most of these wasters. And there's two pubs in the town that are absolutely jammed packed from about 12 o'clock in the day. In one of the pubs, there's a dj who plays from 3 until about 7, then a local band will play.

And those wasters will sit there drinking until their money is gone. I know I'm no better, but at least I'm paying for mine and am getting up for work the next day

Must be nice to know that you are morally superior to the other people in the pub with you.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 23-08-2014 07:39AM

TGJD wrote: »

Must be nice to know that you are morally superior to the other people in the pub with you.

I'm usually too busy hoping I don't get stabbed, to be honest. But seriously, it's quite depressing. Sad way to live your life. Being broke the rest of the week but doing the same thing next week, never learning

Turtyturd · 23-08-2014 07:42AM

krudler wrote: »

There's a ton of ways to educate yourself for free online, MIT, one of the most prestigious colleges in the world publish nearly all their course material online, for free:
http://ocw.mit.edu/index.htm

More here: https://www.coursera.org/

Want to learn a language? Here ya go:
http://www.openculture.com/freelanguagelessons

here too:https://www.duolingo.com/

Computer programming take your fancy? there ya go:
http://code.org/

Here too:http://www.codecademy.com/

Maths giving you grief?
http://www.math.com/

How about science?
https://www.khanacademy.org/

History?
http://www.extension.harvard.edu/open-learning-initiative/world-war-history

Loads here too
http://alison.com/subjects/25/Diploma-Courses

hell even FAS do online education:
http://www.professionaldevelopment.ie/free-courses

I'd say that works well in interviews.

'So you studied at MIT?'

'Well.....that depends on how you define studied.'

Calina · 23-08-2014 08:06AM

krudler wrote: »

There's a ton of ways to educate yourself for free online, MIT, one of the most prestigious colleges in the world publish nearly all their course material online, for free:
http://ocw.mit.edu/index.htm

More here: https://www.coursera.org/

Want to learn a language? Here ya go:
http://www.openculture.com/freelanguagelessons

here too:https://www.duolingo.com/

Computer programming take your fancy? there ya go:
http://code.org/

Here too:http://www.codecademy.com/

Maths giving you grief?
http://www.math.com/

How about science?
https://www.khanacademy.org/

History?
http://www.extension.harvard.edu/open-learning-initiative/world-war-history

Loads here too
http://alison.com/subjects/25/Diploma-Courses

hell even FAS do online education:
http://www.professionaldevelopment.ie/free-courses

Internet connections aren't free.

The other issue is that recognition of courses like these are patchy and difficult to align with specific jobs.

Don't get me wrong - I think the availability is great - but the fact is if you are unemployed, it takes time to get enough out of any of these options to make yourself employable depending on where you're starting from. I think there needs to be a realistic assessment of what is possible in terms of learning and how it might relate to obtaining a job ultimately.

If you look at some of your suggestions, they are not going to necessarily result in a job: history for one and the languages option, sorry, that's not going to work because the amount of work you need to get yourself up to working in a foreign language is to the tune of 3 or 4 years including immersion.

So yes. there are loads of ways to educate yourself - an awful lot of interesting stuff on iTunes and even on youtube as well. Structuring it and exploiting it in such away as to make yourself employable; that's a different kettle of fish.

johnnyskeleton · 23-08-2014 08:13AM

Possibly social welfare should encourage people to become self employed ie create jobs raher than wait for someone else to create it. However?, you have to be on the dole 12 months and risk losing it forever if you set up your own business. A cynic would say that they dont want people to be their own bossess and like havig people nice and docile.

NIMAN · 23-08-2014 08:15AM

Although I am going to use NI as my example, it sort of proves the point.

I know of 3 young girls in the last year who arrived from England (2) and Canada (1) into Derry, one of Europe's unemployment blackspots supposedly.

They are aged 21, 23 and 34 respectively. They landed with no jobs or no interviews lined up.

In the time they have been here, all have got jobs easily. In fact one has had 3 jobs, and is currently working 2 part-time jobs as it suits her schooling. The second is on her 2nd job and enjoying it. And the third has had a temp job in Belfast and now a full time permanent job in Derry.

My point would be that if you try hard enough and actually want to work, then you can find work. I know of quite a few others of similar ages who have never worked and are not actively looking for work, as they are already engrained in the benefit culture.

AndonHandon · 23-08-2014 08:18AM

If there was no dole and the threat of homelessness or starvation was a very real prospect then we would see a drop in the unemployment rate.

Menas · 23-08-2014 08:37AM

padma wrote: »

Id prefer to see them scrap welfare for companies..scrap the free worker scheme for businesses..scrap the numerous tax breaks for big business.

Shure lets ban big companies and all inward investment all together shall we?

Gannicus · 23-08-2014 08:55AM

better call saul wrote: »

The time has come to scrap the dole, for those on it long term anyway! No more freebies at the expense of the educated people, hard working decent people. Not the cunce who's sky sports and multi room sub is paid for by the folk who get out of bed in the morning. I'm sick busting my balls every day while these wasters longer around drinking cans of Stella at lunchtime

We should petition the government prior to the budget, then scrap usc for us decent folk

I do agree with a lot of your o/p but I don't agree wit the part in bold.

Why just aassume they are all uneducated? I have a mate whos studied and gotten a PhD who has been unemployed for nearly 3 years now. He keeps getting told the usual "too qualified" or they "couldn't pay the money he'd command with his qualifications" for jobs outside his field. He doesn't want to nor should he have to emigrate. Unfortunately his PhD is in a very niche market that lives off grants and private funding with a lot of competition and the longer he's unemployed the harder he finds it to even get interviews due to his employment gap.

I do think it should be means tested and this whole ****e of people on welfare being allowed to take 2 weeks holidays is just out and out ridiculous.

when they means test it the likes of Sky and UPC etc. should be seen as luxuries and if you can afford them then your payments are cut by that amount and you have to get rid of it, and get a job if you want to afford it. So too should cigarettes and alcohol. I'm all for a voucher or "credit card" system that stops you from using it to buy luxuries like booze and smokes. A card that has your number and photo on it. Something that can only be used in ireland too to stop these welfare vacationers coming back once a month to sign on.

Banjoxed · 23-08-2014 09:03AM

AndonHandon wrote: »

If there was no dole and the threat of homelessness or starvation was a very real prospect then we would see a drop in the unemployment rate.

Yes. They would be dead.

Un Croissant · 23-08-2014 09:04AM

DrGreenthumb wrote: »

i had been looking for work for a while prior to this

You didn't just get a job? You obviously weren't trying hard enough. Rookie.

chuckyarelaw · 23-08-2014 09:13AM

I'd actually be more in favour of increasing the dole to €280 a week for three months - then halve it, then after 12 months halve it again.

0-3 months €280
3-12 months €140
12 + €70

After three years, tough luck.

Gannicus · 23-08-2014 09:21AM

Bongalongherb wrote: »

Enough of this dole bashing, it has been going on too long. Help your fellow-man and just get on with life, because if it's not the dole... it will be something else the government strategy uses to get us to fight against ourselves.

You know I think it helps keep unemployment down. I remember even before the boom there was a stigma attached to being on the dole. Nobody wanted to be known as "he/she is on the dole" so they forced themselves to work almost anywhere.

Sadly (I use that term very loosely) that stigma is taking a nose dive and its becoming all to acceptable in society to just sit on your arse and sign on once a month especially with the younger generations. I think its more prevelant in the younger generations because of the whole peter pan syndrome (act like kids forever).

Gannicus · 23-08-2014 09:26AM

People are saying there are no jobs..... I walk passed places in dublin and there are signs up in lots of windows looking for staff. in fact anyone living in dublin.

APPLE GREEN north and southbound on the M1 are looking for at last 5 staff in their between cafes the forecourt etc.

shruikan2553 · 23-08-2014 09:26AM

While I would agree that someone shouldn't be able to decide to stay on the dole for the rest of their lives there isn't exactly a lot of jobs going around. We keep hearing of minimum wage jobs getting a **** load of applicants so I don't see how cutting people off will help them get jobs.

Rubberchikken · 23-08-2014 09:28AM

it's pathetic for the 'educated worker' to pick on those who, at this time, have no coice but to claim social welfare.
a major part of paying tax is to support those who are unfortunate enough to not be currently employed.
how anyone can begrudge help to a fellow human being is beyond me.

no matter how long someone is unemployed, it really isn't anyone else's business and these pointless rants towards others only shows an ignorance that is to be pitied.

A Greedy Algorithm · 23-08-2014 09:33AM

Everytime i see a dole bashing thread i think the same thing - there is no perfect system that every one will agree is fair and no one ever comes up with a better solution.

We all know the people who use the recession as an excuse not to work, the truth being that they wouldn't work either way and have adapted the easy life. Can you really blame them? A single person getting rent allowance along with a social welfare payment and medical card can get by pretty comfortably especially when you throw in a few days work now and again which seems to be the norm around my town anyway. Obviously families struggle.

So what can be done, does anyone have any ideas?

Scrap the dole!

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