Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Mod Note in OP, 25/08

Lord TSC

#NeverForget
Last thread lasted less than a month. Hopefully this one brings more transfers :pac:

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Vinz Mesrine

So Mata, not needed?

Will I Amnt

Vinz Mesrine wrote: »

How do you know that?

Is it totally implausible that the Glazers gave Moyes 40m to spend in January, he had a few rejections from central midfielders so just bought Mata because he was available instead of widening the net and catching a player who was needed?

Mata became available. If there was a CM signed in that window before that I'm certain the club would still have been in for him.

Rayne Wooney

Can we not put International champions cup winners 2014 in the thread title?

Nolars

New thread new signings #believe

TheTownie

The league starts now

Vinz Mesrine

Will I Amnt wrote: »

Mata became available. If there was a CM signed in that window before that I'm certain the club would still have been in for him.

We'll have to agree to disagree.

Larry Wildman

Vinz Mesrine wrote: »

So Mata, not needed?

If we buy Di Maria, we're sticking a bar into our house to go with the pool table (Mata), all while we've no roof.

Insanity.

LostBoy101

Looks like we'll be getting in Rojo in the coming days according to some reports.

kryogen

Larry Wildman wrote: »

Who wanted him?

"Two time player of the year"...give me a break. The best manager in the league wanted rid of him.

I'd love to see some of this wondrous magic you speak of in a United shirt.

You know, just because people here go on about how good he is, it doesn't make it so. Based on what he's done so far, he's another £35m turkey like Berbatov.

The fact of the matter is we'd be better off with Kagawa playing at 10 and spending the Mata money where it's needed - Midfield and defence.

A likeable fella but a show pony who we don't need.

I could respond to the inaccuracies, I could dispel some of the bull**** in this post......but in fairness what would be the point. There is a saying I am reminded of at the moment that is saving me a bit of writing time.

My final point on this, you edit speaks loudly about you and the value of your opinion. Calling a player, who is at the club 7 months, had 14 starts with 6 goals and 4 assists in the league in his few months with us last season, a flop says all you need to know about you.

Rayne Wooney

We need pace and versatility, those two words sum Di Maria up. We need him, but it is third priority at the moment until we get a CM and CB

homerjay2005

#homerout

Hococop

Supposedly we gave £45 million And Hernandez for Vidal how would ye feel about that? personally I wouldn't care about the cost. ( obviously it won't happen just curious how ye feel about how much pay for a player we need in a weak area)

Larry Wildman

kryogen wrote: »

I could respond to the inaccuracies, I could dispel some of the bull**** in this post......but in fairness what would be the point. There is a saying I am reminded of at the moment that is saving me a bit of writing time.

My final point on this, you edit speaks loudly about you and the value of your opinion. Calling a player, who is at the club 7 months, had 14 starts with 6 goals and 4 assists in the league in his few months with us last season, a flop says all you need to know about you.

If you bothered to read the post properly, you'd understand what I'm saying...that if Mata's United career continues along the same trajectory, he will be a flop.

Post as many funny jpgs as you like - He has not done well.

bucketybuck

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

We need pace and versatility, those two words sum Di Maria up. We need him, but it is third priority at the moment until we get a CM and CB

I would be very worried that Di Maria would be another Mata, another great player that can't show what he can do because the rest of the team is so disjointed. Its an utter waste of time buying him when our midfield is so bereft.

user2011

KewOut#

I blame him for the loss. :pac:

The_Kew_Tour

thinking of putting in a CV to see if I can replace Ed.

kryogen

We need to strengthen the spine, all the fancy flourishes around the edge count for little if the spine is weak. A dominating centre half and a dominant central midfielder are required before anything else will work 100%

Will I Amnt

Vinz Mesrine wrote: »

We'll have to agree to disagree.

You can disagree all you want. A forward wasn't needed at the time RvP became available but he was another player you couldn't turn your nose up at.

titan18

We should sign

Santon
Vlaar
Rojo
Benatia
Vidal
Schneiderlin
Di Maria

Donnielighto

Can we please once close on 10000 posts, these random numbers are killing me

Pro. F

homerjay2005 wrote: »

ok, seen as you keeping pushing this....what exactly did i say thats got your knickers into such a twist?

simple yes or no question for you, do you think i am talking s*it when i say that our match going fan base are unhappy, disillusioned and pissed off right now?

to be honest, im actually quite baffled as to why anybody would get so wound up and bothered over what ive said today, when its very basic and to be honest, a very good indication of what is happening right now.

for what its worth, here are the posts i brought up before you got involved and started going into meltdown at me-

and i find it strange that so many people thanked the post where you attacked me over these posts (especially the last one), yet if every single poster on here was asked to give an honest assertion of how they felt right now, i dont think anybody would be happy with the club.

and i find it rather disturbing that some people are happy to take the view of somebody who wasnt at the game as gospel over somebody who was at the game when describing how poor the spirit is in our fanbase right now.

now thats my last post on the matter. ive said my piece, you dont need to accept it and if you have a problem with me (and this goes to anybody else who doesnt agree with me or my views on the club) feel free to put me on ignore as im sick of trying to get people to realise the club right now is being run by a complete bunch of jokers who are dont give two f8cks about me, your or any of the other fans out there who care so much about the club.

I wasn't continuing to push it. I was done with the discussion until Bucky decided to start straw-manning.

I've already explained to you what my issue with your posts is in very simple terms. Read it here.

Kylo Ren

Di Maria can play in a midfield three. If he was signed (which he won't be) it would signal a move to a 4-3-3.

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De Gea

Rafael

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Evans----Jones

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Shaw

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Fletcher

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Herrera

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Di Maria

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Mata

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Rooney----RVP

Larry Wildman

bucketybuck wrote: »

I would be very worried that Di Maria would be another Mata, another great player that can't show what he can do because the rest of the team is so disjointed. Its an utter waste of time buying him when our midfield is so bereft.

Maybe we should buy another world class striker? And maybe a goalkeeper too? Sure why not? We seem to specialise in abject transfer planning.

Does anyone at Old Trafford know what they're doing.

- Identify requirements

- Prioritise

- Deal with requirements in order of urgency

LostBoy101

Christ chill out and have a beer Pro F and Homerjay.

Nalz

I pray for three things this thread:

(a) a new CM, CB and a utility player
(b) maximum points
(c) nobody quotes the one I've got on my ignore list :pac:

irishfeen

It's ironic how Sir Alex Fergusons stature as a manager is growing day by day as United's decline sets in... Was talking to a Spanish mate who is a big Real supporter today and he cannot believe how far United have slipped since he left (he even said if this was Real there probably would be rioting on the streets) - this for the most is the team that ran RM so very close in Fergusons last campaign.

He and his circle of buddy's who go to the matches could not understand how Ferguson over the years used to turn relatively cheap, good players (even sometimes average players) into league and even CL winners - they thought he just got rather lucky with the standard of the PL/CL for years. They now after seeing how things have fell apart since absolutely laud SAF for what he achieved at United - every time we fall in stature SAFs statute rises.

TheTownie

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

thinking of putting in a CV to see if I can replace Ed.

Maybe you should apply for one of the available jobs and then lead a coup from the inside.

Donnielighto

Larry Wildman wrote: »

If we buy Di Maria, we're sticking a bar into our house to go with the pool table (Mata), all while we've no roof.

Insanity.

Who needs a roof when it's all sunshine and lollipops

twam2008

irishfeen wrote: »

It's ironic how Sir Alex Fergusons stature as a manager is growing day by day as United's decline sets in... Was talking to a Spanish mate who is a big Real supporter today and he cannot believe how far United have slipped since he left (he even said if this was Real there probably would be rioting on the streets) - this for the most is the team that ran RM so very close in Fergusons last campaign.

He and his circle of buddy's who go to the matches could not understand how Ferguson over the years used to turn relatively cheap, good players (even sometimes average players) into league and even CL winners - they thought he just got rather lucky with the standard of the PL/CL for years. They now after seeing how things have fell apart since absolutely laud SAF for what he achieved at United - every time we fall in stature SAFs statute rises.

In fairness the Spaniards riot on the streets when they win things

Donnielighto

Hococop wrote: »

Supposedly we gave £45 million And Hernandez for Vidal how would ye feel about that? personally I wouldn't care about the cost. ( obviously it won't happen just curious how ye feel about how much pay for a player we need in a weak area)

Sad to see chico leave but wish him the best, spend 10 mins cleaning all the goo off the furniture in the room at signing vidal.

Vinz Mesrine

Will I Amnt wrote: »

You can disagree all you want. A forward wasn't needed at the time RvP became available but he was another player you couldn't turn your nose up at.

That's the problem with United at the moment, signing players who aren't needed instead of strengthening the correct areas.

Larry Wildman

As another poster wisely highlighted, we desperately need midfielders, yet we managed to end up paying Chelsea £37m for surplus to requirements Mata so they could then get Fabregas for £30m.

irishfeen

twam2008 wrote: »

In fairness the Spaniards riot on the streets when they win things

Some fine ladies though...

Harry Palmr

irishfeen wrote: »

It's ironic how Sir Alex Fergusons stature as a manager is growing day by day as United's decline sets in... Was talking to a Spanish mate who is a big Real supporter today and he cannot believe how far United have slipped since he left (he even said if this was Real there probably would be rioting on the streets) - this for the most is the team that ran RM so very close in Fergusons last campaign.

He and his circle of buddy's who go to the matches could not understand how Ferguson over the years used to turn relatively cheap, good players (even sometimes average players) into league and even CL winners - they thought he just got rather lucky with the standard of the PL/CL for years. They now after seeing how things have fell apart since absolutely laud SAF for what he achieved at United - every time we fall in stature SAFs statute rises.

Just such a pity that he left your squad in such a parlous state. Ageing CBs, dodgy wide men, crumbly midfielders. Sure he got the most out of them but he was rather like the chap who sell you a car with lovely shiny paint and wheels but shot engine bearings.

PhlegmyMoses

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Just such a pity that he left your squad in such a parlous state. Ageing CBs, dodgy wide men, crumbly midfielders. Sure he got the most out of them but he was rather like the chap who sell you a car with lovely shiny paint and wheels but shot engine bearings.

Yeah, that Fergie lad really was awful.

Gringo180

Arsenal fan here. I think Utd will be definitely challenging this season, especially with no european football as a distraction, although in saying that LVG should scrap that 3-5-2 system for a 4-5-1. I would also think of transforming Rooney into box to box midfielder in the mould of Ramsey and have Mata playing just ahead of him in behind RVP. Mata is a world class attacking midfielder madness hearing some fans calling him a flop, its just when he gets the ball nothing seems to be happening ahead of him as Rooney always seems to be dropping too deep, he needs an out and out striker to play off to be seen to full effect imo.

hurlingman97

Half time in 2011 champions league final on SS5 if anyones interested.

Sorry if already posted.

irishfeen

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Just such a pity that he left your squad in such a parlous state. Ageing CBs, dodgy wide men, crumbly midfielders. Sure he got the most of of them but he was rather like the chap who sell you a car with lovely shiny paint and wheels but shot engine bearings.

You see he won the league - he left the Champions of England ... He to people outside not knowing the squad too well left the best team in England - as I said his stature outside the United fan base is increasing day by day.

Donnielighto

I dont have an issue buying mata for 37M but i do have an issue haggling over 5/10/15M when it comes to getting the midfield sorted. While I dont think that the mata transfer had an effect on the money pitched for other signings i shows the misguided transfer policy, not saying mata hasnt been goot but he didnt improve the squad by 37M when you consider that shinji now has less use.

Edit: Sitting in a mata jersey atm, so I do really REALLY like him as a player.

Hococop

Larry Wildman wrote: »

As another poster wisely highlighted, we desperately need midfielders, yet we managed to end up paying Chelsea £37m for surplus to requirements Mata so they could then get Fabregas for £30m.

Tbf Chelsea hit the jackpot this year in transfers
37 million for mata a player not getting his place
30 for lukaku a striker who could get into the first team either ( I know he had a good season for Everton)
50 million for luiz ............. We all know that story

TheTownie

Hococop wrote: »

Tbf Chelsea hit the jackpot this year in transfers
37 million for mata a player not getting his place
30 for lukaku a striker who could get into the first team either ( I know he had a good season for Everton)
50 million for luiz ............. We all know that story

£18M for De Bruyne too.

Donnielighto

Gringo180 wrote: »

Arsenal fan here. I think Utd will be definitely challenging this season, especially with no european football as a distraction, although in saying that LVG should scrap that 3-5-2 system for a 4-5-1. I would also think of transforming Rooney into box to box midfielder in the mould of Ramsey and have Mata playing just ahead of him in behind RVP. Mata is a world class attacking midfielder madness hearing some fans calling him a flop, its just when he gets the ball nothing seems to be happening ahead of him as Rooney always seems to be dropping too deep, he needs an out and out striker to play off to be seen to full effect imo.

Ronney should be up top and nowhere else. We have the same problem in galway with Joe Canning, some lads on about getting him out the field to be more involved when he is lethal around the box causing havoc up front. Utd have the luxury of being able to bring in players for the middle of the pitch and should use that ability not pushing a top grade forward into an ok headless MF

titan18

TheTownie wrote: »

£18M for De Bruyne too.

They've spent less than 40m net over the last two seasons even with all the players they brought in

RobbingBandit

Hococop wrote: »

Tbf Chelsea hit the jackpot this year in transfers
37 million for mata a player not getting his place
30 for lukaku a striker who could get into the first team either ( I know he had a good season for Everton)
50 million for luiz ............. We all know that story

Losing Lampard to City like that for free even if it is only for a few months would have took the shine off those sales for Chelsea.

Donnielighto

Hococop wrote: »

Tbf Chelsea hit the jackpot this year in transfers
37 million for mata a player not getting his place
30 for lukaku a striker who could get into the first team either ( I know he had a good season for Everton)
50 million for luiz ............. We all know that story

Lukaku was bad business on their part I'm convinced.

In fairness Chelsea have been trying properly to get their house in order. They should be more reasonable now that they won the CL and roman is sated for now.

Gringo180

Donnielighto wrote: »

Ronney should be up top and nowhere else. We have the same problem in galway with Joe Canning, some lads on about getting him out the field to be more involved when he is lethal around the box causing havoc up front. Utd have the luxury of being able to bring in players for the middle of the pitch and should use that ability not pushing a top grade forward into an ok headless MF

He isn't an out an out striker, I reckon he would score 15-20 goals from the midfield.

homerjay2005

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

thinking of putting in a CV to see if I can replace Ed.

you know much about tyres, noodles and non alcoholic bear? if so...

you will fit the job perfectly :pac:

Pro. F

Will I amnt from the previous thread:

United seem to have a problem with getting rid of attacking players. That's as much the cause of squad imbalance if you ask me.
Bring in Di Maria and get rid of Young, even Nani. Kagawa, as much as I like him could have gone when Mata came in. Anderson is still there FFS.

I agree that there is a strange inability to move on players that we no longer need. But that is not the reason we have ended up with an unbalanced team imo.

Look at trying to fit Mata, Rooney and RvP all into the same team. That is imbalance right there. If we wanted to make the best team we would probably drop one of Rooney and RVP. Neither of them would put up with that for very long and so we would end up wasting money and causing unnecessary hassle in the dressing room. We might be able to make the 3412 work with those three, but it is a big upheaval (changing formation) and there's a fair risk that it won't even be that effective.

Di Maria would be a great option on the wing if we go with wingers, or as one of the front two if we go with wing-backs. But if we go with wing-backs and play him up front, then we need to bench one of Rooney or RVP. And the only reason we were going with wing-backs in the first place was so that we could fit all of Mata, Rooney and RvP into the same team. That is a mess.

That mess wastes money, hampers cohesion on the pitch and spirit in the dressing room and makes it almost impossible for youth prospects to get the room to develop.

Imo we should buy the best players to fit the team, not just the best players available. No matter how good they are.

Comic Book Guy

Do ye think Utd missed a trick with Garay?
Like Herrera and Shaw he was a player heavily linked in Moyes time. Wasn't his fee to Zenit only something like 15m too?

No use crying over spilt milk but he would have ticked a lot of boxes.

Ah sure my regret will be redundant shortly anyways in 2 weeks time when he have 3 top players brought in :pac:

twam2008

Donnielighto wrote: »

Lukaku was bad business on their part I'm convinced.

In fairness Chelsea have been trying properly to get their house in order. They should be more reasonable now that they won the CL and roman is sated for now.

I've a couple of Everton mates, and they didn't want him. He is quite an inconsistent player.