drafting vs dumpline

Viewtodiefor

Deepsouthwest wrote: »

Parlour around 8 yrs old here, so not comparable with nowadays I guess. Priced both dairymaster and de Laval. Went with gascoigne cos they had the soundest dealer! All parlours will milk cows

Yes def true if they are set up correct they will all milk cows. I think 4 by zero pulsation is better for cows than the 2x2,

mahoney_j

Viewtodiefor wrote: »

Yes def true if they are set up correct they will all milk cows. I think 4 by zero pulsation is better for cows than the 2x2,

All evidence points to 2x2,dairymaster on their own with 4x0.just one of many reasons not to buy dairymaster

jaymla627

Greengrass1 wrote: »

What I am suggesting is at calving time milk your main herd -cows thar can go in to bulk tank
Then get in your fresh calvers/highscc/antibiotic cows milk these these can go threw yout machine into a barrel.
These cows stay in this group until antibiotics are out of them or there scc is cured. This group stays in shed or in seperate paddock which ever yr like. You have no transfere off bugs then.

In my opinion cluster flushing is only coverinh a problem. If a cow cant have a low scc there is no point in having her

Cluster dipping here every milking, scc hasn't gone over 120,000 this year and haven't had a single case of mastitis since July 2013 touch wood, it really does work...cluster flush systems are a very expensive way of doing it with the price of peracitic acid

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mahoney_j wrote: »

All evidence points to 2x2,dairymaster on their own with 4x0.just one of many reasons not to buy dairymaster

What evidence mj? I had 4x0 and went to 2x2 and I'm thinking of going back to 4 by zero. I have been looking into it and after doing some research on it I've come to the conclusion that 4 by zero mayb better.

frazzledhome

awaywithyou wrote: »

i know of a crowd milking well over 200 cows in a 10 unit... thats some craic i'd say!

Know a guy putting 360 thru a 16

awaywithyou

Viewtodiefor wrote: »

What evidence mj? I had 4x0 and went to 2x2 and I'm thinking of going back to 4 by zero. I have been looking into it and after doing some research on it I've come to the conclusion that 4 by zero mayb better.

what kind of yields your cows doing?

why do you think 4x0 is better than 2x2?

Greengrass1

jaymla627 wrote: »

Cluster dipping here every milking, scc hasn't gone over 120,000 this year and haven't had a single case of mastitis since July 2013 touch wood, it really does work...cluster flush systems are a very expensive way of doing it with the price of peracitic acid

We were dipping fir 5 yrs. Pre spraying and a that
HELL!!
Stopped this yr highesr scc of yr now 150. Few cow's to dry will sort that

Deepsouthwest

Viewtodiefor wrote: »

Yes def true if they are set up correct they will all milk cows. I think 4 by zero pulsation is better for cows than the 2x2,

Sorry can't agree with that, 2x2 is proven to be superior all over the world.

Timmaay

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Really? Is it do able? Ideas

I was up to 14 rows last spring, well doable if your just milking, but with in the middle of breeding season, calving not finished yet, and loads of calves to feed, the thought of 130 going through it is madness, that's 21 rows. I guess it would be physically doable but you would definitely be working solid from 7am until 9pm, if your doing all the milking and feeding. So that's a definite no if you put any value on your quantity of life!

have2flushtwice

I havent milked v many cows, and i find this thread interesting.
One thing that struck me, if im undestanding the process correctly, no matter how u seperate the milk, u still got to carry to the calf house? If u keep the milk in the pit, in a drum container, can u pump it direct to calf house? Saving carrying it up steps.
Also can u have a dedicated line that wil reach all cows that would pump into same container, eliminitating the risk of cluster carrying bacteria?

have2flushtwice

I havent milked v many cows, and i find this thread interesting.
One thing that struck me, if im undestanding the process correctly, no matter how u seperate the milk, u still got to carry to the calf house? If u keep the milk in the pit, in a drum container, can u pump it direct to calf house? Saving carrying it up steps.
Also can u have a dedicated line that wil reach all cows that would pump into same container, eliminitating the risk of cluster carrying bacteria?

Deepsouthwest

have2flushtwice wrote: »

I havent milked v many cows, and i find this thread interesting.
One thing that struck me, if im undestanding the process correctly, no matter how u seperate the milk, u still got to carry to the calf house? If u keep the milk in the pit, in a drum container, can u pump it direct to calf house? Saving carrying it up steps.
Also can u have a dedicated line that wil reach all cows that would pump into same container, eliminitating the risk of cluster carrying bacteria?

Dumpline here pumps straight to the calfhouse. Not sure what mean bout dedicated line, but yes dumpline will reach all cows, but using the same clusters as the dumpline. U could have a spare cluster to use in this case if u wanted, but if u have 5/6 cows (which wouldn't be abnormal in the spring) in the one row that need to be dumped ud be in trouble

frazzledhome

If I was down to the wire on budget I'd go drafting and keep cows seperate The only way to be sure

On pulsation I don't think I makes that much difference. Nearest most reliable dealer more important IMV

have2flushtwice

I havent milked v many cows, and i find this thread interesting.
One thing that struck me, if im undestanding the process correctly, no matter how u seperate the milk, u still got to carry to the calf house? If u keep the milk in the pit, in a drum container, can u pump it direct to calf house? Saving carrying it up steps.
Also can u have a dedicated line that wil reach all cows that would pump into same container, eliminitating the risk of cluster carrying bacteria?

Viewtodiefor

Deepsouthwest wrote: »

Sorry can't agree with that, 2x2 is proven to be superior all over the world.

Afraid your wrong there. Half of the big herds in usa are switching back to 4 x 0

Viewtodiefor

frazzledhome wrote: »

If I was down to the wire on budget I'd go drafting and keep cows seperate The only way to be sure

On pulsation I don't think I makes that much difference. Nearest most reliable dealer more important IMV

Yeah you are right frazzled there is not much difference, the reason I like 4x0 is there is a big rest phase compared to 2x2 which is better for the teat end.

Timmaay

frazzledhome wrote: »

If I was down to the wire on budget I'd go drafting and keep cows seperate The only way to be sure

On pulsation I don't think I makes that much difference. Nearest most reliable dealer more important IMV

I'd say you can either do manual drafting and acrs, or auto/semiauto drafting on a parlour with no acrs? Some basic manual drafting system, be it just a 15ft gate like we have is surely a no brainer irrespective of what else you got in the parlour!

Cow Porter

Viewtodiefor wrote: »

Afraid your wrong there. Half of the big herds in usa are switching back to 4 x 0

Really? Cos Gascoigne and dairymaster are the only two that seem to do them and even at that Gascoigne would rather sell 2x2. Big 3 in milking in usa are boumatic, delaval and gea, I'm afraid dairymaster has a bit to go to conquer that market.

There are several ways of dumping milk, if you want a dump line go with gea or fullwoods solution, separate cluster and pulsator on to a separate milk line, solenoids can fail.

@timmay what spec is the Gascoigne? They have alot of parlours locally due to good dealer. Only thing is that Ireland is about the only place you can buy a branded Gascoigne, everywhere else including the north is boumatic, for some reason they are slow to switch over.

Agree local backup is important but you must have good equipment to start with otherwise hel be in the yard too often

Viewtodiefor

Cow Porter wrote: »

Really? Cos Gascoigne and dairymaster are the only two that seem to do them and even at that Gascoigne would rather sell 2x2. Big 3 in milking in usa are boumatic, delaval and gea, I'm afraid dairymaster has a bit to go to conquer that market.

There are several ways of dumping milk, if you want a dump line go with gea or fullwoods solution, separate cluster and pulsator on to a separate milk line, solenoids can fail.

@timmay what spec is the Gascoigne? They have alot of parlours locally due to good dealer. Only thing is that Ireland is about the only place you can buy a branded Gascoigne, everywhere else including the north is boumatic, for some reason they are slow to switch over.

Agree local backup is important but you must have good equipment to start with otherwise hel be in the yard too often

Yeah cow the 2x2 is being taken out and 4x0 going back in instead of it. It's mad I know but that's what's happening so it can't be too far off the mark.

Timmaay

Cow Porter wrote: »

@timmay what spec is the Gascoigne? They have alot of parlours locally due to good dealer. Only thing is that Ireland is about the only place you can buy a branded Gascoigne, everywhere else including the north is boumatic, for some reason they are slow to switch over.

14units with swingovers, acrs, basic milk indicators and a dumpline, 3200/unit including all the stallwork /mangers.

Cow Porter

Viewtodiefor wrote: »

Yeah cow the 2x2 is being taken out and 4x0 going back in instead of it. It's mad I know but that's what's happening so it can't be too far off the mark.

where did you hear this

Cow Porter

Timmaay wrote: »

14units with swingovers, acrs, basic milk indicators and a dumpline, 3200/unit including all the stallwork /mangers.

feeders?

Timmaay

Cow Porter wrote: »

feeders?

About 4500 for pig feeders, including augers etc, 320/unit, so would bring my previous figure to about 3500 (before any grants) No individual feeding on the pig feeders normally I know, but I can definitely rig up something to solve this!

quader

Whose feeders are you buying timmaay

mahoney_j

Viewtodiefor wrote: »

Afraid your wrong there. Half of the big herds in usa are switching back to 4 x 0

Just checked with brother who works with gea and dose a lot of work in us and oz/new zealand and practocally all instillations there are now 2x2.4x0 is frowned upon and seen as leading to scc issues and damaged teats.I have an article from him somewhere and when i find it ill post it.The fact that practically all other milk machine suppliers in this country bar dairymaster supply 2x2 tells its own story.Outside of this country dairymaster equipement is not well regarded.Its liked here because its cheap and irish.I will agree with frazzeled though no ppoint in having a parlour of any sort if the back up aint good.

Timmaay

Two different makes in around that price, this crowd http://www.donedeal.ie/milkingparlours-for-sale/feeding-system-for-milking-parlor/6494398 , Polish made, I'll admit they didn't seem to have the quantity of other feeders. I've got contact details for one or two other lads supplying crowley feeders who will be a few 100 more, have not got a full quote yet from them, but after seeing them in action the other day I'll probably cough up the few quid extra.

Viewtodiefor

mahoney_j wrote: »

Just checked with brother who works with gea and dose a lot of work in us and oz/new zealand and practocally all instillations there are now 2x2.4x0 is frowned upon and seen as leading to scc issues and damaged teats.I have an article from him somewhere and when i find it ill post it.The fact that practically all other milk machine suppliers in this country bar dairymaster supply 2x2 tells its own story.Outside of this country dairymaster equipement is not well regarded.Its liked here because its cheap and irish.I will agree with frazzeled though no ppoint in having a parlour of any sort if the back up aint good.

That's strange mj as they have a 27% market share in Germany in just six years and wouldn't that be the home of gea?

Viewtodiefor

mahoney_j wrote: »

Just checked with brother who works with gea and dose a lot of work in us and oz/new zealand and practocally all instillations there are now 2x2.4x0 is frowned upon and seen as leading to scc issues and damaged teats.I have an article from him somewhere and when i find it ill post it.The fact that practically all other milk machine suppliers in this country bar dairymaster supply 2x2 tells its own story.Outside of this country dairymaster equipement is not well regarded.Its liked here because its cheap and irish.I will agree with frazzeled though no ppoint in having a parlour of any sort if the back up aint good.

Sure dairymaster do 2x2 pulsation aswell I priced it and its the same price as 4x0!

mahoney_j

Viewtodiefor wrote: »

Sure dairymaster do 2x2 pulsation aswell I priced it and its the same price as 4x0!

When I was pricing 3 years ago ,2x2 was not a runner for them and aside from that too much plastic and very hard to nail them on a price any time I went back price dropped and I bet quality of materials did as well.27% share in Germany where did that figure come from??.was there a few years back and a lot of lely robots,Gea/westfallia and boumatic.never saw or heard of a dairy master.thats not to say there not there though.sure down around dairy masters base its nearly all de laval.

quader

Timmaay wrote: »

Two different makes in around that price, this crowd http://www.donedeal.ie/milkingparlours-for-sale/feeding-system-for-milking-parlor/6494398 , Polish made, I'll admit they didn't seem to have the quantity of other feeders. I've got contact details for one or two other lads supplying crowley feeders who will be a few 100 more, have not got a full quote yet from them, but after seeing them in action the other day I'll probably cough up the few quid extra.

Timmaay I was quoted 5100 for a 12 units ids